Any truth to Spaceship Earth ride closing?

[d-r]

Originally posted by nrose101
If you follow that logic you will just turn Disney into just another park like Universal or Six Flags.

What makes Disney different is that it isn't just thrills, but thinking rides and also rides to teach us (such as what epcot's vision was after Walt died), also to immerse us in another world, time or place, I don't know about you but I think spaceship earth has some other best animatronics I have ever scene.

That is balony, Nathan. Again, no one has seen these plans. If you believe Jim Hill (and I'm not telling you to) then you'll see it says cutting edge effects yada yada yada. I have no idea what they will have. Maybe it will have animatronics that move like the droids in attack of the clones for all I know. Do you know any different?? no, you don't. You have no idea of what Quality, story, anything would go in to that ride. But you are going to compare it to six flags? How so?? You have no basis at all. What seperates disney from six flags is not the presense or absence of thrills, I assure you. Disney does not have to be boring and lame to be Disney. I don't even know how thrilling this ride will be! Whatever it is it won't be enough for Bob O! I'm sure that there is someone's grandmother who thinks that spaceship earth right now is to thrilling when it turns around backwards. Who is to say what is thrill or not? Especially when you have no idea whatsoever what the plans are.

Best animatronics? No, they are pretty stilted, very limited movement. They don't do a whole lot. Better animatronics are in the great movie ride (especially the witch), Indiana Jones, and hopper (especiall in Ca.) in tough to be a bug. Heck, even the cartoony looking people in Sinbad voyage move more fluidly. Even hall of presidents and american adventure look better. I'm hard pressed to think of any that look worse, unless you count something like food rocks as animtronics. Most of the pirates don't move that much, but Again, none of you even know if they are going to do ANYTHING, and you surely don't know what they will do if they do something. Maybe this place will have the best animatronics you've ever seen.

If I came on here and posted "I heard a rumor that they would not change SSE for the next 100 years!!" then there would be a ton of people *****ing how that is just like Disney of today, never adding anything new, just keeping the same old junk going. You can't have it both ways. It would be nice for something new to be there, yes, a few thousand Disney fans will be sad and miss the old one, but 10 million other people will be interested enough to go see it and like it.

 

[Tig-girl]

You are right nrose 101. If they turn it into a park of "thrill rides", it won't be too thrilling for those of us who know what the "magic" really is! Pixie dust to you!

 

[nrose101]

I agree Disney is trying to apease todays audience, but Disney also used to stand for values. For instance The Tiki Room might now be more appealing today's audiences, but it is just yelling and screaming and insults being thrown. Before it was a nice musical animatronic number.

I don't know maybe I am old fasion, but when Disney was alive money would not have had a priority if values where going to be thrown out the window.

 

[raidermatt]

I'm sorry Hope, Matt, and Tiggirl, I didn't realize that you were privy to the plans and actually knew what this makeover would be.

You know, d-r, I'm really not sure why you consistently take offense at opinions that differ from yours, but the sarcasm is really not necessary.

The plans that are being discussed are for a coaster. If you put no stock in those plans, then there is no rumor and no need to even discuss changes to SE.

But let's face it, folks, really. Would you ever consider waiting in line for spaceship earth? Of course not, because there never is a line except maybe first thing in the morning when it catches some tourists who haven't seen it before. Once WS opens for lunch, there won't be another line, and you all know it.

There are sometimes lines after 11am, and I have seen them. But AGAIN, the through-put rate on an attraction is a huge factor in how long the line is. So unless you have ridership numbers, you really aren't proving anything. Further, Disney keeps the ride open until 9pm, unlike many of the other attractions in FW, so clearly its far from the weakest link.

What seperates disney from six flags is not the presense or absence of thrills, I assure you.

Actually, assuming you mean physical thrills, yes, it is ONE of the differentiating factors.

If I came on here and posted "I heard a rumor that they would not change SSE for the next 100 years!!" then there would be a ton of people *****ing how that is just like Disney of today, never adding anything new, just keeping the same old junk going. You can't have it both ways.

Nice of you to put words in all of our mouths, but really, we can speak for ourselves. Again, the problem is with how the RUMORED update/change is to be executed, not that there is simply going to be an update/change. If all you want to discuss about the rumor is that there will be an update, fine, few will really complain. But that same rumor includes the coaster part as well. YOU can choose to celebrate half of the rumor and ignore the rest if you wish, but its not realistic to expect everyone else to do the same.

 

[d-r]

Matt, I'm not taking offense. Really, don't take me that way - I might say something to get a rise or something, but I'm not taking offense or getting upset about anything, just being extreme to make a point. I'm just saying that none of us know what it is - it may be the coolest, best themed, most story based attraction that we can imagine. Who knows.

And it isn't YOUR particular mouth I'm putting words in, I'm saying SOMEBODY would say it. I don't know who particularly, but somebody would. Heck, I think if Disney announced that they were expanding the park hours till midnight everynight SOMEBODY would be on here complaining that they aren't meeting their fidicial responsibility and they have terrible business sense and somebody who knows how to run a theme park needs to get in there. Somebody else would probably say it is just a smoke screen to distract us all from ABC ratings. Three people would say it just prooves that they could have been able to do it all along and that they should have but they finally had to listen to the customer. And one last person would be upset that they weren't open to one. Come on, don't you really believe me if you think about it I've been having fun poking at people the past few days, I should quit because your taking me too serious.

FWIW, it sounds like I got burned by being optimistic about the diamond horeshoe, and I admitted that. I hoped it would be something cool, and it sounds lame to me. But maybe it will appeal to a lot of families and their kids. And as much as I liked Mr. Toad, and boy do I, I think that the general public is much happier with Pooh. The Tikki Birds, well I missed the old show, saw it disneyland and had an "oh, yeah" sort of experience - the new management really isn't so bad, imho (and it is 1000 times better than the show in Tokyo!!!!) As much as a few Disney parks enthusiasts might have loved world of motion, I really honestly believe (I don't know how to establish or prove it) that test track has drawn more people to the park. TT isn't my favorite, I might do it, I might skip it, but it is more inticing to the regular joe kind of family that might come once or twice or thrice. I think that mission:space is going to be a bigger draw than horizons was, as fond as it people might have been of it. I've grown to love Epcot quite a bit, but as a teen I would rather have stayed home. I say put in some new stuff and make that park more interesting for kids who aren't old enough to buy beer

 

[d-r]

I saved this for a separate post because I need to really go in depth here and explore this one point.

What seperates disney from six flags is not the presense or absence of thrills, I assure you.
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Actually, assuming you mean physical thrills, yes, it is ONE of the differentiating factors.

No it isn't.

 

[nrose101]

My point is for instance Mr Toad. They could have kept that ride and moved Pooh somewhere else, they didn't need to replace it this way they please everybody. I just miss the old "family values" disney parks. Don't get me wrong I still go every two months or so, but there definetly feels like some of the magic is gone.

 

[raidermatt]

No it isn't.

Disneyland has 40-55 attractions, depending on what you count as an attraction. 7 of those could be considered some kind of thrill ride. 2 of those 7 have height requirements in the 30's.

Magic Mountain has 29 rides, 21 of which have height requirements of 42" or more. "Thrills" are emphasized throughout their website.

Seems like a pretty significant difference in thrills. Granted, its not the ONLY differentiating factor, but I only said it was ONE differentiating factor.

How am I off-base on this?

 

[raidermatt]

Good point, Scoop.

I guess I just know d-r is capable of playing the sarcastic card in a more creative and less confrontational way than "I didn't realize you know everything already and I don't".

(and no, that was not sarcasm )

 

[d-r]

Dangit I just posted something and it didn't show up.

Anyway, I am sorry Matt if I was rude. I don't like it when people are rude, and I shouldn't be. I apologize.

Thank you for posting the numbers and looking those up. To me, it makes the case I was saying, though. Actually, I didn't have as detailed information as you, I was thinking of only two attractions: space mountain and monster plantation. My logic was this-

Disney has space mountain, and it is a thrill attraction.
Six flags has monster plantation, and it is not a thrill attraction.
Therefore,
Disney has both thrill attractions and non-thrill, and six flags has both thrill attractions and non-thrill.
Thus,
The presence or absence of thrill attractions does not distinguish between the two -
Remember, I said "What seperates disney from six flags is not the presense or absence of thrills, I assure you." I didn't say the proportion of non-thrill to thrill.

Anyway, I'm sorry if I was rude to you or to Nathan. What I was talking about in Nathan's post when I said "balony" was the part "if you follow my logic, I would turn the park into six flags" I was saying that was balony, I didn't mean all of what he had to say. I'm sorry that wasn't more clear and if I was rude or mean.

"I didn't realize you know everything already and I don't"
Well jeez I couldn't help it. Everybody is complaining about something they really don't know anything about.
Now, I can't help but saying -
"There are sometimes lines after 11am, and I have seen them."
That's really not a very compelling statement Matt, but I understand your good point about throughput.

 

[nrose101]

No hard feelings d-r. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.