Any more details about Hawaii or Grand Californian??

You're right about summer in Hawaii. It's definitely not a low season. Jan (after new years) - Feb, Mid Sep - Mid Nov, Early Dec (except during the Honolulu Marathon) are the typical low seasons in Hawaii. From mid May through Labor day it's pretty busy here.
I'm guessing premier time for Xmas to Easter (plus minus Jan) and for mid summer; Magic for much of the rest of the time with Dream or Choice in a few weeks here and there and possibly early Dec as Adventure for 2 weeks.
 
I can only assume, given past sales figures, that it will take DVC longer than that to sell out the points for 50 2 BR units. I'm guessing it will be on sale for months. To say otherwise would mean that that you believe or know that GCV will sell, what, 100 times faster than any other DVC location?

How many units does VWL have? How long did those take? I'm guessing that GCV will be popular for small add ons with some members, and some full purchases but I don't think it will sell out in minutes.
I'm not talking about buying GCV, I was talking about obtaining a ressie at 7 month window or less with generic points. When AKV opened there was an owners opening and a later public opening for the non-AKV owners. The 1st opening filled a lot of the ressies, and at the later opening DVCers with non AKV points were left to pick up the "scraps", as they initially opened only 70-90 units. We got in to the first public day to get a ressie for half our stay in 10/07. We called at 9:00 am from 3 phones. By the end of that day, AKV was almost totally booked for the next 7 months.
I suspect that a similar opening will occur for GCV and a mad scramble for the "scraps" left by the GCV owners for only 50 or fewer units. It will be the first and last day that one could reserve a "chunk" of days rather than going day by day and taking a big chance of having "holes" to waitlist.
So I wait patiently for this Public opening and suspect that will be the last time I see GCV in a long time.
BOB
 
Ok, I see what you mean. I think you are right. 7 months and under, GCV will be a challange. Unlike at WDW, where many of a given resort's members may use their points at another DVC resort, at GCV most of those points will be used at GCV, leaving very little availabilty for other DVC owners. I'm sure however, that this won't be the last DLR DVC property.

I'm not talking about buying GCV, I was talking about obtaining a ressie at 7 month window or less with generic points. When AKV opened there was an owners opening and a later public opening for the non-AKV owners. The 1st opening filled a lot of the ressies, and at the later opening DVCers with non AKV points were left to pick up the "scraps", as they initially opened only 70-90 units. We got in to the first public day to get a ressie for half our stay in 10/07. We called at 9:00 am from 3 phones. By the end of that day, AKV was almost totally booked for the next 7 months.
I suspect that a similar opening will occur for GCV and a mad scramble for the "scraps" left by the GCV owners for only 50 or fewer units. It will be the first and last day that one could reserve a "chunk" of days rather than going day by day and taking a big chance of having "holes" to waitlist.
So I wait patiently for this Public opening and suspect that will be the last time I see GCV in a long time.
BOB
 
.But everything I've heard indicates that DL's guests are of a different demographic than WDW--more locals, more spur-of-the-moment visitors. I suspect a larger percentage of DL guests are not good candidates for DVC ownership.
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That is certainly true, and as CA residents we make last minute trips to DLR all the time. But things have changed a bit. Suddenly we are getting questions about our DVC from friends wanting to know more about it.
One reason is the LA traffic, for a lot of AP holders. It used to take us an hour and a half to drive the 70 miles to DLR from our home. It now takes almost three hours. We have been booking hotel, and motel rooms lately, so we can get to DLR in the morning. Friends do the same, or leave their homes at 5:00 AM to get to rope drop in time. All have started asking about DVC.
Most also "know" or have access to information from within the Burbank offices. Disney Cruise Line on the west coast has been mentioned a lot out here. Our buddies and friends know they can use points for the cruises. It might be a surprise to Disney execs, and DVC when they discover they need to build a second DVC at DLR. GC will not be adequate for the demand, from the stuff I'm hearing from regular guests. Don't forget the billion plus Disney is spending over the next 10 years on DCA, and then there is the timeshare competition at Anaheim Gardenwalk.
The demographic is definitely different, but they still plan ahead for special occasions, and want a DVC. Even if they only use it in CA. Some are actually discovering WDW for the first time ever, and DVC is the answer for them to get to WDW more often, it was for us.
 

That is certainly true, and as CA residents we make last minute trips to DLR all the time. But things have changed a bit. Suddenly we are getting questions about our DVC from friends wanting to know more about it.
One reason is the LA traffic, for a lot of AP holders. It used to take us an hour and a half to drive the 70 miles to DLR from our home. It now takes almost three hours. We have been booking hotel, and motel rooms lately, so we can get to DLR in the morning. Friends do the same, or leave their homes at 5:00 AM to get to rope drop in time. All have started asking about DVC.
Most also "know" or have access to information from within the Burbank offices. Disney Cruise Line on the west coast has been mentioned a lot out here. Our buddies and friends know they can use points for the cruises. It might be a surprise to Disney execs, and DVC when they discover they need to build a second DVC at DLR. GC will not be adequate for the demand, from the stuff I'm hearing from regular guests. Don't forget the billion plus Disney is spending over the next 10 years on DCA, and then there is the timeshare competition at Anaheim Gardenwalk.
The demographic is definitely different, but they still plan ahead for special occasions, and want a DVC. Even if they only use it in CA. Some are actually discovering WDW for the first time ever, and DVC is the answer for them to get to WDW more often, it was for us.

Also, everyone needs to remember not everyone that lives in CA lives close to the Mouse. We are 5 to 6 hour drive away. We definitley plan our vacations to DL. You got the entire SF area, Phonenix, Nevada, etc... that are not a close drive to DL.

I don't plan to add on points but I'd love to make reservations at 7 months which is the time I think most people would plan for a Disney trip. As it is now, the DL hotels book up pretty quick during school holidays.
 
It might be a surprise to Disney execs, and DVC when they discover they need to build a second DVC at DLR. GC will not be adequate for the demand, from the stuff I'm hearing from regular guests.
I think Burbank has every intention and plan for significant development around DLR - including at least one "real" DVC.
 
It might be a surprise to Disney execs, and DVC when they discover they need to build a second DVC at DLR.

It is not a surprise, when we bought last year, our guide made a point of telling us that GCV was just the beginning. It's in the works, where in the process is anyone's guess. We live only 30 minutes from DLR and will add on GCV points for the 11 month ressies.
 
It is not a surprise, when we bought last year, our guide made a point of telling us that GCV was just the beginning. It's in the works, where in the process is anyone's guess. We live only 30 minutes from DLR and will add on GCV points for the 11 month ressies.
We have heard a few rumors over the last few years that the execs at DLR had a wait and see attitude about the GC DVC. But also that the Simba parking lot was to be the location for the second DLR DVC, next to Paradise Pier. Others think it will actually be in Gardenwalk, and not on DLR property.
Has Disney ever actually given a name to the GC DVC? Such as Villas at..., or Grand CA Villas?
Villas are always attached to the name of a hotel/DVC mix use, and the stand alone resorts have no villas in their name. So any DVC only resort @ DLR would have it's own resort name.
 
I think the main difference with GCV will be the length of a vacation. I've never been to DL, but I understand it is not a place where you go to spend an entire week of vacation. More like 2 or 3 nights thing. That means families will buy less points for a yearly vacation there than what they buy right now for WDW DVC. That may influence the amount of time it takes to sell when compared to the Florida counterparts. But the other main difference is that it has no competition. I think when BCV opened they were selling BWV also, so people could choose between one or the other, whereas here there is nothing else to buy.
As per reservations at the 7 month window, I guess the first 5 years will be very hard to book at 7 months, but once members start using their points for other vacations (hawaii, WDW, etc) we may have a chance during low season.
 
I only live 1/2 hour from Disneyland, but my family stays at least 10 nights at the Disney hotels throughout the year.

We will be buying into GCV but only a small contract 25-50points since I don't really need more points than that. But I do want the 11 month booking window.
 
On a side note, DVC has a full page ad in the new issue of Westways magazine. Westways is Southern California's AAA magazine.
 
I can't wait till Ko'Olina is open in 2012. I want to buy in to there, maybe just enough for a 2-bdrm every 3 years.
 
I can't wait till Ko'Olina is open in 2012. I want to buy in to there, maybe just enough for a 2-bdrm every 3 years.
Save your money. That should be around 150-160 points per year for a 2 BR for a week every 3 years. Assuming financial recovery before then, maybe almost $20K buy in.
 
Hi guys...the Hawaii fact sheet on dvcnew.com says "480 two bedroom equivelants..." does that mean only 2 bedrooms or does that mean they will be all one bedrooms plus studios which can be linked into 480 two bedrooms? Reason I ask is that we always book studios and wouldn't have enough points for a 2 bedroom...does anyone know if there will be studios available in Hawaii, that is when Hawaii opens one day? Also, anyone want to give their two cents on whether to stay BLT or VWL on next trip, until now have only stayed AKV. Boy 4 years wants the "cowboy hotel" (vwl)---husband, closer to 40 than 4 (although sometimes I wonder) wants BLT. Thanks!
 
Hi guys...the Hawaii fact sheet on dvcnew.com says "480 two bedroom equivelants..." does that mean only 2 bedrooms or does that mean they will be all one bedrooms plus studios which can be linked into 480 two bedrooms?

They will be some combination of dedicated Two Bedroom villas (which can only be reserved as a 2B) and lockoff Two Bedrooms (which can be reserved separately as a Studio and One Bedroom.) The two units take up about the same space with just a few design variations (connecting door, no kitchenette in dedicated, etc.) Disney itself may not have yet decided how many will be dedicated and how many lockoffs, but rest assured there will be Studios and One Bedrooms available for guests.
 
Also, anyone want to give their two cents on whether to stay BLT or VWL on next trip, until now have only stayed AKV. Boy 4 years wants the "cowboy hotel" (vwl)---husband, closer to 40 than 4 (although sometimes I wonder) wants BLT. Thanks!

When is your next trip again? BLT open September 1, if you own there you can start booking on March 1, if not, March 15. It would be cool to stay there because it is new. I love VWL I they your bou would too.

There is always next trip, try one this time and try the other one next time.
 
Save your money. That should be around 150-160 points per year for a 2 BR for a week every 3 years. Assuming financial recovery before then, maybe almost $20K buy in.
Interesting. So your figuring points/night will be slightly more than MK view at BLT, with a heft purchase price / point premium thrown in.

Do you know how the $60,000/week cost you expect from DVC compares to what it would take to buy non-DVC Hawaii timeshares today - either direct or resale?
 
Interesting. So your figuring points/night will be slightly more than MK view at BLT, with a heft purchase price / point premium thrown in.

Do you know how the $60,000/week cost you expect from DVC compares to what it would take to buy non-DVC Hawaii timeshares today - either direct or resale?
Not really. A full week in a MK view is 468 points for Magic and 615 Premier. I am assuming that the majority of the time most people will want to go will be Magic or Premier. My GUESS is Premier will be weeks 5-16 (Feb to late April), 23-34 (summer) and 51-52 (Xmas, NY) with Jan, summer shoulder and much of the Fall Magic or somewhere in that idea. I'm assuming 3 seasons total which will likely put May, some of the fall and Early Dec to Choice or Dream). There certain could be more seasons but I think the higher ones will remain fairly constant to my guess above. OR they could expand Premier a bit (Jan, summer shoulder) and skip over Magic as at HH. The Marriott's are all Platinum year around with a couple of carve out weeks that are Platinum Plus for Xmas and NY. One can currently buy an Every Other Year Mountain view at the Marriott next door for around $8K or less plus closing with yearly fees around $1500, lockoff. All you give up is Marriott reward points, a ripoff anyway compared to the extra costs to buy direct. And while the difference between the costs for Marriott's and DVC in Orlando is actually that much or more, there is no WDW to differentiate in HI. It'll basically be a choice between two great resorts and the flexibility or lack of that each bring to the table. Retail prices for the Marriott for a 2 BR are in the $25-35K ranger for a week, as you point out, DVC could be $50K or more for a 2 BR for a week That, DVC's historically passive sales nature and a couple of other items are why I think this resort will once again convince them to abandon off property resorts development. I predict a tough sales road for this resort as while like HH and VB, most members might want to stay there periodically, a relative few will do so routinely.
 













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