Anyone else disappointed in Elem. school?

New Jersey doesn't have school choice, unless your individual school is failing and then you can ask to move to a different school withing the district (per the no child left behind act). Most of our schools are township districts or sometimes regional, compared to many states where they have County-based schools. Most towns have only one high school, or two at the most. Ours happens to have 3, but that's because we have rather dense housing. We have 8+ elementary schools, and some are better than others, but you're stuck with the one you're districted for.

I wasn't thrilled with our elementary school. The classes were large, 23+, the administration didn't handle issues fairly IMO, and DS's teacher seemed to have mentally "checked out." The facilites are old, there aren't many computers. The parents are very involved, and the kids are ok. There are some bullies. Pretty typical, I guess.
 
We bought this house because it was in a beautiful neighborhood...park right across the street...pool down the street...and we could see the grade school and junior high on the other side of the park. Both schools were so good many people in our town were trying to choice their children into them. We were on :cloud9:. And then...

The school district moved the moderate needs program for this area of the school district to our school. All children in our area with a diagnosis of "emotionally and behaviorally disturbed" were moved to our school...without extra funding...without extra teachers...without training for the current staff. The principal told us this himself during a meeting. And once this program had been there for a couple of years the chaos began...

Last year there was feces smearing in one of the bathrooms on several occasions, 6th graders went around the school and urinated in all of the lunch box totes, the slide was set on fire, the school windows were shot out w/ a bb gun, a 2nd grader brought a knife to school (but was not suspended because it was under a 2" blade), and the list goes on and on and on...

My daughter's class had 2 boys who were on labeled "habitually disruptive". And that they were. I was in that class every week helping and I saw how this wonderful teacher was overwhelmed dealing with both of them and how all of the rest of the children were falling by the wayside. Our dd came home every day with stories of who got hurt, who was physically carried from class during a tantrum, etc. Several of the students in her class had been injured by these boys. The environment was creating an extreme amount of stress.

When we spoke to the principal we asked what was more important - the rights of these children with behavioral issues or the education of all the rest of the students. And we were told he had no choice - he had to go w/ the moderate needs students' rights to an education. Which I AGREE they should have - but in an environment where all children are safe and the staff has the ability to deal with them.

We pulled our kids out of the school (remember we can see it from our house!) and now drive across town to a charter school. Not ONCE this year has our daughter come home and told us about something horrible happening at school. When we ask how her day was she now says, "Great!".

My point is all schools are not created equal. Is the new school perfect? Of course not. But it is 110% better than where we were last year. And my kids deserve the best I can find for them.
 
Is anyone, especially those in the northeast, concerned about increased competition? From what I hear, there are some districts in my area where the parents push their kids very hard. They go for extra tutoring, even in the summer. I have heard rumors of doing test prep for the gifted/talented tests given by the schools. And a teacher friend has mentioned kids placed inappropriately into her gifted & AP classes (HS level) because the parents insisted on it.

We are not in a district like that but have considered moving. I'm really afraid my kids will not do well.

There is no school choice and only one good charter school in the area and it's only for one district (not one we can afford to live in).
 
I was so very dissapointed by our public school and ended up pulling my children 2 years ago from public school system and am very pleased with the private school they are attending.

My son has ADHD, PDD, and Tourettes...so you can imagine what a joy/blessing/adventure it is to get that monkey through the school day!!! :)

I realize that by 7th grade he will no longer be able to cope in the traditional school setting and am hoping to enroll him in an online charter school. His teacher will be online and I will be a supplement to the education process. I have found them to be equal and sometimes even much less than the tuition I am paying now. Maybe this is an alternative to homeschooling for the OP! (just research enough to know which ones are accredited)

Good luck with what ever choice you choose!

~Melissa
 

IMHO ~ the examples you gave reveal more of poor parenting choices rather than poor education choices.

I totally agree and for the record, my examples were meant to be examples as to why I made the choice I did in this area and in our community. Have we had some issues at private school? Of course, you will have issues anywhere you go (school, work, home).. you have to choose the place that best suits your needs. I dont stand above everyone who chooses other options. I do though stand up to someone who thinks that my choice should match theirs. Parenting is so hard, if we would all support instead of slander, we could help each other out. I hesitate to refer to "poor parenting" when I referenced these children because who am I to judge. But, these parents pushed their choices down our throats and would not look at any of their kids behavioral problems (they knew more about sex than I did as a teenager but yet they were being guarded against these things?) I would just smile when they would talk "above" me as I do with any choice I make. If I was in a good school district, my child would be in public school. Oh, and we were "catered" to by the wealthier people in town until it was clear we would not do public school. We were then shunned (thank goodness:lmao: ). I am not from where I live and the culture here is (well, lets just say different than what I was used to).

I think that at some point in any education choice we are all going to find disappointment. There isn't a choice that is going to be perfect, and we have to make a choice based on what is available to us and what will best maintain those aspects that we deem important. I think we can all agree that we want our children to learn, succeed, and enjoy school. Now if only we could agree on the specifics. ;)[/QUOTE]



Agreed but please don's be so quick to judge my post! My dd has friends of all backgrounds who attend public, private and homeschooling. I want her to be open in her decisions about her own children. I will support whatever they may be.:hippie:
 
My son is still a couple years away from elementary school, but I LOVED the school I taught at so much that we bought a house in the district.

As a teacher, my advice to those of you who are not happy is:

  • analyze why you are dissatisfied: are your concerns legit or are they personal. If they are legit proceed with the following...
  • make a list of all of your concerns
  • there is safety in #s and your best bet is to rally the troops...get other parents involved
  • don't just complain (to other parents or online), but speak in a diplomatic and professional way to those who matter (teachers, principal, supt.)
  • address your concerns with who they directly relate to first. i.e. if it is the teacher then speak to the teacher 1st and not a higher up. Try to find solutions and document your attempts.
  • If you do not have success with that then take it to the next level. If your concerns are strong and you feel the school is doing a disservice to its children I would contact the newspaper/state department of ed/etc and draw attention to your concerns ONLY AFTER having tried to resolve it with all the powers that be within the school district
  • Look into school choice. Many districts offer this.
  • Take ownership and responsibility for your child's education. Advocate for them and work with them at home on how they can take responsibility for their education. Be sure the problem is with the school and not your child. I have had parents in the past claim that their child is bored when the truth was that they were not taking advantage of all the opportunities within the classroom. Granted there are plenty of classrooms where the children are legitimately bored and that is very sad, but it is not always the case so be sure you and your child are doing your part as well.

Lots of luck to you! I'm sorry you are in this situation.
 
I was so very dissapointed by our public school and ended up pulling my children 2 years ago from public school system and am very pleased with the private school they are attending.

My son has ADHD, PDD, and Tourettes...so you can imagine what a joy/blessing/adventure it is to get that monkey through the school day!!! :)

I realize that by 7th grade he will no longer be able to cope in the traditional school setting and am hoping to enroll him in an online charter school. His teacher will be online and I will be a supplement to the education process. I have found them to be equal and sometimes even much less than the tuition I am paying now. Maybe this is an alternative to homeschooling for the OP! (just research enough to know which ones are accredited)

Good luck with what ever choice you choose!

~Melissa

I pulled my ADHD son out of the 7th grade last week.. We really tried to work with the school for the last 3 years..It just wasn't working and he was really sinking deeply.. He's very bright he just has serious issues with learning in a school environment
 
It is so ironic as I was reading your post..I just told my friend the same things about my 7 year old daughter..I am at a loss myself. Private school is not an option financially and I was unsure about the whole homeschooling idea and aside from the fact my husband was totally against it. I looked into buying school curriculums and doing extra work with her at home...Sort of my own part time homeschool idea and it is working. I know that the Saxon math program was great for her. Good Luck I feel your anxiety..:headache:
 
I dont think I put anyone down in my post. I am an advocate of everyone doing what is best for their child. We choose private school no matter what the cost but there are negatives there also, just not as many as other options that "WE" as parents have.

LOL, you post that people should be supportive, but make sure you stick it to the homeschoolers you don't approve of.

It would be like me saying we should all support the decisions people make for their own families (which I believe) and then add a laundry list of all of the issues in the public and private schools.

Omma, what a sad situation! Our PS Behavioral programs are in a separate environment with teachers and aides, aplenty. I can't imagine the mess in your school (former).
 
LOL, you post that people should be supportive, but make sure you stick it to the homeschoolers you don't approve of.

It would be like me saying we should all support the decisions people make for their own families (which I believe) and then add a laundry list of all of the issues in the public and private schools.

Omma, what a sad situation! Our PS Behavioral programs are in a separate environment with teachers and aides, aplenty. I can't imagine the mess in your school (former).


:confused3 Wow, you must have some personal issues with this topic. One of my very best friend's is a homeschooling mom and her dd is one of my dds best friends. I respect her very much. I did not "stick it" to anyone.:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Sounds like you have issues with the PS system where you live, does that mean all of them? I would hope not. WE SHOULD SUPPORT EACH OTHERS DECISIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I have serious issues with the public school system. Notice I say the public school system and not just the individual school—or teacher—that my child has. I believe the problem is a major one. I think that good teachers, who are, unfortunately, few and far between (but are out there!), can and do make up for some of the problems.

School has become institutionalized learning. And we all know that kids are wildly different. My mother used to say that no one should be allowed to teach until they’ve had two children of the same gender. I have 3 boys and they couldn’t be more different, and they’re even fairly close in age. Some kids learn by doing, others are visual, and others are verbal. Some need to move on quickly and others need to mull things over. Right now, my DS has a teacher he likes personally, but he doesn’t respond to her teaching style. She’s not a bad teacher, just not “the right” teacher for him. She even told me in a meeting that she knows he needs to be in the above-grade class next year (not offered this year at his level), but because he doesn’t test well enough or pay attention to the busy work, despite his knowledge, he can’t be put in there. Which leads me to my next complaint—TESTS!

Schools are so dependent on what tests measure, but tests don’t measure knowledge!! Think about it. One spelling test doesn’t measure if you actually know how to spell a word. I’ve misspelled words that I know how to spell and I’ve spelled words correctly that I don’t know how to spell. I’ve done simple math errors, but I know the concept. And then some kids just don’t test well, even if they don’t have a disability. I remember in college that I had a professor who gave these multiple test questions that had six different possible answers. They way they were divided up, I knew four were wrong and one was right, but another could be right too. I frequently guessed wrong. I had the lowest grade in that class that I ever had. However, I had two friends taking the class the next semester and they weren’t “getting it”; I was easily able to teach it to them. Both of them said they never would have passed that class (and they got As!) without me. Go figure.

This isn’t just for testing, however. It leads into every day learning. I know my son is just barely above average in reading and language, but is gifted in math and science. Not a problem for him in math, they can make allowances for that (but not enough to satisfy an actually gifted child and not just a head-of-the-curve/advanced child), but in science is major boredom and is leading to a lack of interest. Then when he knows things, he rushes and misses them from careless mistakes.

And then most the homework that comes home is actually new material rather than reinforcement since they have to teach the kids how to take tests and don’t have the time to spend on the material the tests will cover. How about teaching the material and then they shouldn’t have a problem with the tests in the first place? If the tests are worth it, that is. They probably aren’t.

And then our schools, like many, have cut recess for more academics. Then the recess they have is short, and regulated. They have to do “two healthy laps” which take half the recess time before they can play. Then they can only play certain things on certain days by what class they are in due to the large number of students. On rainy days and for three more days, the kids are put in front of a TV to watch a video for recess. And they can’t talk during that time. Our school doesn’t even let them talk after school in car line or bus line or at lunch because with that many kids it gets too loud. Hello people!! Studies show over and over that kids who have breaks (and frequently) learn faster and retain more. They’re shooting themselves in the foot.

And they can’t have treats at school parties because if they have a cupcake more than twice a year they’ll become overweight. Yeah, right. I’m all for not selling candy and soda in schools, but kids aren’t overweight from having a party with treats a few times a year at school, but from eating junk/fast food regularly at home.

And I am so irritated with attendance laws. It’s a nice theory, but it doesn’t really work. All it does is make parents send their kids to school sick, getting even more kids sick (some with serious health issues like asthma) and keeps the illnesses around longer. It also teaches the wrong message, imho. Life is about doing the job right, not punching a time clock.

There is a reason why the old one room school houses of decades ago were so successful. Kids learned from each other at whatever their pace was! They also learned more tolerance for others and personal responsibility. I’m not saying to move to that direction, but we should take some of the best aspects and incorporate them into the public school system.

Technically, we have a great school district—one of the best in the state. We also have some of the top schools in the district. But that is all based on testing and other statistics that don’t really mean anything. And the administration is awful. Our principal is the kind that tells parents whatever they want to hear, despite what can or can not be done, and solves no problems. We can’t pick and choose our schools; you get the one assigned to you based on location. I can’t put my kids in the private schools that are actually good—40K per year each, plus a mandatory donation, and we can’t get more than a partial scholarship that won’t cut it. Then there is convincing DH that the outrageously high school district taxes just don’t cut it are really for nothing. Homeschooling wouldn’t work for us because I’m not scheduled enough and my kids don’t think I’m qualified enough to teach. I am qualified, but I don’t have the patience which is why they probably think that. My kids also want that DIALY interaction (what little of it they get) with other students.

Oh, I do volunteer at the school for special events and then regularly one day a week (the maximum I’m allowed). I take a very active interest in their education; I strongly believe in education. I am always giving my kids outside activities to support learning—something the school won’t do. There aren’t enough funds for field trips, but there is for weather bug?!?

I am currently looking for some way, somewhere, to try and get involved with an education reform movement that would coincide with my beliefs.
 
I have serious issues with the public school system. Notice I say the public school system and not just the individual school—or teacher—that my child has. I believe the problem is a major one. I think that good teachers, who are, unfortunately, few and far between (but are out there!), can and do make up for some of the problems.

School has become institutionalized learning. And we all know that kids are wildly different. My mother used to say that no one should be allowed to teach until they’ve had two children of the same gender. I have 3 boys and they couldn’t be more different, and they’re even fairly close in age. Some kids learn by doing, others are visual, and others are verbal. Some need to move on quickly and others need to mull things over. Right now, my DS has a teacher he likes personally, but he doesn’t respond to her teaching style. She’s not a bad teacher, just not “the right” teacher for him. She even told me in a meeting that she knows he needs to be in the above-grade class next year (not offered this year at his level), but because he doesn’t test well enough or pay attention to the busy work, despite his knowledge, he can’t be put in there. Which leads me to my next complaint—TESTS!

Schools are so dependent on what tests measure, but tests don’t measure knowledge!! Think about it. One spelling test doesn’t measure if you actually know how to spell a word. I’ve misspelled words that I know how to spell and I’ve spelled words correctly that I don’t know how to spell. I’ve done simple math errors, but I know the concept. And then some kids just don’t test well, even if they don’t have a disability. I remember in college that I had a professor who gave these multiple test questions that had six different possible answers. They way they were divided up, I knew four were wrong and one was right, but another could be right too. I frequently guessed wrong. I had the lowest grade in that class that I ever had. However, I had two friends taking the class the next semester and they weren’t “getting it”; I was easily able to teach it to them. Both of them said they never would have passed that class (and they got As!) without me. Go figure.

This isn’t just for testing, however. It leads into every day learning. I know my son is just barely above average in reading and language, but is gifted in math and science. Not a problem for him in math, they can make allowances for that (but not enough to satisfy an actually gifted child and not just a head-of-the-curve/advanced child), but in science is major boredom and is leading to a lack of interest. Then when he knows things, he rushes and misses them from careless mistakes.

And then most the homework that comes home is actually new material rather than reinforcement since they have to teach the kids how to take tests and don’t have the time to spend on the material the tests will cover. How about teaching the material and then they shouldn’t have a problem with the tests in the first place? If the tests are worth it, that is. They probably aren’t.

And then our schools, like many, have cut recess for more academics. Then the recess they have is short, and regulated. They have to do “two healthy laps” which take half the recess time before they can play. Then they can only play certain things on certain days by what class they are in due to the large number of students. On rainy days and for three more days, the kids are put in front of a TV to watch a video for recess. And they can’t talk during that time. Our school doesn’t even let them talk after school in car line or bus line or at lunch because with that many kids it gets too loud. Hello people!! Studies show over and over that kids who have breaks (and frequently) learn faster and retain more. They’re shooting themselves in the foot.

And they can’t have treats at school parties because if they have a cupcake more than twice a year they’ll become overweight. Yeah, right. I’m all for not selling candy and soda in schools, but kids aren’t overweight from having a party with treats a few times a year at school, but from eating junk/fast food regularly at home.

And I am so irritated with attendance laws. It’s a nice theory, but it doesn’t really work. All it does is make parents send their kids to school sick, getting even more kids sick (some with serious health issues like asthma) and keeps the illnesses around longer. It also teaches the wrong message, imho. Life is about doing the job right, not punching a time clock.

There is a reason why the old one room school houses of decades ago were so successful. Kids learned from each other at whatever their pace was! They also learned more tolerance for others and personal responsibility. I’m not saying to move to that direction, but we should take some of the best aspects and incorporate them into the public school system.

Technically, we have a great school district—one of the best in the state. We also have some of the top schools in the district. But that is all based on testing and other statistics that don’t really mean anything. And the administration is awful. Our principal is the kind that tells parents whatever they want to hear, despite what can or can not be done, and solves no problems. We can’t pick and choose our schools; you get the one assigned to you based on location. I can’t put my kids in the private schools that are actually good—40K per year each, plus a mandatory donation, and we can’t get more than a partial scholarship that won’t cut it. Then there is convincing DH that the outrageously high school district taxes just don’t cut it are really for nothing. Homeschooling wouldn’t work for us because I’m not scheduled enough and my kids don’t think I’m qualified enough to teach. I am qualified, but I don’t have the patience which is why they probably think that. My kids also want that DIALY interaction (what little of it they get) with other students.

Oh, I do volunteer at the school for special events and then regularly one day a week (the maximum I’m allowed). I take a very active interest in their education; I strongly believe in education. I am always giving my kids outside activities to support learning—something the school won’t do. There aren’t enough funds for field trips, but there is for weather bug?!?

I am currently looking for some way, somewhere, to try and get involved with an education reform movement that would coincide with my beliefs.

Very well said. And if you ever find that school- I'm enrolling my kids ASAP!
:cheer2:
 
rt2dz - as I teacher I completely understand your concerns. What I would ask is - then how do we educate millions of children for free (essentially)? Of course, I may be biased, but I believe that most teachers are doing a good job. Most are doing the best they can with limited resources, totally conflicting expectations, completely insane additional responsibilities placed on them by administrators/central offices that have little to do with teaching and learning, and often very, very little community and parent support.

Here in the United States we educate everybody. I believe that that is the right thing to do. Every kid should have the opportunity to be educated and better themselves. That provides additional challenges as well. I have a collab class 4th block with 34 kids. At least 10 of those kids that I know of have terrible, terrible family and personal situations. They all have diverse learning styles and personalities. Others have learning disabilities, motivation issues, etc. They all really need something different in terms of a teacher. I, however, have a certain set content that I must get through regardless of the dynamics of my class. And that is not always a bad thing. I try to differentiate and include classroom activities that utilize a variety of different learning styles - but hey, sometimes you just have to take notes or read the chapter, regardless of how you learn best.

I think camdensmom was right on in her post. There are lots of things parents can do to ensure that kids are getting a good public school education.
 
IMHO ~ the examples you gave reveal more of poor parenting choices rather than poor education choices.

I totally agree and for the record, my examples were meant to be examples as to why I made the choice I did in this area and in our community. Have we had some issues at private school? Of course, you will have issues anywhere you go (school, work, home).. you have to choose the place that best suits your needs. I dont stand above everyone who chooses other options. I do though stand up to someone who thinks that my choice should match theirs. Parenting is so hard, if we would all support instead of slander, we could help each other out. I hesitate to refer to "poor parenting" when I referenced these children because who am I to judge. But, these parents pushed their choices down our throats and would not look at any of their kids behavioral problems (they knew more about sex than I did as a teenager but yet they were being guarded against these things?) I would just smile when they would talk "above" me as I do with any choice I make. If I was in a good school district, my child would be in public school. Oh, and we were "catered" to by the wealthier people in town until it was clear we would not do public school. We were then shunned (thank goodness:lmao: ). I am not from where I live and the culture here is (well, lets just say different than what I was used to).

I think that at some point in any education choice we are all going to find disappointment. There isn't a choice that is going to be perfect, and we have to make a choice based on what is available to us and what will best maintain those aspects that we deem important. I think we can all agree that we want our children to learn, succeed, and enjoy school. Now if only we could agree on the specifics. ;)



Agreed but please don's be so quick to judge my post! My dd has friends of all backgrounds who attend public, private and homeschooling. I want her to be open in her decisions about her own children. I will support whatever they may be.:hippie:[/QUOTE]


It is not my intention to judge your post. I know the intent of your post was to encourage support between parents, but at the same time it had negative undertones. The specific examples of the homeschoolers just kind of fore-shadowed your post~for me at least. The behaviors of the homeschool children you mentioned are abundant in every educational setting, and I guess I read your examples as an opportunity to indirectly speak against homeschooling.

I guess I am sensitive. I agree, life would be so much more effective and pleasant if we as parents were more supporting and less slandering.
 
What an interesting juxtaposition of ideas...homeschooling bad, but caring, active participant parents good? You really can't see how these can be one in the same thing?

I am a homeschooling mom who does not fit into your mold...I am a certified teacher with years of teaching experience, (public and private schools), I have a BA and a masters, and I sat on a steering committee that created a private school and then I served a 4 year term on the school board.

My teaching skills and experiences have been valuable to e as a homeschooling mom. But it is my love and passion for my children, how well I know them as individuals, and my insatiable desire to provide the very best education for my children that are the biggest strengths I bring as a homeschooling mom.

You are obviously one of the (few) highly qualified homeschooling parents. However, my wife's family has several stay at home moms, with no post-hs education that insist on homeschooling as the only option. My wife's aunt homeschooled all her children all the way through 12th grade. None of her children have the slightest hope of a college education as they are completely unprepared for that level of education. They are also (in my opinion) rather behind socially. While neither impact of their homeschooling may be the norm, it is a risk.

I applaud you for having the desire and ability to give your children the education they deserve. I only caution those out there that, unless their desire and ability are as obviously refined as yours, they may not be as successful. In most cases, not all, I still think that a public or private school is the best choice.
 
As far as the private vs. public schooling thing goes, it all depends on your area (with homeschooling it really doesn't, unless all schools are bad and it's your last resort).

In our area of NH, the public schools are actually much better than the private schools that are a reasonable distance from our house. One of them is very good, but is pricey! I refuse to pay $5000 for Kindergarten (we were checking out that option for my DD3.5, sorry, not happening :sad2:) never mind the extra ten grand for high school! :eek: The other three are large, old-fashioned catholic schools, one of which my DH went to and HATED. Our public schools really aren't that bad, but in places like the deep south as one pp metioned, some really are as there can be a lot of crime.
 
You are obviously one of the (few) highly qualified homeschooling parents. However, my wife's family has several stay at home moms, with no post-hs education that insist on homeschooling as the only option. My wife's aunt homeschooled all her children all the way through 12th grade. None of her children have the slightest hope of a college education as they are completely unprepared for that level of education. They are also (in my opinion) rather behind socially. While neither impact of their homeschooling may be the norm, it is a risk.
Perhaps your wife's family is the exception? I don't know them, of course, but most of the homeschoolers I have met are well qualified and their kids are like most other kids. I only know one person who was homeschooled through high school, so I can't comment on that, except to say that he is fine, very normal, very successful in life.
 
rt2dz - as I teacher I completely understand your concerns. What I would ask is - then how do we educate millions of children for free (essentially)? Of course, I may be biased, but I believe that most teachers are doing a good job. Most are doing the best they can with limited resources, totally conflicting expectations, completely insane additional responsibilities placed on them by administrators/central offices that have little to do with teaching and learning, and often very, very little community and parent support.

Here in the United States we educate everybody. I believe that that is the right thing to do. Every kid should have the opportunity to be educated and better themselves. That provides additional challenges as well. I have a collab class 4th block with 34 kids. At least 10 of those kids that I know of have terrible, terrible family and personal situations. They all have diverse learning styles and personalities. Others have learning disabilities, motivation issues, etc. They all really need something different in terms of a teacher. I, however, have a certain set content that I must get through regardless of the dynamics of my class. And that is not always a bad thing. I try to differentiate and include classroom activities that utilize a variety of different learning styles - but hey, sometimes you just have to take notes or read the chapter, regardless of how you learn best.

I think camdensmom was right on in her post. There are lots of things parents can do to ensure that kids are getting a good public school education.

I agree with a lot of what you say; that is EXACTLY why I said I wasn’t putting the issue to teachers or a particular school, but the system. That is EXACTLY why I made a point of saying that my son’s teacher is not a bad teacher despite my son not learning from her. I believe that, yes, despite learning style, sometime you have to do things you don’t want to do. The problem is it doesn’t necessarily TEACH students and certainly does not measure KNOWLEDGE.

I fully believe that teachers are under resourced and way under paid. I usually vote to approve most bond issues that come forward because I do believe that it is in the best interest despite the school district taxes I pay equaling roughly 50% of all taxes I pay. That is why I say there needs to be reform of the system—and I am looking for something I can get behind.
 
:confused3 Wow, you must have some personal issues with this topic. One of my very best friend's is a homeschooling mom and her dd is one of my dds best friends. I respect her very much. I did not "stick it" to anyone.:lmao: :lmao: :lmao: :lmao: Sounds like you have issues with the PS system where you live, does that mean all of them? I would hope not. WE SHOULD SUPPORT EACH OTHERS DECISIONS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ummm...yeah. :rotfl: That is supportive!

My point from the beginning re. your post was that the mommas you know who look down on others are very much like the many, many traditional schooling people who look down their noses at homeschoolers.:confused3

LOL, and one of my son's best friends goes to traditional school, and he is such a nice boy. I truly respect his momma...
 
I am not happy with our school system. I live in a town that has "excellent schools", at least that is what they say. I think the education my adult sons had in Brooklyn, NY was much much better.

My DD11 and DS6 went to private full day kindergarten and then went to our district school. Our elementary school goes from 1 - 3 and then another school for 3 - 6. For DS we are very happy this year. He has ADHD and we contacted the district while he was in kindergarten, and they came out and observed him, and the placed him in a excellent class with an excellent teacher. She is amazing, and so is the other teacher who helps her for a certain portion of the day. They are both amazing with my son, incredible. She took a child that hated writing, and he is now writing in his journal, and just does all the writing homework he used to fight me with doing. We did just go through the whole evaluation program and he has an IEP. I am hopefull that his next year's teacher will be just as good. The child study team in his school are really good.

They did a good job with DD. Her first grade teacher stunk!!! OMG, she was bascially new, and too easy on the kids. DD had like no homework, and we felt like the year was a waste of time. The next year she went the opposite direction and was too much work and too strict. I was very glad DS didn't get her this year. Now, DD is in 6th grade and this year Stinks. She started out doing well, but things have spiraled down. Anytime we ask for changes to her 504, we are told not those things don't belong in a 504, and these things came from talking to DS's child study team and her therapist!! So we just asked for a meeting of the child study team, adn want DD re evaluated, and try to get her an IEP.

Mil is a retired NYC special ed teacher, and we have talked about home schooling. It's not something I would be able to do, I wouldn't have the patience. DD starts middle school in September and we really want her on the right footing. Her second and third grade teachers were great. So were her 4 and 5. This year her teacher is nice, but all they seem to be doing is gearing everything towards writing!! They take the NJASK6 exams in a month, adn the test is all about writing. OMG all their class work is on writing, even all their math answers have to be in complete sentences. This is INSANE. DD LOVES to READ, she HATES to WRITE. She also at this point only likes horror, fantasy and sci fi. She hates mysteries. Now they need to read a book for reading log, and do a literary response. They can read what they want with the teachers approval. DD fell in love with a series of books by Darren Shan, that she found in the schools library. It is for teens, but she loves it and read each and everyone. We bought her the series, and she reads them again and again. Her teacher approved the first book but wouldn't let her read the others. She didn't approve. Now it isnt up to the teacher to decide what our dd can read or can't read, not when everyone else is picking what they want. Her teacher didn't find the material appropriate. Umm..she got the book from the school library!! DH and I were annoyed about that. We decide what is appropriate for her to read.

We had conferences the other day, and the teacher said something to the effect that the book doesn't do well for writing, and that reading is for writing. ***???? I mean she said this to us before, and it annoyed us. DH and I are avid readers. We read for the joy and love of a good story. It's escapism, it's learning, it's just fun. Reading can help with vocabulary, but it's not for writing. We want our kids to love to read and not associate it with the chore of writing and wind up hating reading.

Our kids are being short changed with being taught how to take tests. That is the goal of schools today. Kids can't learn what they need to learn, they need to learn what is on the test to pass the test, and everything else goes by the wayside. This is a very sad sign of our times :(.
 


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