Anyone watch "The Cove"

[julieannbabe]

I do not believe for one moment that they do not get treats if they don't co-operate

Im sure dogs and cats were not born to be pets at first either

I think what seaword do is great you can tell that they love and treat them very well

how do you get a dolphin/whale to perform then?

if a cat doesn't want to come home after you let in out it doesn't have to does it?
a cat came to leave with us after it had decided it no longer wanted to live withits original owners.

why does everyone keep missing the most basic point - we are so brainwashed: i do not doubt that seaworld love the whales/dolphins and they treat them well.
BUT dolphins/whales shouldn't be kept in capitivity.

how can people keep missing this point?

 

[Shamurocks]

I would like to make a few points:

No-one can tell how these animals feel, so we cannot speak for them.
Seaworld make people more aware of these animals and educate people about them to some degree or other.
We do worse to animals then try our best to look after them in captivity, we destroy their homes & drive them to extinction.

 

[Shamurocks]

how do you get a dolphin/whale to perform then?

if a cat doesn't want to come home after you let in out it doesn't have to does it?
a cat came to leave with us after it had decided it no longer wanted to live withits original owners.

why does everyone keep missing the most basic point - we are so brainwashed: i do not doubt that seaworld love the whales/dolphins and they treat them well.
BUT dolphins/whales shouldn't be kept in capitivity.

how can people keep missing this point?

They do not deprive the animals of food so they perform.
Keiko kept returning to human after he was "released", he wanted to be with humans.

 

[irisheyes123]

how do you get a dolphin/whale to perform then?

if a cat doesn't want to come home after you let in out it doesn't have to does it?
a cat came to leave with us after it had decided it no longer wanted to live withits original owners.

why does everyone keep missing the most basic point - we are so brainwashed: i do not doubt that seaworld love the whales/dolphins and they treat them well.
BUT dolphins/whales shouldn't be kept in capitivity.

how can people keep missing this point?

But that does not mean they do not get treats plus when a child is potty training they get a treat for going does not mean they are been deprived of them before they start or end I know not everybody does this just trying to make a point

But that is your opinion does not mean that I or other person has to agree
Id be a major hypocrite to think it was wrong as I keep fish in a fish tank and also a turtle in another tank or that I go to the zoo or The animal kingdom ect ect If I thought for one moment that they were mistreated I would not go but I don't think that.

 

[lisa_marie8806]

Livndisney is 100% correct. If someone plans to cancel DiscoveryCove, then please cancel all animal encounters including zoo's and Disney's animal kingdom. If some people are so against these dolphins in captivity then what is the difference of a lion in captivity? If they ever come out with "The Cove" for zoo's then this will all start over with zoo's. People need to learn to pick out the false information.

But let's not be a hypocrite and patroinze public zoo's if you cannot attend Discovery Cove.

 

[julieannbabe]

They do not deprive the animals of food so they perform.
Keiko kept returning to human after he was "released", he wanted to be with humans.

you are joking about the food thing right? i can't believe what i am reading here.
the whales/dolphins are conditioned with a whistle and a bucket of fish. Are you telling me that you have never noticed that when dolphins/whales do a trick or perform correctly the whistle gets blown then they get given food?

if you have noticed this then you would have noticed that they get fed AFTER they have performed jumping through hoops etc, why do you think this is? Answer: They are performing in order to get fed NOT because they want to.

Do you honestly believe that a whale/dolphin would perform on a full stomach?

if they don't do the trick correctly do you think the whistle gets blown and they still get given the fish?
if you are not sure i will answer for you: No they don't get their 'treat'.

if the whales/dolphins got fed regardless if they performed correctly or not there would be no incentive for them to perform would there?

its called 'Conditioning' the whales/dolphins not 'education' as marine parks will have us believe.

another thing i last went to seaworld in 2006 and i saw the holding pens the whales are kept in. i couldn't believe how tiny there were. Terrible.

 

[livndisney]

But that does not mean they do not get treats plus when a child is potty training they get a treat for going does not mean they are been deprived of them before they start or end I know not everybody does this just trying to make a point

But that is your opinion does not mean that I or other person has to agree
Id be a major hypocrite to think it was wrong as I keep fish in a fish tank and also a turtle in another tank or that I go to the zoo or The animal kingdom ect ect If I thought for one moment that they were mistreated I would not go but I don't think that.

you are joking about the food thing right? i can't believe what i am reading here.
the whales/dolphins are conditioned with a whistle and a bucket of fish. Are you telling me that you have never noticed that when dolphins/whales do a trick or perform correctly the whistle gets blown then they get given food?

if you have noticed this then you would have noticed that they get fed AFTER they have performed jumping through hoops etc, why do you think this is? Answer: They are performing in order to get fed NOT because they want to.

if they don't do the trick correctly do you think the whistle gets blown and they still get given the fish?
if you are not sure i will answer for you: No they don't get their 'treat'.

if the whales/dolphins got fed regardless if they performed correctly or not there would be no incentive for them to perform would there?

its called 'Conditioning' the whales/dolphins not 'education' as marine parks will have us believe.

another thing i last went to seaworld in 2006 and i saw the holding pens the whales are kept in. i couldn't believe how tiny there were. Terrible.

You have not been to Seaworld in 4 years and you claim to speak with actual knowledge?

Even though you have yet to answer any of the questions I have posed, I will ask another. Aside from some unfounded comments on a Disney message board what are you doing to better the lives of these animals you claim to care so much about? Are you funding their rescues? Are you feeding them? Are you providing medical care for the ones injured in the wild? What are you doing?

 

[LockShockBarrel]

Short of being an employee, not a friend of one, or a friend of a sister whose cousin worked at SeaWorld in 1993 for the summer, no one REALLY knows what's going on behind the scenes at SeaWorld.

To those of you who are advocating cancelling trips to SW and DC, do you listen to everything everyone tells you? If I told you that you should start eating paper because some documentary showed the benefits of it and because I saw that documentary I know everything there is to know about the subject so you should listen to me, would you? It's not fair of you all to try to guilt others into doing what you think is right.

 

[chiamarie]

no it isn't the 'japanese' doing this - it is 26 fisherman.

Ric O'barry isn't a liar. he freely admits that he feels responsible for the fact that we 'loving dolphins to death' now.

Ric O'barry is a liar. Watch the videos I posted. When he is asked by Operha something along the lines of "Do theme parks in the US get their dolphins from these drives?" and he says "yes". Last time I checked; none one single dolphin house at any of the SeaWorlds came from Japan. Not ONE. In fact, you won't find a single dolphin that came from there. The fact that Ric O'Barry's " simple soloution" to these Drive Fisheries is by avoiding any place that houses dolphins. Is another lie. The fisherman don't do it to make a profit by selling them. They do it becasue they view the dolphins as pests.

If you're trying to solve the problem of drive fisheries, avoiding Seaworld isn't going to do anything to help the situation. They are just as against it (yes, in the past, they caputured animals, now a days that doesn't happen) as you and I are. If you are anti captivity, then that is a different argument. (to which, I won't waste my time with becasue it'd be pointless).

 

[phamton]

Since this is a discussion of a movie, I am moving this to the Community Board.

 

[woodkins]

Ric O'barry is a liar. Watch the videos I posted. When he is asked by Operha something along the lines of "Do theme parks in the US get their dolphins from these drives?" and he says "yes". Last time I checked; none one single dolphin house at any of the SeaWorlds came from Japan. Not ONE. In fact, you won't find a single dolphin that came from there. The fact that Ric O'Barry's " simple soloution" to these Drive Fisheries is by avoiding any place that houses dolphins. Is another lie. The fisherman don't do it to make a profit by selling them. They do it becasue they view the dolphins as pests.

If you're trying to solve the problem of drive fisheries, avoiding Seaworld isn't going to do anything to help the situation. They are just as against it (yes, in the past, they caputured animals, now a days that doesn't happen) as you and I are. If you are anti captivity, then that is a different argument. (to which, I won't waste my time with becasue it'd be pointless).

I disagree with the facts in pink. The fishermen ARE making a profit by selling them, especially at the $100K+ per dolphin pricetag. If they were simply doing it for "pest control" then they would not sell any of the dolphins at all. The Japanese government was providing literature saying that they should do so for pest control etc. The govt makes a lot of money off of whaling and dolphin slaughtering. They now label their whaling ships with Research tags and say that they are collecting tissue samples etc, however they are selling the dolphin and whale meat for hundreds of thousands of dollars. It is horrific what they are doing to the dolphins and the manner in which it is happening. If they thought what they were doing was okay and proper then why the secrecy, hidden cove etc? The fact that the Japanese governement is also essentially buying the votes of smaller, nearly destitute Caribbean nations to support their position on whaling laws and restrictions is also telling.
Just because whaling/dolphin hunting and killing is a tradition in the Japanese culture doesn't make it true or right. There are plenty of "cultural traditions" in American which thankfully no longer exist because people wised up and realized they were immoral and unconscionable.

 

[mikehn]

I was pretty disturbed with the cove as well. However, there's always multiple sides to a story. So I'll do my due diligence before passing judgment.

 

[ChicagoFitnessClub]

You have not been to Seaworld in 4 years and you claim to speak with actual knowledge?

Even though you have yet to answer any of the questions I have posed, I will ask another. Aside from some unfounded comments on a Disney message board what are you doing to better the lives of these animals you claim to care so much about? Are you funding their rescues? Are you feeding them? Are you providing medical care for the ones injured in the wild? What are you doing?

You must be an owner of Seaworld? Otherwise I don't understand why you're being so confrontational.

 

[BLTLDZ]

Livndisney is 100% correct. If someone plans to cancel DiscoveryCove, then please cancel all animal encounters including zoo's and Disney's animal kingdom. If some people are so against these dolphins in captivity then what is the difference of a lion in captivity? If they ever come out with "The Cove" for zoo's then this will all start over with zoo's. People need to learn to pick out the false information.

But let's not be a hypocrite and patroinze public zoo's if you cannot attend Discovery Cove.

First off. my cancelling is also because I have a FEAR of swimming with the dolphins..I posted this on a seperate thread.... AFTER watching some of "The cove", which is all about DOLPHINS, I was very affected, and it helped my decision along. I am not an animal rights activist, nor do I pretend to be.

 

[ChicagoFitnessClub]

First off. my cancelling is also because I have a FEAR of swimming with the dolphins..I posted this on a seperate thread.... AFTER watching some of "The cove", which is all about DOLPHINS, I was very affected, and it helped my decision along. I am not an animal rights activist, nor do I pretend to be.

Totally agree BLT. Just because you love dolphins and feel they are being mistreated, you don't have to suddenly boycott seeing ALL animals in captivity. Some people really take things to the extreme just to try justify their point of view. Amazing.

 

[charming23]

you are joking about the food thing right? i can't believe what i am reading here.
the whales/dolphins are conditioned with a whistle and a bucket of fish. Are you telling me that you have never noticed that when dolphins/whales do a trick or perform correctly the whistle gets blown then they get given food?

if you have noticed this then you would have noticed that they get fed AFTER they have performed jumping through hoops etc, why do you think this is? Answer: They are performing in order to get fed NOT because they want to.

Do you honestly believe that a whale/dolphin would perform on a full stomach?

if they don't do the trick correctly do you think the whistle gets blown and they still get given the fish?
if you are not sure i will answer for you: No they don't get their 'treat'.

if the whales/dolphins got fed regardless if they performed correctly or not there would be no incentive for them to perform would there?

its called 'Conditioning' the whales/dolphins not 'education' as marine parks will have us believe.

another thing i last went to seaworld in 2006 and i saw the holding pens the whales are kept in. i couldn't believe how tiny there were. Terrible.

So I take from your response that you think they only get fed when they perform? WOW you could not be more wrong. At Sea World and many other places that house dolphins and whales they are fed everyday regardless of if they "perform" or not.

Now I have not seen "The Cove" nor do I want to. I agree with other posters that it was filmed by someone who had an agenda. I have been a fan of Sea World since I was very young (used to go to the one in Ohio multiple times a summer until they closed). I learned more about marine animals than I would have any place else and until a few years ago I wanted to be a marine biologist. I applaud Sea World for all of the work that they do because without them where would a lot of wildlife be.

 

[ILoveMyGirls]

You can't possibly make educated/informed comments about "The Cove" unless you have watched it. I initially asked if anyone had watched "The Cove" and now several who have not watched it are making comments when they have not taken the time to watch it. Comments that are not substantiated with facts behind them are empty comments. If you want to have an intelligent dialogue about this movie in relation to Dolphins in and out of captivity, please watch "The Cove" so that you will have something to base your comments on.

One of the things they show in "The Cove" is a behind the scene shot of trainers/care takers giving the dolphins antacids as the dolphins have ulcers due to the stress from performing. Since the animals are so stressed out and becoming ill from performing, why force them to perform? This is only one question that needs to be asked and analyzed as it was brought up in the movie.

I was a SeaWorld last year and have been there other times too. It has always been my belief that captivity of whales and dolphins was not good. Although some of what "The Cove" conveys may or may not be flawed depending on who one listens to, the fact still remains that these very large, intelligent animals should not be taken out of their habitat just for performance purposes.

If SeaWorld were open to the public just to show how they, meaning SeaWorld, rescue and help dolphins, if that was their only agenda, then that would be fine, but turning them in to show animals is not acceptable.

I really wish that those who have not seen it would take their head out of the sand and hold their opinions until after they watch the movie. At that time we could have intelligent debate about the truths and untruths of "The Cove".

At this time in my life, since I watched "The Cove" whether or not anyone agrees with me or not my beliefs are:

1. Animals should not be held in captivity;
2. Animals should not be held in cages, behind glass, in water, etc. explicitely to perform for us;
3. I made a huge mistake by buying tickets for Discovry Cove.

I am not putting this out here to be argumentative, these are my feelings on the topic and it is not just based on the movie "The Cove". The movie "The Cove" brought many issues to the table to be thought about thus giving me additional information to move forward in ways that I find productive for myself and my family and the safety of animals. Given this, I would rather protect these animals than continue to support organizations that have their own agendas. I've read over and over again that the man behind the making of "The Cove" has his own agenda, of course he and and to those who are blind to what is going on SeaWorld, SeaWorld has its own agenda too and it is not always in the best interest of any of the animals they have held or are currently holding in captivity for the sake of entertainment.

So I take from your response that you think they only get fed when they perform? WOW you could not be more wrong. At Sea World and many other places that house dolphins and whales they are fed everyday regardless of if they "perform" or not.

Now I have not seen "The Cove" nor do I want to. I agree with other posters that it was filmed by someone who had an agenda. I have been a fan of Sea World since I was very young (used to go to the one in Ohio multiple times a summer until they closed). I learned more about marine animals than I would have any place else and until a few years ago I wanted to be a marine biologist. I applaud Sea World for all of the work that they do because without them where would a lot of wildlife be.

 

[irisheyes123]

Totally agree BLT. Just because you love dolphins and feel they are being mistreated, you don't have to suddenly boycott seeing ALL animals in captivity. Some people really take things to the extreme just to try justify their point of view. Amazing.

But the point is that they have no proof that they are been mistreated I myself find it hypocritical that they boycott the likes of seaworld and not any other animal that is held in captivity but that is my opinion does not mean anyone has to agree with me.

 

[irisheyes123]

1. Animals should not be held in captivity;
2. Animals should not be held in cages, behind glass, in water, etc. explicitely to perform for us;
3. I made a huge mistake by buying tickets for Discovry Cove.

But you are still going for your swim with the dolphins this weekend I know if I felt that strongly losing the money would be the last thing on my mind I just don't get it.

 

[ChicagoFitnessClub]

But the point is that they have no proof that they are been mistreated I myself find it hypocritical that they boycott the likes of seaworld and not any other animal that is held in captivity but that is my opinion does not mean anyone has to agree with me.

Well let me ask you this: Where do you think Seaworld procures their dolphins?