An aerial look at Avatar and new behind the scenes details

[TheMaxRebo]

Gotcha. I didn't know either of those.

I have to admit... my son would have LOVED Beastly Kingdom, lol.

well, he can go over to Universal Orlando and ride Dragon Challenge which was originally designed for Beastly Kingdom

 

[DanBoris]

The expiration dates are one year from the permit issue date unless otherwise requested. As far as I know it is arbitrary--- by requesting a later date, it will save the possibility of needing to file an extension for long running projects.--- It is required for the project to pass an inspection at minimum every 6 months to keep the permit in active status. this info is accurate in the counties I work in. Although the FL building code is "unified", the counties all seem to have their own interpretations.

As someone who reads every Disney permit, I wouldn't say that they are arbitrary. Some dates seem a little more arbitrary then others, but I have often found that they can be a good guideline for estimating how big the project is and when it will be done. Filing for an extension doesn't seem to be a big deal, they have done it recently for both the Fantasyland Expansion and the DS garages.

 

[beer dave]

As someone who reads every Disney permit, I wouldn't say that they are arbitrary. Some dates seem a little more arbitrary then others, but I have often found that they can be a good guideline for estimating how big the project is and when it will be done. Filing for an extension doesn't seem to be a big deal, they have done it recently for both the Fantasyland Expansion and the DS garages.

I didn't mean disney's expiration dates were arbitrary--- I meant that the date anyone can select for the expiration date of their permit is I believe arbitrary.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

 

[disneydeegs]

I'm really excited for this land to open, the rock work you can see from the parking lot is amazing.

 

[DanBoris]

I didn't mean disney's expiration dates were arbitrary--- I meant that the date anyone can select for the expiration date of their permit is I believe arbitrary.

The notices of commencement are filed by the contractors, so I would think they would want to be as accurate with the expiration date as possible since that is the date they need to be paid by.

 

[beer dave]

The notices of commencement are filed by the contractors, so I would think they would want to be as accurate with the expiration date as possible since that is the date they need to be paid by.

I don't even know where to go with this.....

The notice of commencement is filed by the contractor to make the building authority aware that construction has started.

It must be filed prior to first inspection.

The permit will expire at any time where there is no progress (passed inspection) for 180 days.

If the permit expires, an extension can be obtained for a fee.

I don't really know why the expiration date is on the permit-- estimated time of construction? It is one year from issue unless otherwise noted by contractor during application process.

The expiration date on the permit has no bearing on the contractual bind between the contractor and the customer-- it is between the contractor and the building authority. Unless the construction contract has an agreement written into it which uses this date as a basis for final draw, there is no connection.

Enough of this. OT.

 

[rteetz]

I don't even know where to go with this.....

The notice of commencement is filed by the contractor to make the building authority aware that construction has started.

It must be filed prior to first inspection.

The permit will expire at any time where there is no progress (passed inspection) for 180 days.

If the permit expires, an extension can be obtained for a fee.

I don't really know why the expiration date is on the permit-- estimated time of construction? It is one year from issue unless otherwise noted by contractor during application process.

The expiration date on the permit has no bearing on the contractual bind between the contractor and the customer-- it is between the contractor and the building authority. Unless the construction contract has an agreement written into it which uses this date as a basis for final draw, there is no connection.

Enough of this. OT.

Don't all permits have an expiration date? If they don't its automatic one year from approval or whatever. The expiration date on Disney related permits usually gives an indication about when a project should be completed by but the date itself is really when the contractor has to be paid in full by it doesn't always indicate project completion as in the case of Avatar.

 

[beer dave]

Don't all permits have an expiration date? If they don't its automatic one year from approval or whatever. The expiration date on Disney related permits usually gives an indication about when a project should be completed by but the date itself is really when the contractor has to be paid in full by it doesn't always indicate project completion as in the case of Avatar.

So by this logic the contractor gets paid even if he is not finished? I guarantee you it has nothing to do with pay unless for some reason the contract was written that way. Which I cannot find one reason to do.

The permit has nothing to do with the construction pay schedule. The pay schedule may read x% upon filing notice of commencement, and Final draw upon completion, etc.....

And yes all permits have an expiration date-- we went over this before. 1 year unless otherwise specified. And I still don't know why it is there except to make another way for the building authority to collect more fees....

I don't do large commercial projects, but a permit is a permit. Contracts---that's where there are differences.

 

[beer dave]

From the 2015 fl building code. This is the extent of anything pertaining to expiration.



105.4 Conditions of the permit.

105.4.1 Permit intent. A permit issued shall be construed to be a license to proceed with the work and not as authority to violate, cancel, alter or set aside any of the provisions of the technical codes, nor shall issuance of a permit prevent the building official from thereafter requiring a correction of errors in plans, construction or violations of this code. Every permit issued shall become invalid unless the work authorized by such permit is commenced within six months after its issuance, or if the work authorized by such permit is suspended or abandoned for a period of six months after the time the work is commenced.

105.4.1.1 If work has commenced and the permit is revoked, becomes null and void, or expires because of lack of progress or abandonment, a new permit covering the proposed construction shall be obtained before proceeding with the work.

105.4.1.2 If a new permit is not obtained within 180 days from the date the initial permit became null and void, the building official is authorized to require that any work which has been commenced or completed be removed from the building site. Alternately, a new permit may be issued on application, providing the work in place and required to complete the structure meets all applicable regulations in effect at the time the initial permit became null and void and any regulations which may have become effective between the date of expiration and the date of issuance of the new permit.

105.4.1.3 Work shall be considered to be in active progress when the permit has received an approved inspection within 180 days. This provision shall not be applicable in case of civil commotion or strike or when the building work is halted due directly to judicial injunction, order or similar process.

105.4.1.4 The fee for renewal reissuance and extension of a permit shall be set forth by the administrative authority.

 

[rteetz]

So by this logic the contractor gets paid even if he is not finished? I guarantee you it has nothing to do with pay unless for some reason the contract was written that way. Which I cannot find one reason to do.

The permit has nothing to do with the construction pay schedule. The pay schedule may read x% upon filing notice of commencement, and Final draw upon completion, etc.....

And yes all permits have an expiration date-- we went over this before. 1 year unless otherwise specified. And I still don't know why it is there except to make another way for the building authority to collect more fees....

I don't do large commercial projects, but a permit is a permit. Contracts---that's where there are differences.

These documents we see are also not really permits exactly but notices of commencements which means work will begin soon. That might have something to do with. I've always gone off of what @DanBoris says he's followed Disney permits for as long as I've been on Disney message boards.

 

[Virtucomp]

I agree with that. For me, Animal Kingdom is about, well.... animals (Which as I'm typing I now remember that I knew there wouldn't be animals, I just forgot. Brain fog. Anyways.) So, while I do love the design of it etc... I just didn't think it fit with the overall theme of AK, which is based on REAL lands and real animals, not fictitious ones (I know many argue DinoLand doesn't really fit either, and I agree with them, but at least dinosaurs were real at one point). I look at Avatarland as being similar (though on a grander scale) to the Frozen in Norway debate. Honestly, I would have preferred the new land be based off a real area, Australia for example, could have been really neat. In fact, it would be nice if they could eventually do all the continents.

But at any rate, all that said - as I see it coming together, more images of what it will be like etc... I admit I'm excited despite my initial disappointment.

I agree with the imagined vs real animal problem but as long as the ridiculous carnival game section is still in Dino-land they can put any fake/imaged lands they want at any park.

 

[DanBoris]

From the 2015 fl building code. This is the extent of anything pertaining to expiration.



105.4 Conditions of the permit.

105.4.1 Permit intent. A permit issued shall be construed to be a license to proceed with the work and not as authority to violate, cancel, alter or set aside any of the provisions of the technical codes, nor shall issuance of a permit prevent the building official from thereafter requiring a correction of errors in plans, construction or violations of this code. Every permit issued shall become invalid unless the work authorized by such permit is commenced within six months after its issuance, or if the work authorized by such permit is suspended or abandoned for a period of six months after the time the work is commenced.

105.4.1.1 If work has commenced and the permit is revoked, becomes null and void, or expires because of lack of progress or abandonment, a new permit covering the proposed construction shall be obtained before proceeding with the work.

105.4.1.2 If a new permit is not obtained within 180 days from the date the initial permit became null and void, the building official is authorized to require that any work which has been commenced or completed be removed from the building site. Alternately, a new permit may be issued on application, providing the work in place and required to complete the structure meets all applicable regulations in effect at the time the initial permit became null and void and any regulations which may have become effective between the date of expiration and the date of issuance of the new permit.

105.4.1.3 Work shall be considered to be in active progress when the permit has received an approved inspection within 180 days. This provision shall not be applicable in case of civil commotion or strike or when the building work is halted due directly to judicial injunction, order or similar process.

105.4.1.4 The fee for renewal reissuance and extension of a permit shall be set forth by the administrative authority.

What you have posted pertains to permits, but what we are talking about is Notices of Commencement, which we have gotten into the bad habit of calling permits.

From the Florida Building code:

713.13 (c). If the contract between the owner and a contractor named in the notice of commencement expresses a period of time for completion for the construction of the improvement greater than 1 year, the notice of commencement must state that it is effective for a period of 1 year plus any additional period of time. Any payments made by the owner after the expiration of the notice of commencement are considered improper payments.

This is even stated on the expiration section of the NOC form.

 

[DanBoris]

What you have posted pertains to permits, but what we are talking about is Notices of Commencement, which we have gotten into the bad habit of calling permits.

From the Florida Building code:

713.13 (c). If the contract between the owner and a contractor named in the notice of commencement expresses a period of time for completion for the construction of the improvement greater than 1 year, the notice of commencement must state that it is effective for a period of 1 year plus any additional period of time. Any payments made by the owner after the expiration of the notice of commencement are considered improper payments.

This is even stated on the expiration section of the NOC form.

Bottom line is, over the years I have been reading the permits, I have found times that the expiration dates were useful. If you don't find them useful, then that's up to you.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

So the current raging debates are over the schedule of computer modeled faux rocks and the opening date of a water show?

I think that was the general plot of Jaws 3D.

My point? This is what happens when park stagnation sets in...exactly what happens...

Still 2 hour wait for the zippy dippy coaster at magic kingdom which opened 4? 5? Years ago...

Just saying

 

[rteetz]

So the current raging debates are over the schedule of computer modeled faux rocks and the opening date of a water show?

I think that was the general plot of Jaws 3D.

My point? This is what happens when park stagnation sets in...exactly what happens...

Still 2 hour wait for the zippy dippy coaster at magic kingdom which opened 4? 5? Years ago...

Just saying

Time must fly in your head. We are only about 2.5 years from opening of Mine Train. It opened in May 2014.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Time must fly in your head. We are only about 2.5 years from opening of Mine Train. It opened in May 2014.

I actually thought it was early 13...
My bad...

So the turd has slightly more polish...

Expect more. These "you mean ROL still isn't open?!?!?!? " threads are a manifestation of a bigger problem. Don't let up as consumer. You ARE paying about 15% more each time.

 

[Planogirl]

Only Disney fans would have so much to say about rocks.

I admit that I'm pretty excited about this too.

 

[rteetz]

 

[rteetz]