Anyone NOT Going To Renew AP

Sammie said:
We bought our Annual Passes always for unlimited park admission so we will continue to buy them for the same reasons.

I just renewed ours for the same reason. DH and DD were renewed for PAP again and since I only went to disney quest one time last year and don't care for water parks "DH and DD could live in TL or BB" I got FL AP.
 
First of all, let me state that I realize that a room discount is not always part of the plan and Disney can and will change things at any time. However, I bought the AP because we were taking an 11 day trip and could get DDE in Feb.and hopefully with one of those great discounts the Disers are always talking about. I watched the Dis and sure enough we got BCV 1 bdrm for $270. (awesome, right!!) Now we are back at home and thinking wouldn't it be neat to take another trip since we have the passes. So we book for Dec.( never have taken a second trip) on AAA. Watch BRP and only $5.00 cheaper. Yet we see so many package discounts, it's almost like WDW wants to be an all-inclusive resort like Beaches. That is fine. I love Disney and DH and I will take DD back but we may just do a package and that will mean 1 trip in the future. Everyone still needs to find out financially what is best for their family. :flower:
 
buzzgirls&dad said:
First of all, let me state that I realize that a room discount is not always part of the plan and Disney can and will change things at any time. However, I bought the AP because we were taking an 11 day trip and could get DDE in Feb.and hopefully with one of those great discounts the Disers are always talking about. I watched the Dis and sure enough we got BCV 1 bdrm for $270. (awesome, right!!) Now we are back at home and thinking wouldn't it be neat to take another trip since we have the passes. So we book for Dec.( never have taken a second trip) on AAA. Watch BRP and only $5.00 cheaper. Yet we see so many package discounts, it's almost like WDW wants to be an all-inclusive resort like Beaches. That is fine. I love Disney and DH and I will take DD back but we may just do a package and that will mean 1 trip in the future. Everyone still needs to find out financially what is best for their family. :flower:

This is exactly our situation, I can get an AP rate no problem but the AAA is better for our Dec. trip and of course the cancellation policy. I will buy 5 more AP's if I can't do better with a package. I am just gunna wait it out and see, no renewal for us.
 

We aren't renewing this year because we found a better deal w/ the package with meals & our group discount for our July trip.--it just worked out better in our budget not to renew. It doesn't mean that we won't buy APs in the future, just not on 11/25 when our APs expire.
 
I havent decided yet. I knew we will be getting 3 trips out of them. For april 2005 I got a nice ap discount on our poly room, now for nov. 2005 dh has a conference at the swan so really the room is paid for by them and then I got the mousefest rate for the rest of the trip. Now next april 2006 I havent made any plans yet, probably poly or swan again as usual. We bought the dde card too. I am getting more of a value from the days in the parks versus any room discounts lately. We have 5 aps, but since oldest ds is going to college and wont be on our schedule I probably wont renew his if we do decided to renew them. It will be cheaper just to buy him some other ticket if he decides to ever go with us again.
 
I have a FL resident seasonal pass so my situation is somewhat different than most of yours.

Absolutely loathe the new BRP because I rarely plan out my trips 60 days in advance. It's usually a few weeks or a month in advance and I can be flexible. The current policy allows me to take advantage of FL resident rates. Usually. If it's available.

For the trip 12/4-12/11 I was able to get BRP at the BC months ago from 12/4-8(advance planning being the exception for me) but could get no discount whatsoever on my Poly stay from 12/8-11.
No BRP, No FL resident, No AAA. Paying rack rate. Ouch. But yea, I'm still going and maybe that's what Disney is counting on. If this wasn't a dream trip (friend had her heart set on the Poly), I WOULD NOT have booked at the Poly for our second leg. I'd stay at the BC for the $224 BRP for the entire stay.

I am so hoping they change this BRP 60 days out policy. Maybe it will be reflected in more people not renewing their APs and therefore not spending as much time (aka MONEY) at wdw.

Does anyone know if the APs are a money losing or winning proposition for Disney?

Donna
 
ok, the way I feel is if they want to do a min of number of days out. I think most people would feel comfortable with a 30 day out bookiing period. as for the deposit. I have no problem with paying at time of ressies being made.BUT make it so if you need to change resorts or change dates, you do not lose your money! I think this is somewhat do-able for most people.

but I miss the "waits" for when AP rates come out!! It is kind of like christms morning!!
 
CharlesTD said:
If you bought your AP for room discounts then you purchased it for the wrog reason it is a perk to the pass not a given and Disney can change it as they see fit. When buying an AP you buy it for the unlimited park admission not for the resort discounts.

Well, I suppose, but the same could be said for AAA. I became a member of AAA in the first place to have some peace of mind on the road, but the extra perks made me choose them instead of another protection plan. If AAA started taking away their dining discounts, their resort/motel discounts, I would start to rethink my purchase.

I'm not picking on you personally, I just find it odd that so many people criticize posters who say they figured resort discounts into their decision to purchase AP's. Every purchase we make, we look at every angle to find how it will fit our lifestyle, our needs, etc. Just because you purchase AP's for all of the advertised benefits (and they are advertised) doesn't make you less of a loyal Disney traveller.

Since the change to AP resort discounts, it may make more sense for my family to discontinue buying AP's and purchase MYW tickets or pkgs. I don't think that makes me wrong or cheap, just a good consumer. :wave2:
 
k&a&c'smom said:
Well, I suppose, but the same could be said for AAA. I became a member of AAA in the first place to have some peace of mind on the road, but the extra perks made me choose them instead of another protection plan. If AAA started taking away their dining discounts, their resort/motel discounts, I would start to rethink my purchase.

I'm not picking on you personally, I just find it odd that so many people criticize posters who say they figured resort discounts into their decision to purchase AP's. Every purchase we make, we look at every angle to find how it will fit our lifestyle, our needs, etc. Just because you purchase AP's for all of the advertised benefits (and they are advertised) doesn't make you less of a loyal Disney traveller.

Since the change to AP resort discounts, it may make more sense for my family to discontinue buying AP's and purchase MYW tickets or pkgs. I don't think that makes me wrong or cheap, just a good consumer. :wave2:

I totally agree! Very well stated!
 
I am sick and tired of dealing with Disney and booking rooms. I'm a florida resident seasonal passholder... how many florida residents do you know make plans 2 months in advance? besides maybe christmas or something.
I still get florida resident discount and AAA discount, but I know they aren't as good as Passholder.

One time I got really ticked off over the phone and reammed a poor disney employee out over the whole booking online thing. I hate doing things online that can't be done by my paypal account. Not every one in the universe has internet access at home, as to why there are libraries and kinkos. And I don't like using my credit cards on public access PCs.

Our passes haven't given us much more than 15 days in the parks, discount on TL, and I'm using the pass to give my aunt a discount on a car rental, and the one time I bought something at world of disney I saved about 5$. And of course every year the prices go up.
And since we were cheap, we used to buy play 4 passes in the summer (all four parks, park hopping) and then in october before they expired we'd upgrade for 80$ to our seasonals. That way we didn't have to go broke just to buy the passes. Now they got these crappy play 3 passes that don't like you park hop.

Disney is becoming money hungry from the ones that give them the most money, Florida residents, and this is the way they treat us.
 
As for next year, I'll just wait till Kari gets a job there and can get us in for free and no booking 60 days out for a room.
Even when we live in orlando, we still want to stay on property just so we can have fun. We like spending holidays and birthdays there.
Plus who wouldn't want to get out of thier house for a couple of nights for the heck of it.
 
SandrA9810 said:
I am sick and tired of dealing with Disney and booking rooms. I'm a florida resident seasonal passholder... how many florida residents do you know make plans 2 months in advance? besides maybe christmas or something.
I still get florida resident discount and AAA discount, but I know they aren't as good as Passholder.

One time I got really ticked off over the phone and reammed a poor disney employee out over the whole booking online thing. I hate doing things online that can't be done by my paypal account. Not every one in the universe has internet access at home, as to why there are libraries and kinkos. And I don't like using my credit cards on public access PCs.

Our passes haven't given us much more than 15 days in the parks, discount on TL, and I'm using the pass to give my aunt a discount on a car rental, and the one time I bought something at world of disney I saved about 5$. And of course every year the prices go up.
And since we were cheap, we used to buy play 4 passes in the summer (all four parks, park hopping) and then in october before they expired we'd upgrade for 80$ to our seasonals. That way we didn't have to go broke just to buy the passes. Now they got these crappy play 3 passes that don't like you park hop.

Disney is becoming money hungry from the ones that give them the most money, Florida residents, and this is the way they treat us.

You can add park hopping to the 3 day play passes for FL residents. It's approx. $164 per person versus approx. $128 for the non-hopper. It's the same price that a non FL resident would pay for 2 days, so theoretically giving FL residents one day "free."

For about $222.00 you can purchase the FL seasonal passes that you have now. For about $100.00 more you can get the AP without block out dates...a huge price cut from the cost of an AP for non-FL residents.

This is going to seem harsh, and I apologize, but based on these examples I don't see where Disney is cheating you. They are offering significant discounts for FL resident tickets and it seems that with at least 15 days of admission, you have received a great value for the price you paid (I would estimate a cost of $222.00/15 visits= $15 per day.)

As far as FL residents spending more money than non residents on WDW trips, well that's been debated here numerous times and only Disney knows whether that is true or not. Disney is entitled to increase prices every year, just as most businesses do. It's called inflation. You expect a pay raise every year, right? Similar concept, IMO.

From what I've seen, the AP rate is usually no more than $5 less than the FL rate, so it's up to you to decide if It's worth an extra $5 per night to have the ability to cntinue booking last minute over the phone. Or you have the choice of getting the $5 less per night by using the internet or calling between 2-5 60 days or more out to book the AP rate. Obviously there are many who prefer the internet for booking, which is why Disney created the BRP based on feedback from guests. You just happen to be one who does not, hence the reason they allow you to get the rate by calling in.

As far as being a FL resident and planning 2 months or more inadvance, I don't see the problem with that. I know not everyone is in the same situation, but most people are required to schedule vacations in advance. My job allows you to "bid" for vacations in January, but you can still request them the week before, however it may not be approved if there are people who "bid" in January for those dates. Especially holiday weeks. My sister is a school teacher, so she knows well in advance when her vacations will be. Yes, it's nice to be spontaneous and plan a Disney trip a week before or a day before for that matter, but chances of getting a discount that late in the game are always slimmer than securing one months in advance. I know there are exceptions (August, September, etc.) but with all of the special events held at Disney and sporting events now scattered throughout the year, it's becoming less likely. Not to mention all of the other FL residents who are also thinking the same way and wanting a last minute weekend stay...it's just becoming more and more "competitive" if you will.

I know that this post has rambled on quite a bit and I'm really not trying to criticize here, just trying to explain it from a different perspective rather than using the "glass half empty Disney is out to get me" attitude. Trying to highlight some of the positive benefits of being a FL resident here. Only you can decide what is best for your family and whenther there is value in what Disney offers us residents.
 
I will not be renewing; bought my first and most likely only annual pass early this year because of the AP room only discount; now that it's the BRP which is a very restrictive program, I won't be renewing. Disappointed in the decrease of AP benefits. It was worth it for me this past year as the room only savings in one trip made it worth purchasing an AP. Not anymore ... too bad.
 
I won't be renewing. But more importantly if the plan doesn't shift I won't be purchasing an AP again unless I will be spending substantially more than 10 days in the parks. The 10 day MYW pass goes a long way towards eliminating the advantages of the AP for me. What was left was the fact that I am a DVC member and get a solid discount on them combined with the old AP room discount program.

I choose to buy an AP when I know I'll spend at least 7 (and now 10) days in the parks over the course of a year AND I get a discount on a room OR (in the case of this year) I plan to eat out a lot...the DDE was helpful with that. Generally I wound up spending more days than originally planned in Orlando so Disney got extra money from both from weekend rooms (I pay cash for Fri or Sat night) and food and other stuff. For now I'll go back to my pattern of buying the biggest ticket I can (10 days with everything) and sticking to whatever my plan is for using it. The problem for Disney with my plans is that I will spend a day in a waterpark or a day in Disney Quest and spend very little.

I suspect Disney will decrease the Best Rate Plan to 30 days.
 
#1hockeymom said:
I totally agree! Very well stated!
I second your agreement..(is that even a proper way to use that word?
I renued my ap for two years after I became a TA just for the 'perks'. I do view it the same way I view my AAA membership...contingent upon the EXTRA value it offers me and my family!

Debbie J
 
Disney hits us in the wallet in more ways than just buying the passes, and since they require a large amount at one time, it makes it harder on us.
As for days off, I don't hold a full time job, and the schedule is random so I can just tell my boss, hey I need these days off. For Kari, she usually doesn't do more than 2 days a week, so she still has a full week. But she'll request opening friday (6am to 3pm), off sat and sun, which is one work week, and then monday of the next work week. Then closing on tuesday. At she can put in a request until the schedule is made, they keep a thing with the upcoming weeks, and as they make the schedule they highlight the weeks.

We're horrible at saving, if it's in the account it gets spent, whether on gas or on food. So being able to buy play 4 passes in the summer (during normal block-out times for seasonal), then being able to save up the rest to upgrade a couple months later. We're in that predicament right now. We're thinking about getting play three passes to go during christmas time because kari's vacation doesn't start till the black-out times. and we don't have the 400$ to renew our passes. Let alone 600$ for regular annual passes.
Now the other areas hit, is keeping our dog in the kennel, usually 18$ for our stays. And then buying food. We do every alternative to being cheap, from always sharing our food, or buying two kids meals and splitting them, buying a side of fries to fill in that empty spot, making a small salad out of the toppings bar, and using as much cheese as possible on the fries at cosmic rays, one of the few places that actually offer free cheese for fries. (I really love cheesy fries). We try to save buy bringing in our own 2 liter bottles of soda and getting a cup of ice, and bringing snacks for line waiting. Kari loves getting a packet of ranch dressing and dipping them in cheez its. And now I've caught onto the pin trading thing, and since there is usually one holiday every month, I try to get at least one holiday pin. I avoid the generic pins even though there are at least a 100 that I want. We stay away from suvies because we shop at the local character premier that has everything on sale practically. Like I want to get the mickey doggie bed because at the CP it's only 13.50 (half price), and they still sell it full price in the parks. And then there's the popcorn vendors with the wonderful buttery smell that just draws you to it without even realizing it. And in the hot summer days the coldness of those yummy ice cream bars. (I guess that's why they have them there, and they do work, but not for the wallet).
Disney probably has a good month of our earnings. Which probably isn't a good thing since we are in debt, but it's hard to resist the break from life.

And as far as the hope to get a raise every year, 5 cents doesnt go a long way. And if Kari didn't transfer departments and get a raise that way, her whopping annual raise of 30 cents wouldn't have gone very far. And I know about inflation but the price of breathing is more than what companies want to dole out. Even at Kari's second job, they don't want to schedule her because she's been with the company for two years and makes more than any other employee, still lower than management. Which takes away from profits. And this years goal for the store is 1.2 mil. How fair is it to hire people at min (6.15) and profit that much money?? Plus people always come and go, so there isnt much of a worry for giving out that yearly raise. I came back after a year, and they wouldn't hire me at what I left the company, which was 50 cents more.
 
I will not be renewing my AP. Disney made that decision for me when they changed their AP log in page a few weeks ago and since then, I have not been able to log on. :confused3

Tink
 
I'm not sure when my next trip will be, so I won't be deciding for sure until then, but unless they change the whole Best Rate thing, it's pretty unlikely that I'll renew.
 












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