Any advice for keeping (older) kids from fighting in lines?

marciemi

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I have 3 boys 9, 11, and 12 and we do a lot of amusement parks near us and every line always results in a battle. Restaurants are nearly as bad, but there usually they can play hangman on the placemat or something. Cars are also a problem, but we have a DVD/VHS in ours for when things get bad or they can always play gameboys.

But in a line, you're stuck. It always goes something like this, "Tell him to stop cutting in front of me. I was there first. No you weren't. I get to sit with mom on this ride. No, you did last time. Stop it. Tell him to tell me what he said about me. No, you stop it. OUCH! Make him stop! I didn't do anything." etc., etc. I try to separate them, but this trip especially (to WDW) most of the time will be me and the 3 of them (DH will be in a convention) so there's no physical way to separate all 3. We only have 3 days to do as much as we can, so I know they'll be tired which will make it worse.

I considered letting them split up, but they're really not ready for that, and both of my younger 2 didn't want to do it (because their older brother would boss them around too much) and I don't want to let the younger two go alone because they just don't have any common sense. I also don't feel comfortable letting the oldest go off all by himself.

Threats don't usually work (something like 3 strikes and you don't get to go in the pool when we get back to the hotel or every time you get in trouble you lose a dollar of spending money) because they do it SO often. If I give them 3 strikes, then they use all 3 in our first line and don't care anymore. Many times we've given them $20 in spending money, and losing a dollar at a time, they've lost it all before the first day is over. Or... they get 2 strikes and spend the rest of the time pleading not to give them the third strike every time they get in trouble or begging to get money back. Basically as frustrating as listening to them fight!

I'm looking more for ways to keep them occupied that you can do in line. I think they're a little old for Pal Mickey and I don't want to be the one stuck carrying him around. The one time I let them carry Gameboys in line, 2 fought anyways, the gameboy fell to the concrete and never worked again.

Some successes: 1. Yarn to play Jacob's Ladder, Cat's Cradle, etc. but we've done this about a zillion times. 2. I read about a math game called Hiss, Quack. Since 5's look like snakes, and 2 like ducks, you count from 1 to 100 and any numbers with a 5 or that are multiples of 5, you say HISS instead of the number. Any 2's you say Quack. We added 7's to be Buzz. Obviously a game for an older age group, but it kept them entertained for many times.

Memory games don't seem to work well because whoever misses seems to get all upset when they can't remember.

I'm sure someone out there has to have some similar successes - I'd be glad to hear any tips!
 
Have you ever heard the phrase, "God made a special place in Heaven for the mothers of three boys"? This is why...just what you've described about waiting in line. We leave tomorrow for 8 days and my biggest fear about this trip is that our boys will just push us over the edge with their behavior towards one another. They get upset with each other and don't pay a bit of attention to others around them that may be impacted by their fooling around, shoving or tirades. It drives DH and me crazy...to the point that we wonder why are we doing this big, wonderful (very expensive) trip for them? Anyway, enough of my ranting on about this...we will keep our fingers crossed and hope for the trip and memories of a lifetime.

I also would love to know what tips anyone else has. The only thing that ever seems to work for me is to engage them in "planning ahead" type conversations. My two older ones (10 and 8) each have a book they will bring with them (DW 4 Teens by Teens and DW 4 Kids by Kids). I plan to possibly have the books with us in lines, so they can be reading about the attraction they're waiting for or going to next. Good luck moms of boys!
 
How about Hidden Mickeys? I know that there is a Hidden Mickey book and I think websites that have lists. That might work for 2 or 3 minutes. ;)

We tend to talk to people in line a lot. We had a lot of fun this last trip with my sister, mom, and my 5yo. My 5yo is VERY outgoing and talked to everyone, asking their age, where they were from, what football team they liked, etc, etc. It really broke the ice and we ended up talking to a lot of people.

How about "I Spy" and you could all take turns spotting things.

I do feel your pain--I have 4 kids, 17DD, 14DS, 11DS, and 5DS. My middle two fight a lot, which makes me crazy. There was one trip that we took (to New England) when I was pregnant with my 4th when the kids kept arguing in the car. I was ready to either buy a Suburban so we could spread out a little or I was ready to drop them off somewhere. It was tempting!

Good luck and hopefully the crowds will be light and you won't have many long lines.

T&B
 
Here are some ideas:

I spy

concentration (that's when eveybody has to take turns saying a word from a category such as food, animals, body parts, names, or anything you can think of. There is clapping and a rythm to it)

word game where the first person says a word, the second person says a word that starts with the last letter of first persons word, the person starts their word with the last letter of the second persons word, and so on

Imaginary hide and seek. One person thinks of a place they are hiding (could be in the kitchen cabinet at home, could be on the top of mt everest, could be under their bed, could be swimming in the pool, could be on the top of the eiffel tower, could be in a pyramid. The others taks turns asking yes and no questions until they guess where the player is "hiding"

Guess the character. One person thinks up what character they are (you can decide to limit to only disney, or only TV people, or only famous people) the others take turns asking yes and no questions until someone guesses who the person is.

note pad and pen for tic tac toe, hangman, the game where you connect the dots to make squares, also a fun variation on tic tac toe is you loose if you get three in a row

mad libs

I agree that threats and bribes backfire. I think positive reinforcement helps. Give them lots of attention and praise when they are playing nicely and waiting patiently.
 

My boys don't seem very interested in the Planning ahead. I got them the for kids/by kids book and tried to encourage them to read it, but not much luck. I agree it's frustrating when you're doing so much for them and they don't care! I'm seriously considering the Gameboys in line, but then you get into the "Wait, I can't save yet.." as you reach the front of the line or "He's using the only game in the world that I want to play right now!"

DH & I discussed splitting up during the 2 evening he's with us (he'd take one and I'd get 2), but he asks "Are we really such bad parents that we can't even go to Disneyworld with our family without everyone fighting?" I mean, it's one thing to divide up at the mall or something to keep peace, but Disney is the kind of thing that you'd like to do as a family!

My oldest is being SO bad lately (& is usually the main problem). I keep threatening that we'll leave him home (with Grandma) and bring one of my youngest's best friends instead (since I've already paid for air and tickets). Most people we know (and nearly all their friends) have NEVER been to WDW and would do anything for the chance. But my kids can't stop fighting enough to care. My oldest is upset because he's going to miss an awards ceremony at school during that time (for their Quiz Bowl team) and my youngest's upset because he's missing the day they have French Toast and his favorite - orange juice - for lunch at school. Do they sound very appreciative?

I did get the Hidden Mickey book, and hope it will help, but am not sure how many of them are while you're in line, as opposed to in an attraction or walking around the park. I also bought a Magical Moments handheld game on Ebay, but since there's only one of them, it'll probably be just one more thing to fight about!

Talking to people in line works for me, but my kids aren't very talkative. If someone talked to them, their responses would be "fine, okay, yeah, I don't know". I can't tell you how many times I call home and get hung up on by them because they're done listening before I'm done talking! So I'm afraid this would distract me and allow them to fight more.
 
aec - thanks for some more responses while I was typing. I'll definitely write some of those down. My kids think I Spy is babyish, but it could distract in a pinch. I like Imaginary Hide and Seek and Guess the character - they don't know those so each should get us through at least one line! thanks again!
 
What works for my kids on trips is the "double or nothing" allowance. My 9 year old gets a $3 allowance when we are at home. He just loves to get double! Before we leave on the trip, we outline 1 or 2 behaviors that won't be tolerated (based on what's been driving us crazy lately). If they are good on vacation, then they get a double allowance, but if not, no allowance at all. It seems to really work for us. Good luck!
 
The problem with money is that Grandma and Grandpa give my kids too much! They each have over $200 saved for this trip (and we've only known about it for a couple weeks) from Grandma and Grandpa and I know before we leave they'll give them more "to spend on what they want at WDW". Then I come across like the bad guy when I say they can't spend it because they're bad (or because what they want to buy is just stupid). That's why when we go to Cedar Point (You're a Michigan mom - you should know where that is!) they usually get $20 for the weekend for games, extra snacks (if we're all having a snack I buy them, but if someone HAS to have a lemon chill RIGHT NOW, then they pay for it) and souvenirs (which they don't need many of because we go so often). They're not allowed to spend their own money because otherwise they'd waste it all on games that they can't win! But at Disney I can't restrict them as much, especially if that's what the money's for. We are still debating on Blizzard Beach (weather dependent too) so I may tell them they have to pay for it when if we go then maybe they'll really appreciate it more!
 
What about very serious "time outs". Have a meeting before you go out each day and explain the rules. No fighting in line. Tell them you will give them ONE warning. If it continues, the two (or three?) involved do NOT ride that ride...out you go. I would predict the first half day would be H$!!, but once they know you are serious they will probably shape up.

I think it is great to take a positive approach, but if that doesn't work I think swift, consistent and strong consequences will get their attention. Also, if there are things they always argue about: who is first, who rides with whom, maybe you could resolve the top issues before you begin...each day a specific order is followed all day, etc etch

If they truly don't want to be there, that probably doesn't help. Last trip I did send my husband off with our oldest for a while. She was 16 at the time and was getting antsy having to deal with a 4 and 6 year old. That time away was helpful.

I feel for you :grouphug: I know I put alot of work and money into these trips and it is hard if it seems unappreciated. Good luck!
Anne
 
Oh, I notice that you are going very soon. MLK day itself will probably be a bit busy, but the rest of that week will not be to day (we did it last year). If you follow a good touring plan (unofficial guide, or tour guide mike) you can significantly reduce time in lines! Last year the longest we stood in any line was less than 10 minutes and that was a couple we did "off plan".

Just a thought.

Anne
 
tink - they don't NOT want to be there, they just aren't very appreciative that they ARE. The problem with the missing a ride idea is how to enforce it. I've tried it at other parks (me - "okay, that's it, get out of line and wait for me at the exit", them - "no, I'm sorry, please, I'll be good now, it wasn't my fault, he started it, I'm sorry!") Meanwhile everyone's staring at us like "I can't believe that mom is going to make her poor child miss whatever" and short of physically carrying one of them out of line (which I can't do with my 5'4" 12 year old) there's not much I can do without creating a huge scene.

We did already write contracts about how they'll behave in line and that if I tell them they'll leave, they will, without arguing, or they will not go on any rides for the rest of that park. But I'll believe that will happen when I see it!

The hard part about resolving recurring issues is that a lot of times the issues are as simple as whatever one wants, so does another. If DS12 says he wants to sit with me, immediately DS11 will be screaming it's not fair, HE wanted to sit with me, etc. But if DS12 said instead that he wanted to sit with DS9, immediately DS11 would scream THAT wasn't fair. That makes it hard to resolve beforehand! But maybe we'll try to figure out things a few rides ahead of time (ok, I'm sitting with A on Buzz here, when we get to Space I'll sit with B and with C on Splash). But they'd still find a way to argue (he got to sit with you on the BETTER ride!)

The most frustrating thing is that alone all 3 of them are such good kids. They get along with everyone at school, their teachers tell me how wonderful they are, and I love going out anywhere with any one of them because we have such a good time. But put the 3 together (even 2 a lot of the time) and it's like they're 2 year olds again crying about the most unimportant thing (I wanted to go on the RED Dumbo). We're constantly telling them to listen to themselves and what they're fighting about because it's SO trivial! Thanks for the help!
 
I agree that they should know who stands where in line and who sits with whom before they enter the line. Would they like pen trading? You could get them a lanyard so they could trade with others in line. If they are bad they lose a pin if they are good they gain one, the person with the most pins at the end of the day wins a special prize.
 
Daisy - they did dig out their lanyards from our Disneyland trip 2 years ago. I also bought them each about 10 extras (pins) to trade from ebay. Maybe that will keep them occupied some in line - at least it would give them something to talk about with other people! Thanks!
 
Well, I have two GIRLS so I know I can’t feel your pain. But they act up sometimes too even in line at WDW. I am a middle of three boys and I know me and my brothers drove my mom crazy any chance we got (I think we still do).

I am not sure if any of the solutions given to you or what you have thought of are going to work. My advice…Let’m fight. Believe me, they are only doing it because they know it bothers you and they are trying to get attention. Their “game” is to see how much we can irritate mom. And the other stuff like the allowance and timeouts and all that is all about how can we get around these rules. That is the way they amuse themselves. You are probably an extremely nice and considerate person and that is why your kids fighting bothers you because you know it is annoying others in line. My wife is the same way. When my angels are acting up she tries everything but the more she threatens them the more they act up. Start just letting them carry on and rant and rave with you ignoring them and see what happens. Sure enough, they’ll give up. Give it try at home and see how it goes…
 
I like the contract idea. Kids need to know where they stand, what is expected and what will happen if that behavior is not where it should be. I think the biggest thing is following through on what ever you choose as a consiquence. If you say fighting equals missing a ride, You must follow through EVERY time. Don't worry about what anyone else thinks or says. They have either been there or they don't have a clue. It has to be made clear that you have the control.
positive reinforcment is great too. No fighting equals getting to choose the next ride. Find ways for the boys to team up work togeter. If all else fail make the rule that if anyone fights, they all miss a ride or return to the room.
We did WDW with three boys 9, 11 , and 12 last year and had a blast. The rules were clear and inforced without delay. Only once did one of them miss a ride and that took care of all three. Good luck!!!

Jordans' mom
 
Sounds like you do have your hands full! Our second WDW trip was not fun because our two middle children, then 7 and 10, fought like crazy, complained about everything, etc. We'd bought APs for that trip with the intention of returning the next summer to do warm weather stuff, Universal, and other things that we didn't have time for in January. We really rethought the summer return trip. We did end up going, but we did two things. One, we really spelled out the rules and the consequences for they acted up. One thing I remember is that we were going to hire a sitter and go out without the kids who were misbehaving. Also, I really toned down on my plans for the vacation and put more pool and leisure time into the schedule. We ended up having a great trip, partially because I did some things differently and partially because my expectations were not real high that we'd have a good time.

Last year we were to Universal for Spring break to use of the tail end of APs. My kids at this point were 16, 13, 10, and 4yo. My daughter, the oldest was the most difficult, ungrateful child you could ever imagine and told me that "nobody asked her what she wanted to do for spring break" and that she'd rather be home with her friends. My 13yo was better, but still didn't appreciate the vacation. We'd planned a WDW trip for this month and decided against it at first and then it was decided that I would go and bring only my 3rd child, now 11yo. I went last month with my now 5yo. As hard as it is we decided not to reward bratty behavior of our children yet again and they were pretty shocked and upset by it.

My other thought about your sistuation is have you and your husband thought about taking a trip to WDW just the two of you? Not instead of this trip, but in addition. My DH and I did that this fall and had a great time.

T&B
 
It's too late for this trip, but when I read your posts, you say you threaten, but nothing works. You should follow through with your threats every time, and maybe it will sink in that you mean business. If you say they can't swim, don't let them swim. Same with the money or taking away of other benefits. If they know you issue hollow threats, they won't care. Your kids are old enough to know how to behave in public, without something to "do" every minute.
 
The following through on threats doesn’t work because they become more annoying groveling or crying after you have punished them. Plus, who do you know actually pulls their kids out of line or the park after just paying mucho $$ to get in??

You said it yourself: you have good kids. They are smart and do well in school. Give them a little slack and see what happens…
 
i'm going to be a bit brutal here and say it sounds more like it's your problem than the kids... they get away with what they get away with because you let them... they are unappreciative because they have too much (whether from g'ma or whomever... you're their parent, if g'ma gives them $200, you have the right to put $175 in their savings accounts!)... they will only misbehave if you let them, and they will only take you seriously if you take yourself seriously... empty threats are entertaining!

here's what i would do... review the contract, let them know that you are willing to get out of line with them and let the other two boys ride together... or maybe make it a group effort and if one is bad, all three suffer... your choice... my guess is you would only have to remove one boy from one line before they take you seriously again...

another thought is since there are three of them and you have three days, designate each day to one boy... put their names in a hat and the first one you pull sits w/mom on everything for day one, second name is your boy for day two and third on day three... even steven! the end!

in addition to all the other line waiting games is our family's fave... 20 questions... we play animal 20 questions, character 20 questions, color 20 questions, etc... it's fun and takes up just the right amount of time...

good luck and enjoy!
 
My first suggestion is to try to avoid the situations that may degenerate into fighting: you are going during a slow time - get to the parks at opening and you can ride a number of rides with little or no waiting - thus no time for fighting. Second, feed them before they get too hungry - this is a mistake that I've made as they get hungry before I do, but don't always say anything until they are in a bad mood. Third, plan for an afternoon break at the swimming pool if it is warm enough (or something else that is restful that they like - maybe even (horror :D ) TV or video games in the room - a nap would probably be better, but they probably won't go for it). Pushing too hard can made people grumpy and reduce everyone's enjoyment. (Another mistake I've made)

So after reducing the likehood of fighting, you then have to know how you are going to deal with it when it still happens. I know this is hard, because it means denying yourself, not just the kids that are acting up. Unless it is very clear who is causing the problems, I would probably enforce the penalty (getting out of line, timeout on a bench, etc) for all of them. (After all, you don't want more fighting about who is at fault.) Just be matter of fact and firm about it. (I know, easier said than done.)

Good luck, and who knows, maybe your boys will surprise you. Have a good trip.
 


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