Another bogus lawsuit for disney!!!!!

[DisneyFanGuy]

It's not insensitive to communicate a dress code when hiring, and enforce it consistently with everyone. That is professional, and fair for everyone. It's also the right of anyone to sue anyone over anything. Our courts can and should decide on the merit.

Religion is very personal. The woman involved is probably very sincere, and believes that Disney is wrong. I certainly don't condemn her for feeling that way.

This reminds me of the suit against Hooters back in the 90s. A class action lawsuit was brought against them by a group of men who wished to be hired on as servers. They felt that their civil rights were violated by Hooters having a more, uh, specific hiring profile for their table attendants.

Hooters was eventually proven correct because they considered their servers "performers", and just as a movie may only consider actors who fit the profile of a role, Hooters was allowed to communicate and select according to their profile. They also enforce a very specific dress code. LOL!

I employ people of various religions and backgrounds as servers. We have a very specific dress code and we are ok if we enforce in with everyone and don't change things for specific people in the middle of the process. Disney will be fine if they have enforced their dress code with everyone consistently. If they haven't, then they deserve to be penalized. You cannot allow religious dress differences with some employees and not with others. That's where they would get in trouble.

 

[katerkat]

Originally posted by DisneyFanGuy
This reminds me of the suit against Hooters back in the 90s. A class action lawsuit was brought against them by a group of men who wished to be hired on as servers. They felt that their civil rights were violated by Hooters having a more, uh, specific hiring profile for their table attendants.

Hooters was eventually proven correct because they considered their servers "performers", and just as a movie may only consider actors who fit the profile of a role, Hooters was allowed to communicate and select according to their profile. They also enforce a very specific dress code. LOL!

Actually, Hooter's semi-lost this suit. They may not have to hire men, but they did have to pay several thousand dollars to men who applied to work there within several years in a class action suit. The student president of my college applied at a Hooters the summer before he started college, and received a check during his senior year. Made quite a story!

 

[grinningghost]

Originally posted by JenBlaze


Your level of intolerance just stuns me. It's attitudes like yours that make people who are not Christian and/or white afraid for their personal safety and civil rights.

This has me laughing a little, sorry. If you were to come face to face with me, you would probably feel very silly making that statement - I don't think I could scare anyone.

How tolerant is it for you to tell me that religion shouldn't be private? That's my opinion and in America we have that right, don't we?

But back to the topic. I am very tolerant of Muslim women wearing headscarves. You will not see me ripping the scarf off a woman in the local mall. She has the right to wear it and I respect that. The topic refers to wearing a headcover at WORK. Where the dress code does not allow it.

WDW, as repeated over and over, is a fantasy vacation destination. The employees are "cast members" who are in "costume". A headscarf worn along with a specific costume is going to ruin the effect. It's nothing more than that. You wouldn't wear a pink feather boa along with a 4 star general costume - it would look stupid. I don't know if I can find any words to make that more clear.

 

[Bob O]

We may be a "so-called baby" compared to other countries in the world but due to our american culture we have in short order and rather easily out-distanced these countires in technology/medicine/living conditions/standard of living and why when they have problems they come begging to get some help from the taxpayers of this great country.
As for this country being a melting pot, it is true that people from all over the world have come to these shores and became citizens and part of being a citizen is assmiliating into being an american first and a member of your old country second.
Some people i guess perfer to live in the 14 or 15th century where woman are treated worse than animals and that is fine if they choose to do so, just dont try to make americans act in the same manner that is common place in the middle east at the current time!!!

 

[Lisa loves Pooh]

Some people i guess perfer to live in the 14 or 15th century where woman are treated worse than animals and that is fine if they choose to do so, just dont try to make americans act in the same manner that is common place in the middle east at the current time!!!

Maybe I missed something--umm...we are talking about a woman who 'chose' to wear her scarf--she isn't trying to force others to do anything except allow her to wear something. Nor is her spouse requiring other woman to do the same. Why do people always assume that when someone (especially women) does something different, then they are imposing it on everyone? Yes it is frivilous in the lawsuit category--but the statement has nothing to do with the topic of her personal lawsuit with disney.

Additionally--are we debating her merits of being in the US? I don't know if she is an American citizen--native born or otherwise. There are many american born cultures that adopt what 'regular' people might assume to be strange or demoralizing to woman--but that is the brilliance of this country. We have the right to practice and live our lives according to our faith. (Obviously within law--if your faith says to go steal property or harm people--obviously--you do not have the right to do that!!!)

In regards to this woman--her culture may mandate it--but she lived just fine for years not following the customs of her religion. She chose to after she had a baby--only she knows why and if it was her free choice--or at the urging of others. We will never know. However--her assumption that it is her entitlement to not have to follow the rules of work because of her religion--then she needs to find a job that is more accomodating. It is like for Christian (or Jewish religions)--if your job requires employees to work Sunday hours (or Saturday hours) and you refuse--they have every right to terminate you. Basically find a job to accomodate your schedule/personal requirements if your faith is that strong to compel you not to work on those days or follow a particular dress code.

As Disneyfanguy said--as long as Disney is enforcing it across the board--then the lawsuit is frivilous. If she has witnesses and has evidence that shows that Disney consistently allows the jewish men to wear their Yamakes (sp? sorry), the catholics are allowed to wear crucifixes, and other faiths can wear whatever relics their faiths support--then she totally has a case. I don't believe this to be the case--and therefor think she is wasting the courts time.

Whose next?

 

[PKS44]

Originally posted by Bob O
We may be a "so-called baby" compared to other countries in the world but due to our american culture we have in short order and rather easily out-distanced these countires in technology/medicine/living conditions/standard of living and why when they have problems they come begging to get some help from the taxpayers of this great country.
As for this country being a melting pot, it is true that people from all over the world have come to these shores and became citizens and part of being a citizen is assmiliating into being an american first and a member of your old country second.
Some people i guess perfer to live in the 14 or 15th century where woman are treated worse than animals and that is fine if they choose to do so, just dont try to make americans act in the same manner that is common place in the middle east at the current time!!!

Keep digging -your comments show an ignorance of what it is that allowed us to out-distance those other countries in the fields you mention...it has nothing to do with what you are calling american culture...it has to do with what you are trying to quash--the wide open welcome we roll out for anyone based on the merit of what they can bring to the marketplace....the reasons we have succeeded is that we attract and nourish the best and brightest based on what they produce--what they do--not what they believe relgiously or culturally---we don't care what their pedigree is or their faith--anyone has the opportunity to pursue happiness and in so doing everyone's happiness is expanded because you can't get happy unless you are providing something that makes others happy...REAL American Culture is nothing more or less than the distillation of the best of a wide open menu of options that anyone can offer=regardless of dress, relgion, color, etc...

and I still think the Muslim lady has no legal basis for this lawsuit for the record but she should be free to open her own resort and allow Muslims to wear hajibs and if she succeeds in the marketplace over Disney it will only because people freely chose her place...that is how it works...FREEDOM is the important American value--it is amazing how many so called Americans fail to appreciate that and want to force their view of culture on the minority...

Paul

 

[KNWVIKING]

Few points from meandering through this thread in no particular order:

A Christian wearing a discrete Cross necklace is hardly comparable to a woman wearing a hijib. The necklace is not distracting, it does not become "the show".

As a guest or citizen of the USA she is not being denied her right to religious freedom. People in this country have the right to smoke cigarettes. But you don't have the right to smoke them in my house.

Our country is a great melting pot. What's that mean ? Doesn't it mean "one from many" ? If you put a box of Crayolas into a melting pot & came back a month later, would you see a single color, or 64 individual colors ? In the past it seemed the imigrants who came to this country had a deep desire to be AMERICAN's. Now, IMO, they want to come to this country to have AMERICAN Rights, but still be who they were. And I'm not talking about not being proud of your heritage or forgetting where you came from, but do you want to be known as an AMERICAN first & foremost, or an " fill in the nationality of your choice" and AMERICAN second.

I imagine that in all religions people are at different levels in their faith. I'm sure there are many people who would call themselves Christians who haven't set foot in a Church or opened a Bible since their mom stopped taking them to Sunday School. Does that mean that a Christian working as bartender who gets "saved", rededicates his life to Christ, should insist the bar owner stop serving liquire ? Or should he realize a bar is not where he should work & move on. If this woman feels that she cannot be a good Muslim without wearing her headgear, then it's she who should make the change, not Disney.

 

[WDSearcher]

Well said, Viking!

 

[zalansky]

To all of you who said this is a frivilous lawsuit - I agree. Our society has become so sue-happy, especially at companies with big bucks like Disney - it is sickening.
Hopefully this woman and her attorney will lose and be required to pay back all of Disney's legal fees and expenses.

 

[Coach Rick]

I would have to agree with the vast majority here. Why is it we have to please and bend to everyone’s whim these days? I don't see it as bigoted to say if someone doesn't like it, then leave. It's a fact!! If you are at a party, and having a bad time, would you stay? No! I may have missed it, but I didn't see anyone here say she HAD to leave. A mere statement that if she didn't like it, the door is open.

I work in a Catholic school, but we have students with other religious beliefs coming to our school, and kids could care less what god each other pray to, however, when they choose to come to our school, they know it is Catholic, and they pray Catholic prayers. Why would they do that? Simple, because it's the education they desire, and they are willing to conform to achieve that education. This situation is quite similar. If she was working within the guidelines set forth by Disney, and then decided to change, then it's time to find another school!!

ok, that's my 2cents...

 

[PKS44]

I think most here all agree that the woman in this suit is wrong...she has no right to make Disney accomodate her...but where I and a few others have a disagreement is that this has ANYTHING at all to do with being an AMERICAN....while I often agree with my Viking friend I think he and Rick and grinning ghost and others could not be more wrong in your assessment of what it is to be an American...our Motto is indeed E Pluribus Unum==from many one...but that is one country dedicated to liberty not one culture...we are not a melting pot...that is an incorrect metaphor...a salad would be far more accurate...wherein each piece retains its individuality but adds to the whole effect...we are a mosaic not melted crayons....and we are all enriched and better for the liberty that allows individuals to retain their individuality--just as eating out a restaurant would be dull if all were forced or encouraged to melt the menu down to some common form--our lives would be dull if we insisted or even strove for a society towards some common denominator culture...we will all be better off if we concentrate on insuring common liberty and letting the marketplace work out the culture...

Paul

 

[KNWVIKING]

but I was just going with the phrase that was already out there. Actually I prefer a stew analogy over your salad. In a salad, the individual ingrediants retain too much of their individuality. In a good stew however, each ingredient shares its flavor as well as is enhanced by the flavor of the others. In this case though, the stew is being ruined by an ingredient that wants to dominate the flavor - sorta like too much ocra in a gumbo.

 

[WDSearcher]

OK ... now I'm getting hungry!

 

[Coach Rick]

Originally posted by PKS44
but where I and a few others have a disagreement is that this has ANYTHING at all to do with being an AMERICAN....while I often agree with my Viking friend I think he and Rick and grinning ghost and others could not be more wrong in your assessment of what it is to be an American...
Paul

Ok! Where in my assessment of the situation did I say it was anti-American? I said IF, and that's a BIG IF you don't like it, then you may leave. If you can tolerate the rules, and culture of this great country, then by all means stay, and contribute. (although I was really suggesting that observation of the job. Let me try again, everyone seems to be saying the lawsuit is just wrong, and IF (oops, I said it again) she doesn't like the rules, then find another job. "The world needs ditch diggers too you know"--Ted Knight in Caddyshack....

Nothing un-American about finding a new job. Stay in country, be productive, and love life...Who knows, maybe in a couple of years she could bye some points at DVC, and vacation there with her scarf all she wants. I hope that was clearer.

 

[caseymaureen]

JenBlaze & PKS44,
Just because you guys are in the minority here, I wanted to let you know I'm on your side. That's all....
Casey

 

[disney1990]

No, a Cast Member cannot wear a cross or any other religious symbol that shows. The cross must be under your costume. It cannot show period.

 

[mike07801]

I think Disney should prevail. It is reasonable that they should require employees to dress a certain way. They require ALL employees in these positions to dress the same way, so there is no discrimination.

 

[wishuponastarforever]

Originally posted by Bob O
WDW is suppossed to be an escape from "reality" and that is one of the many reasons i love wdw, it gets me away from what i have to deal with at work on a daily basis.
I have never seen any cm wear any type of religious attire. The cm's are given uniforms for a very specific reason and purpose and as part of the theming you would never see a cm in uniform from one area in the park walking in a different part of the park, it is all part of the show which makes wdw special, and this would be diminshied if cm's are allowed to wear anything they want for religious reasons.
If this is allowed what if the next cm is a devil worshipper and wants to wear something that they state is important to that religion. Once you go down this slippery slope and let cm's wear anything they cliam to be part of there religion how can disney ever enforce uniform standards.

DITTO - I could not agree more!

 

[Karl C]

A dress code is just that.
A "Dress Code".
You know it going in, you agreed to it at sign on.
The point is mute. The frame work is set.
CM's attire relates to wear they work. End of story.
If they are in a backstage area, well that could a different story.
The public at large is not involved and the theam might be white/ blue collar instead. Like the rest of the country.
If a compromise cannot be worked out between the party's concerned to reach middle ground, then both party's have a business/personel decision to make don't they.
So if and when it gets that far and someone is still not happy, well I guess thats what they made lawyers for.
The jist of it is that after everything is said and done, thats how America really works, agree with it or not.
My point being Nobody gets it 100% their way in a case like this, it's just to bad people can't see that.

 

[johare]

Barring Muslim garb at pool gets city sued

When she falls into the pool and her 'costume' drags her to the bottom, I hope nobody bothers to jump in to save her.