America - History?

[jennyanydots]

Originally posted by WDWHound
My last name is Lancaster. We were the winners in a little English war involving roses that you might remember. I have a friend whose last name is York. When we were introduced, his first comment was "Well, this should be interesting. You know, we never really lost. We're just lying in wait". (LOL)

I think you've got it wrong. the last legitimate English King was Richard III, the son of the Duke of York, slain as Bosworth Field by that usurper Henry Tudor -- who claimed to have inherited the rights of the Lancaster line...but his claim was not valid.

Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this son of York...

 

[WDWHound]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
I think you've got it wrong. the last legitimate English King was Richard III, the son of the Duke of York, slain as Bosworth Field by that usurper Henry Tudor -- who claimed to have inherited the rights of the Lancaster line...but his claim was not valid.

Now is the winter of our discontent
Made glorious summer by this son of York...

Sorry, but I'm not wrong. Henry had blood ties to the Lancasters, who also suppported him in to helping defeat Richard. Granted, the blood tie were not strong and Henry's position was weak,thus the whole Tudor Rose bit which merged the bloodlines of Lancaster and York to stablize the situation.

Henry’s Lancaster blood line came through is mother, Margaret Beaufort, a descendant of Edward III through John of Gaunt, Duke of Lancaster and his third wife Katherine Swynford. As I mentioned, it was a pretty far removed relation, but most of those with stong blood ties had been killed in the war, making Henry's grab for the crown possible.

Here are a few links that back this up.
http://www.pbcalumni.org/fpm/EarlyHISTORY/warofroses.htm

http://guweb2.gonzaga.edu/faculty/wheeler/War_of_Roses.html

http://www.geocities.com/Area51/Cavern/5123/faq.html

http://tudorhistory.org/people/beaufort/

 

[jennyanydots]

Henry's blood ties were from the wrong side of the blanket. that's why he needed to marry Elizabeth of York. and that's why he needed to kill the two princes in the Tower and blame it on Richard.

(I had a high school teacher who was a member of the Richard III Society and I wrote an extensive research paper on the subject when I majored in history in college.)





















for the rest of the board -- the York/Lancaster debate, the death of the two princes, and the legitimacy of the reign of Henry VII is an unsolved mystery that has been debated since the 16th century. historians feel as passionate about their view as we do about Bush and Cheney.

 

[WDWHound]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
Henry's blood ties were from the wrong side of the blanket. that's why he needed to marry Elizabeth of York. and that's why he needed to kill the two princes in the Tower and blame it on Richard.

(I had a high school teacher who was a member of the Richard III Society and I wrote an extensive research paper on the subject when I majored in history in college.)

for the rest of the board -- the York/Lancaster debate, the death of the two princes, and the legitimacy of the reign of Henry VII is an unsolved mystery that has been debated since the 16th century. historians feel as passionate about their view as we do about Bush and Cheney.

Yup, I will agree that the matter has been up for debate for years. There are good agruments on both sides, though I've always leaned in favor of Henry's claim being valid (for obvious reasons).

 

[Tiziminchac]

Originally posted by jennyanydots
the requirements in NY high schools right now include two years of global studies (I think it breaks down to 1 year of european history and one year of Asia/Africa/south America) and one year of American history.

How are the math classes in N.Y.?

 

[NMAmy]

I learned about all these events in school. Now the funny thing is, DH is British and went to some fancy schmancy school and has quite a good education. I'm not sure if he's forgotten his British history or blocked it out because when we went to visit last summer, I found myself explaining a lot of history about Henry VIII and Elizabeth when we went to Hampton Court and the Tower of London. He kept asking me, "How can you know more about this than me?"

 

[jennyanydots]

I think I've read as many romance novels set in elizabeth's court as I've read actual elizabethan hisotry. it's a very intriguing period.

as for math in NY -- I'm not quite sure, it's changed a lot since I was in school. when I was a student we took algebra in 9th grade, geometry in 10th and trignometry in 11th. now they have Math A and Math B -- I think it's something called "sequential math" -- my daughter will be a freshman in september so I guess I'll find out, right?

 

[jennyanydots]

and WDWHound -- I'm still trying to figure out how John of Gaunt could have legitimate heirs with Catherine Swynford while married to someone else at the time those kids were born.


(just your typical medieval adultery scandal...)

 

[faithinkarma]

I think I've read as many romance novels set in elizabeth's court as I've read actual elizabethan hisotry. it's a very intriguing period.

Do I smell a Jean Plaidy fan?

 

[jennyanydots]

Jean Plaidy...yeah, I've read some of her stuff...and some of the things she wrote as Victoria Holt...

 

[faithinkarma]

I have to admit I am not a romance novel person. But I loved all of Plaidys books. The fact that she used real historical figures as her characters and made all the stories seem so plausible. They certainly followed true historical facts. Her books added depth to the people who had been pretty dry characters in history books, to me at least.