Any other Florida residents feeling slighted?

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Immelman said:
I don't care what state you live in, anyone who goes to WDW spends alot of money. once an AP holder has his AP, you're not paying admission prices, so they need you on property spending money in their parks. our incentives are to get us into those resort rooms that are sitting empty generating no income. we get perks because we can drive to either WDW, UO, Seaworld, BG, or cypress gardens within an hour from each other. that's why they need locals. I work with people who are natives and have been to WDW once or twice their entire lives. WDW knows that joe sixpack in sheboygen is saving up to bring his family down for a once-in-a-lifetime trip. those familes are no-brainers. are we entitled to perks, no. but there's a reason the parks give them. and as far as 'needing tourism', I'd gladly go back to paying state income taxes in a heartbeat. tourism doesn't affect my income one bit. if the parks dried up, I'd still have Siesta Key, palm trees, and year-round sunshine.

I tried to make this same point twice now, but it is clearly falling on deaf ears. These people have their minds made up that we don't deserve anything extra (truth is, because they can't get these discounts so that makes it not fair!) so I wouldn't bother even arguing any longer. Why debate it? We get the benefits, they don't, nah nah nah nah nah.
 
Immelman said:
I work with people who are natives and have been to WDW once or twice their entire lives.

That would be my brother. He hates theme parks...can you imagine :eek:
He lives in Orlando and can probably count on one hand the number of times he's been to any theme park. I've tried to disown him, but no luck so far ;)
 
chimera said:
I think what scares me the most is the uncontrolled development. There used to be cows and orange groves between my house and I-75. Now there's strip malls and housing developments. They're building on every square inch of available land. We're slowly losing our green spaces and beachfront...the things that make Florida, Florida.

Sadly that is everywhere :sad: I live in MI and our area has grown by leaps and bounds, and I am 45 minutes from Lake MI, not even ON the lake! In fact about 5 years ago, maybe 6 our school district built a new high school because the area was growing so profusely. Oddly enough, they didn't plan to well because they outgrew after a year. :rolleyes:

I wonder if there will be green space anywhere besides Montana, we may just become one huge city all across the county.
 

"I remember Disney wanted to put a park in Virginia and the residents of Virginia put a BIG STOP to it. Why? First because it would ruin all historical heritage there and second nobody but nobody wanted to put up with an overflow of tourism which includes a ton of traffic and a ton of people day in and day out."

We lived in Virginia during that time, and we were some of the people who wholeheartedly supported Disney coming in. Everyone thought "Ohh the tourists, oh the traffic"! Well fastforward about 15 years, and guess what.... those same people who opposed Disney coming in are rueing the day they told Disney no. They now have strip malls, shopping complexes, housing developments and the dreaded riff raff they feared from a park, in the same place that they opposed Disney... and they don't have the infrastructure to support it. Infrastruction in the highways especially that Disney was going to improve and extra tourist dollars to help support local causes, like schools. Be Careful what you Wish For.

That being said, we moved from Va Beach... yes, also a tourist area with a HUGE military presense... to Florida... a bigger tourist area. We knew full well about the traffic, the snowbirds, the fact that during the summer we would not be enjoying the parks, because that is when most kids are out of school and they would be coming with their parents to enjoy the parks. Hey, no problem... our parks, unlike those in Va are open year around, and we can go during value season. My husband has an AP, so not only can we benefit from the Florida discount aspect, but we can also benefit from the AP discount. We just compare which is best. With the DDE, right now, the offer for Ap holders is better, so we will take advantage of that. If one is so inclined and live close enough, he/she can also work for Disney, opening up a whole other opportunity to get discounts. And sometimes the AP and Florida discounts are better than the castmember discounts!

I think that we should all be thankful for what we have wherever we choose to live. Everywhere has its own special meaning to the people who live there. We chose to live in Florida... we aren't natives... so natives may see us as part of the problem, however, we knew when we moved down here exactly what to expect. I think some people do move here with the expectation that everything is going to be perfect, as if they are actually moving to Walt Disney World. We didn't, because we have always dealt with tourists and traffic in Va Beach. Even with its flaws, we love it here and wouldn't want to live anywhere else.
 
zalansky said:
I tried to make this same point twice now, but it is clearly falling on deaf ears. These people have their minds made up that we don't deserve anything extra (truth is, because they can't get these discounts so that makes it not fair!) so I wouldn't bother even arguing any longer. Why debate it? We get the benefits, they don't, nah nah nah nah nah.

Never let logic get in the way of a good arguement....... :rolleyes:
 
zalansky said:
I tried to make this same point twice now, but it is clearly falling on deaf ears. These people have their minds made up that we don't deserve anything extra (truth is, because they can't get these discounts so that makes it not fair!) so I wouldn't bother even arguing any longer. Why debate it? We get the benefits, they don't, nah nah nah nah nah.


nah nah nah nah???
 
I have to admit, that I am still puzzled as to why there are so many posters on this thread that do not live in the state of Florida. Have I been missing out on something, by not getting into every discussion on these boards whether or not the topic applies to me. :confused: I for one run from a debate, because I don't feel that is this board's intent. Shouldn't we expect that residents of another state would feel differently about the question posed, than a FL resident would. I feel certain that is why the OP directed her question to FL residents only. I definitely don't mean to be crass, but I am truly confused why so many of you have chimed in. I know we all are free to post on any thread, but I think we must be looking for a debate, if we comment on things that don't really apply to us at all. Yes, I can see why you wouldn't want WDW to decide to remove your recently acquired benefits, in favor of once again providing better perks to the residents, but this thread was not intended for that. Perhaps you could start another thread and pose your opinions. Why is it not possible to post a simple question, without fear of being flamed. If a FL res. totally disagreed with the OP, I think the OP would be much more receptive, because after all they did ask for that.

As for the discounts, why do they offer them to residents? For one, they're trying to hook all those residents who have never visited the parks. They think if they get them in there once, they'll all become WDW nuts just live we all are. :earboy2: Also, what do you think the reason for the Epcot after 4 pass is? WDW offers it to locals hoping that when we go out for a nice dinner instead of spending $150 for a family of 3 at a local restaurant, we'll drive a little further & donate that $150 to them. Same reason for offering residents a discount on AP's. They're hoping that instead of going to the beach for a weekend getaway, the locals will decide they want to get more mileage out of their AP, so instead of going to the beach, they'll come to WDW & stay in their resorts, & dine with them 3 meals a day. Not to mention all of those residents who decide that instead of flying somewhere else, they'll just decide to go to WDW for their vacation. After all, you can stay in a nice resort, dine at good restaurants, & ride all you want. They can do all of this within an hours drive. That $1000+ that we are saving by driving, rather than flying. You guessed it, that just equals a longer stay & more expensive meals. If you ask me, it's ingenious. It sure has worked on my family. On the other hand, if they take away the special perks, there's many more places in this state that are equally eager to take that money. Or worse yet, we might actually leave the state for a vacation. :earseek: I realize that not all theme parks offer locals discounts, but at those parks they can't depend on most locals spending $300+ for a family of 3, everytime they decide to go have a little family fun, for the day. For my family, that's just lunch & dinner.

I was planning to stay out of the income topic, because to be honest, I feel that it is ludicrous. We are a 30 something couple, who moved here because of DH's job. A job that is not dependent on the tourism industry in any way. We don't all live in Orlando, Miami, or on the beach. I think the state would probably survive without the tourists. Do they bother me, not in the least, because I hope that when I visit their state, they will be equally receptive of my visit. Are they doing me a favor by being here? NO. Yes we don't have a state tax, but don't forget we also have the lottery. To be honest, I think the very best perk that tourists provide for us, is tax free groceries. By the way, you are welcome to this same great perk, if you visit one of our grocery stores. :) However, my sisters in NC can buy the exact same groceries at their stores for about 3/4 the amount I am paying. It is actually cheaper for my family of 3 to eat out. The snow birds are a different issue all together. Yes, they make things much more congested in the winter, but they also provide an influx of cash into a majority of the state. Anyway, I don't know how this discussion even got started, so I will let it go.

To the OP: It doesn't bother me that others are receiving discounts, because I have lots of family who come to visit & I will be glad for them to have an opportunity to save. I do however understand why you feel that way.

Concerning the tourist: Personally, my income or lack of doesn't depend on tourist any more than tourism in any other part of the world. I am a stay at home Mom, & DH would make the same with or without tourists. The snowbirds do put alot of the food on our table, & I for one am glad they're here. I realize that not everyone feels that way, but I'm sure the snow birds don't affect their lives in the positive way, that they do ours. After all, doesn't everyone have a job that depends on others in some way? Actually, I welcome you all with open arms, but I am a bit offended by the notion that you are my lifeline.

Do we spend more money at WDW than others we know, who live out of state? By a long shot! For us, that's alot of people, because DH & I were both born & raised in NC, & we both have family & friends there. We also lived in VA for awhile, so we have friends there also.

That's it for me. Hopefully, we can get back to the question posed. :flower1:
 
cobbler said:
I wonder if there will be green space anywhere besides Montana, we may just become one huge city all across the county.

LOL...I keep telling DH we're going to have to move to Montana so we can have lots of land. He reminds me we'd never survive the winters. :umbrella:
 
As an extremely happy EX-Floridian, the FL residents desereve all of the perks they can get. Unbearable heat, mosquitos, rain every afternoon at 3 pm, awful school systems, a total lack of culture, no museums, no theater, voter disenfranchisement, strip mall sprall, the list goes on and on. Believe me, other than Disney and the occational trip to the beach, there's alot left to be desired!
 
I've only read the first couple of replies so I apologize if someone else has said this.

Disney does not offer resident discounts as an apology to Floridians for having to put up with tourists. They offer discounts to fill the parks when they would otherwise not be full. If the discounts they are presently offering do the trick, there's no reason to offer any more. Your only recourse is to stop buying annual passes and visiting the parks and encourage everyone you know to stop as well. If enough people stop, the perks will increase. I understand how you feel, but thems the breaks. ;)

I wanted to live year round in FL., but have changed my mind to being a snowbird. Hopefully there will be some discounts when I finally get down there. :)
 
tarheelmjfan said:
I have to admit, that I am still puzzled as to why there are so many posters on this thread that do not live in the state of Florida. Have I been missing out on something, by not getting into every discussion on these boards whether or not the topic applies to me. :confused: I for one run from a debate, because I don't feel that is this board's intent. Shouldn't we expect that residents of another state would feel differently about the question posed, than a FL resident would. I feel certain that is why the OP directed her question to FL residents only. I definitely don't mean to be crass, but I am truly confused why so many of you have chimed in. I know we all are free to post on any thread, but I think we must be looking for a debate, if we comment on things that don't really apply to us at all. Yes, I can see why you wouldn't want WDW to decide to remove your recently acquired benefits, in favor of once again providing better perks to the residents, but this thread was not intended for that. Perhaps you could start another thread and pose your opinions. Why is it not possible to post a simple question, without fear of being flamed. If a FL res. totally disagreed with the OP, I think the OP would be much more receptive, because after all they did ask for that.

To the OP: It doesn't bother me that others are receiving discounts, because I have lots of family who come to visit & I will be glad for them to have an opportunity to save. I do however understand why you feel that way.

That's it for me. Hopefully, we can get back to the question posed. :flower1:

Thank you - I did pose the question for Fl residents...I wanted feedback from my fellow Floridians...not the nastiness that the others are bringing to this thread. I guess there are those people.......who just feel the need to debate EVERYTHING.

I, too, work for a company that does not rely on tourism....maybe that is why I feel I am "fighting" tourists all the time.
 
If you go during the off season and look around the hotel parking lots and I would say 75% of the tags are FL.
Just a thought here...but I'll bet many of these are rental cars ! We're from PA and in the last 10 years we've preferred to vacation in off-season for lower crowds (and F&W, Halloween, Christmas etc). I know our FL tags may have been ones you've seen.

I tried to make this same point twice now, but it is clearly falling on deaf ears. These people have their minds made up that we don't deserve anything extra (truth is, because they can't get these discounts so that makes it not fair!) so I wouldn't bother even arguing any longer.
I see it as one group of people discussing an issue with an opposing group of people ? I mean, in all honesty, we may be thinking the same about you all turning a deaf ear to what we're saying ? But in reality, this is what discussion is all about. Give and take of differing opinions......you can try all you like but you're never going to get everyone to agree with you ? Is what you are saying the only logic ? There were a couple posts here about the FL weather vs the winters up north (ie FL summers being compared to northern winters and FL having "unbearable" heat). I don't necessarily agree with this. You notice you don't see Floridians flocking to the north during the summer like you see northerners flocking to the south during winter ? I'd (personally) take the FL heat over the unbearable cold/snow/ice up here. Last January (for the entire month) we never made it out of the 20's. I find that just as unbearable as you all might find your summers but I won't say it "falls on deaf ears" if you don't agree with me. I've spent a considerable portion of my summers in FL with relatives and find the summers not much more hot and humid that Philly is in July and August. Personally, I love it and would gladly take it over our winters. But everyone has varying viewpoints.
I have to admit, that I am still puzzled as to why there are so many posters on this thread that do not live in the state of Florida.
Human nature ---I think the topic caught the eyes of many---I know it did mine. ONce I started reading (wasn't going to post), I felt compelled to share another viewpoint. I think a post with "FL" in the topic draws most people's attention as WDW is there (the whole point of these boards) and for alot of us, our major vacation destination (I have two FL timeshares). I didn't necessarily disagree with the OP. The boards are free and open for discussion by all as it's a public forum. It's a shame some take such offense to it. I think several non Floridians (myself included) stated we would not resent you all getting additional discounts. Not all of us are hostile. I think some of you are reading stuff that you don't necessarily want to hear so you're questioning why we're here. Bet if we all backed you 110 % the above question wouldn't have been posted ?

But honestly, many of us have made a good point....we don't get discounts to our attraction areas and restaurants. Excellent point about having to pay to get on the beach despite being dedicated tourists all our lives. We frequent the Jersey shores during the summer (May-Sept) and I know NJ counts on us residents and local bordering states for their business. We're only 60 minutes from the nearest beach point. I don't see us getting appreciated or recognized for our years (in my case I've been spending my whole lifetime down the shore for summers) of loyalty ? But, I'll repeat again.....I'm never opposed to discounts of any kind to anyone. So more power to you FL residents if you can get them.
 
Laugh O. Grams said:
As an extremely happy EX-Floridian, the FL residents desereve all of the perks they can get. Unbearable heat, mosquitos, rain every afternoon at 3 pm, awful school systems, a total lack of culture, no museums, no theater, voter disenfranchisement, strip mall sprall, the list goes on and on. Believe me, other than Disney and the occational trip to the beach, there's alot left to be desired!


I find this very rude...we have many fine arts, theatre and museums....we could talk about NY....I can just start with the way all the Yankee/Mets fans behave....
 
maybe it's time this thread were closed too. can't understand how we go from a question to talking about other peoples states??????
 
cra-z-4-dizney said:
maybe it's time this thread were closed too. can't understand how we go from a question to talking about other peoples states??????


I feel really bad that everyone is starting such a debate. I wanted Florida resident feelings on the subject matter...not a huge discussion.
 
MarkLem said:
nah nah nah nah???

Yes, you read that right, because this is so ridiculous that people would be so nasty about this topic, that fits. But, it doesn't shock me at all if you took this seriously. puckerup:
 
zalansky said:
Yes, you read that right, because this is so ridiculous that people would be so nasty about this topic, that fits. But, it doesn't shock me at all if you took this seriously. puckerup:

sayeth the pot to the kettle.....
 
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