Amazon selling book for pedophiles

[hambirg]

If you've loved Amazon before, then you've loved them while they have sold things like this. I worked there '99 to '02 and we sold stuff like that then AND dealt with backlash from people like most on this thread.

They are a seller of items. This is an item. If you wrote a book about something would you want them to say "nope, not going to sell it, I don't agree with the content"? No.

You loved them while they were selling things like this, and you can still love them now.



It doesn't sound like it *advocates* anything. It sounds like a very poorly written probably self-published thing that (from the description) tells people to not be obvious. Which I would think people doing this would know already (and by writing a book any secrets are given out to everyone, including officers of the law).


I think it's nasty that people like that exist, and I think they are showing their obvious lack of intelligence by writing books like this, but it's waaaaay too slippery of a slope. Amazon has always taken a very strong stance against censorship, and as difficult as it was to take calls from rabid people about it (while NO ONE was buying the books people were in a lather about), and as simple it would have made my life if they'd caved, I do support their not wanting to cave in on the stance.


Amazon also has protected peoples' order information recently, along with their salestax stuff with NC, but I don't see anyone yelling THAT from the rooftops. NC wanted to know what their residents were ordering so they could charge salestax on it, and Amazon said "no you cannot have that information".

To me, it's two sides of the same coin. They will protect this dingbat's right to sell his nonsense, and they will protect the ordering history of their customers.



I wonder just WHO went rooting around in the depths of amazon, to find this, and WHY they did it? Right as the holiday buying seasons is swinging into high gear? As amazon is doing SO well, is starting to truly dominate in their fields? I wonder who and why...why did someone go looking around for such content?


One of the reasons I do NOT shop at walmart is BECAUSE they censor what they sell. So while the power of social networking and some other phrase that I just heard about the power of the people on the internet is actually MUCH scarier, er, stronger, than it was in '02, and while I have a feeling that their stance will end up changing, I would rather support someone that does NOT censor (and that protects customer info) than support someone that does censor.

And everyone's just shooting themselves in the foot by boycotting the best "seller of things" out there!

I understand your stance, I really do. BUT if you worked in a retail store that sold rape kits. . .marketed and sold as "rape kits." Would you feel comfortable with that? Would that be ok?

And I'm sorry, but tax evasion via internet sales, is not even on the same plane as child rape.

 

[FlightlessDuck]

But you are forgetting that you do NOT need to kidnap a kid to molest them. Parents, family and friends can all have access to a child without having to kidnap them to do so.

Yes, that's true.

I think I'm coming off here a having the wrong attitude. Of course I don't think it's good that this material is available. But it's also not good that material exists teaching you to abuse animals or create bombs.

So, let's say you call Amazon, and they listen, and they get rid of this book, but they still sell the Anarchist Cookbook, would everyone in this thread then feel justified in buying from Amazon? If so, why?

 

[cdotla]

I'm sorry if I came off as thoughtless, The point I was trying to make was the Anarchist Cookbook and similar domestic terrorist materials is as harmful and dangerous as a guide to child molestation.

I think it is really sad that we are even having this debate.

It is upseting to me that anyone's reaction to this news isn't outrage and disgust but an attempt to create arguments to justify the continued sale and availability of this product designed to hurt our kids.

 

[hambirg]

No, but it can hurt an animal.



There are safeguards about molesting children. You have to kidnap a child.

Sorry. . .but no you don't. In fact, in most incidences that is NOT the case. Statistics prove that.

And now children are put on the same level as animals??? To be fair it wouldn't be animals. . but young animals. . .puppies and kittens.

 

[LiberalPrincess]

But you are forgetting that you do NOT need to kidnap a kid to molest them. Parents, family and friends can all have access to a child without having to kidnap them to do so.

And many people have the actual ingredients to make a bomb in their very own homes without knowing it until a book points it out. I think Duck has a reasonable point. And, if people are seeking out books on bomb making and pedophilia the problem is already there. While the book is absolutely disgusting, it is not necessarily illegal. And making the censorship leap is very frightening to some of us. I find many of the books on the market offensive, but I simply choose not to buy them.

 

[hambirg]

Well, children can't vote. And children can't buy things from Amazon. And neither will I.

I think that is such an important point! I don't know why crimes against children seem to be so undersestimated in this country. . .but I think that thought sums it up. So sad.

 

[Aristomommy]

Thanks OP for bringing this to our attention. As a child victim of sexual abuse, I know that these sickos do not need a guidebook to do this. But Amazon as a business has control whose books they choose to sell and which books they will pass on for various reasons. It is not censorship, just business decision making. If enough people complain, they will have to consider it or I will assume that they approve of this type of behavior. I am truly disturbed by this...

 

[Aristomommy]

And many people have the actual ingredients to make a bomb in their very own homes without knowing it until a book points it out. I think Duck has a reasonable point. And, if people are seeking out books on bomb making and pedophilia the problem is already there. While the book is absolutely disgusting, it is not necessarily illegal. And making the censorship leap is very frightening to some of us. I find many of the books on the market offensive, but I simply choose not to buy them.

What is frightening to you about telling people that books about molesting children should not be published?

 

[Mama Mouse]

And many people have the actual ingredients to make a bomb in their very own homes without knowing it until a book points it out. I think Duck has a reasonable point. And, if people are seeking out books on bomb making and pedophilia the problem is already there. While the book is absolutely disgusting, it is not necessarily illegal. And making the censorship leap is very frightening to some of us. I find many of the books on the market offensive, but I simply choose not to buy them.

The word "offensive" isn't even an adequate comparison here. We are talking about sexually victimizing children. Having sex with CHILDREN. I'm appalled so many people take the subject so lightly.

hambirg, I agree. It's sickening how many people are just complacent or ambivalent about this. That's very scary! Until we grow some cajones as an entire society and say WE WILL NOT PERMIT THIS and really mean it, nothing will change. There are too many pedophiles, supporters and those who are just too ambivalent to understand how terribly serious this issue is for anything to change.

Talk about a slippery slope! What about the horribly slippery slope of allowing this type of information to be SOLD. Seriously? Is this really something we should make easier for the disgusting monsters who perpetrate these crimes?

 

[Guy Incognito]

are you sure it's really there? Did you just search for it and see it in the list, or did you actually click on it and pull it up? I just ran a search and tried to pull that selection up and got:

"Looking for something?
We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site

Go to Amazon.com's Home Page"

 

[hambirg]

Yes, that's true.

I think I'm coming off here a having the wrong attitude. Of course I don't think it's good that this material is available. But it's also not good that material exists teaching you to abuse animals or create bombs.

So, let's say you call Amazon, and they listen, and they get rid of this book, but they still sell the Anarchist Cookbook, would everyone in this thread then feel justified in buying from Amazon? If so, why?

I'll bite. . .seriously the statistics aren't even close. The number of children that are the victims of pedophiles is not even on the same realm as somebody that might create a bomb that actually goes off and hurts other people. 1 out of every 4 girls will be a victim!!!! Do you hear that? The probability of some whacko buying the Anarchist Cookbook and actually being able to buy what they need. . .and then being able to carry out their plan and actually hurting others is soooo statistically small. BUT. . .a child becoming the victim of a child molester. . .1 in 4 for a girl! Now add in that it also happens to boys. It's not even in the same category!

 

[FlightlessDuck]

And now children are put on the same level as animals??? To be fair it wouldn't be animals. . but young animals. . .puppies and kittens.

You think I am going in the opposite direction than I am. I say child molestion is wrong. I also say that animal abuse its wrong. I say teaching people how to make bombs to blow up large numbers of other people is wrong. Amazon is allowed to sell books advocating all of them, even though American society, as a whole, knows that none of these actions are good. And we, as customers, have the right to boycot Amazon for selling any of them.

 

[Jennasis]

I'm stymied why Amazon would even carry such a thing. Are they really expecting to sell any of them? Or maybe it's a sting operation! They sell a book and then law enforcement tracks it to the buyer and makes an arrest!

 

[RunningGirl]

Well this makes the choice between the Nook and the Kindle a whole lot easier.

 

[C.Ann]

are you sure it's really there? Did you just search for it and see it in the list, or did you actually click on it and pull it up? I just ran a search and tried to pull that selection up and got:

"Looking for something?
We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site

Go to Amazon.com's Home Page"

Or - maybe they pulled it already.. Do you have any idea how damaging this could be to them with Christmas sales right around the corner - not to mention the folks who are shopping early!!

It would be nice to think they responded to what their customers were saying - since it appears that the DIS is not the only place where this came to the attention of buyers..

 

[Angelhalo]

If you look up the book on Amazon right now and click on it when the results come up, you get this:

 

[luvmy3]

are you sure it's really there? Did you just search for it and see it in the list, or did you actually click on it and pull it up? I just ran a search and tried to pull that selection up and got:

"Looking for something?
We're sorry. The Web address you entered is not a functioning page on our site

Go to Amazon.com's Home Page"

Maybe they pulled it because it was there, I checked it. It had over 1,000 comments (so far).

ETA I searced under the author's name and it brings it up but when you click the link for it it shows what you saw.
It looks like they pulled it, good for them and thanks to all that commented to make them do it. A book like that should not be sold

 

[C.Ann]

If you look up the book on Amazon right now and click on it when the results come up, you get this:

 

[Mama Mouse]

Or - maybe they pulled it already.. Do you have any idea how damaging this could be to them with Christmas sales right around the corner - not to mention the folks who are shopping early!!

It would be nice to think they responded to what their customers were saying - since it appears that the DIS is not the only place where this came to the attention of buyers..

I know for sure it WAS there earlier because I searched it, pulled it up and wrote a review. Not a good one, obviously. I truly hope they listened and pulled this crud.

 

[LiberalPrincess]

What is frightening to you about telling people that books about molesting children should not be published?

Because your broad description just described MANY fiction and non-fiction books (including prize winners) as well as just about every other episode of Law and Order SVU. And maybe the next censor doesn't believe that books that mention molestation at all should be published. Then books about adultery should not be published because it might encourage that. And then books that mention sex at all. I will say again, the book is absolutely disgusting and sickens me, but all this uproar has done is push the book into a much better selling book than it ever would have been. I believe it had sold one copy. Want to bet on the stats now? If people don't like the book and think it is illegal, go after the author in a court of law. Encouraging a bookseller to censor opens a frightening door for me.