Amazon selling book for pedophiles

[kaytieeldr]

From wikipedia:

Censorship is suppression of speech or other communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body.

Since Amazon is a for-profit company, they are able to decide what they do and do not sell. They are not the government, therefore they are not "censoring".

Well, in this case the reading public strongly appears to fall under the 'other controlling body' category. All the media attention and consumer contacts threatening to boycott Amazon did, indeed, cause them to remove this item from their sales stock.

Pedophelia is disgusting; my own personal opinion is that sex between consenting adults is the concern of those people only but sex acts involving children - whom we all agree generally don't have the capacity to make informed decisions - are or should be prohibited. However, this is 'written' material, and while I wouldn't actually be willing to give my life, as Tallentyre said, "I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it."

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Wal-Mart is the primary fabric store for a lot of people, but Amazon is not primarily a seller of books promoting pedophilia. More to the point, both businesses make business decisions of what they will carry and what they won't.

WalMart may have been (no longer be, or in the process of no longer being) the primary fabric store for a lot of people, but they never were primarily a fabric store. Amazon is, to a great extent, a book store - at least to a much greater extent than WalMart ever was a fabric store.

For the comparison to be valid, WalMart would have had to remove, oh, say, 54" wide light blue fleece fabric with gray puffy clouds with winking eyes on the clouds manufactured by Junie Buggle in her kitchen in Focaccia, IN. on November 3, 2010 while still continuing to sell all other items in its fabric department, for any comparison with Amazon selling or not selling this self-published e-book.

 

[kaytieeldr]

If a book is a poorly written piece of crap, it's not going to be sold on Amazon either. Does that mean the author is being censored or just that they wrote a crappy book?

Be made available for purchase? Very likely. Be bought? Except when something like this happens and a book is brought to the public's attention as this one was, despite being apparently poorly-written - not so much.

 

[kaytieeldr]

I saw an interview with the author and the most alarming thing to me was that he kept using the word "pedosexual". To me this is the next step in trying to normalize pedophiles in associating it with sexual behavior. I hope this disgusting word doesn't catch on because it will only encourage this. I don't know if this guy is a pedophile but I don't know why he would defend this behavior if he wasn't.

How is pedosexual 'normalizing' anything? I won't buy an e-reader. I'm a bibliophile. I love books. I love the feel of books, the smell. I love being able to hold a book, caress it, enjoy it...

That's what the suffix "phile" IS. It means 'lover of'. Why euphemize adults sexually attracted to children by using the suffix "phile". Why NOT use the correct core word: sex/sexual/sexuality? That's what this IS!

 

[mhsjax]

No, but it can hurt an animal.



There are safeguards about molesting children. You have to kidnap a child.

Say what?

 

[Aristomommy]

How is pedosexual 'normalizing' anything? I won't buy an e-reader. I'm a bibliophile. I love books. I love the feel of books, the smell. I love being able to hold a book, caress it, enjoy it...

That's what the suffix "phile" IS. It means 'lover of'. Why euphemize adults sexually attracted to children by using the suffix "phile". Why NOT use the correct core word: sex/sexual/sexuality? That's what this IS!

Pedosexual as a word gives an impression that this is a person's sexuality. Like homosexual or heterosexual. Let's start treating these people like criminals, not adults who are "sexually attracted" to children. It is a disorder, an illness, sickness. There is not proven treatment and these people will re-offend and often feed off their last victim to escalate this behavior. The fact that these people feel that they can talk about it openly on the internet, form an organization etc. just shows how tolerant we are becoming of this criminal activity that is so damaging to our children.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Pedosexual as a word gives an impression that this is a person's sexuality. Like homosexual or heterosexual. Let's start treating these people like criminals, not adults who are "sexually attracted" to children. It is a disorder, an illness, sickness.

Well, sure as HECK changing the label from pedophilia isn't the solution. Again, a 'phile' is one that loves, likes, or is attracted to. Calling the deviation pedophilia or its practitioners pedophiles definitely softens and detracts from the meaning of the word.

Think about it. Are you more horrified by "a person who loves children" (truly, the definition of a pedophile), or by "a person who is sexually attracted to children" - the pedosexual usage you decry?

Changing the terminology doesn't make the act or desire less of a disorder/illness/sickness. It simply clarifies it.

 

[Aristomommy]

Well, sure as HECK changing the label from pedophilia isn't the solution. Again, a 'phile' is one that loves, likes, or is attracted to. Calling the deviation pedophilia or its practitioners pedophiles definitely softens and detracts from the meaning of the word.

Think about it. Are you more horrified by "a person who loves children" (truly, the definition of a pedophile), or by "a person who is sexually attracted to children" - the pedosexual usage you decry?

Changing the terminology doesn't make the act or desire less of a disorder/illness/sickness. It simply clarifies it.

I am more horrified by pedosexual. You can argue the meaning of it all day long (and would do it without me quite likely) but my point was, that the author of this book used this term and it sounds too much like other sexual designation that society has accepted. Pedophiles are not merely sexually attracted to children. They are criminals who like the mind control and the rush of an innocent victim who are quite unaware that they are even victims of a crime. Just because the crime involves sex doesn't make it just about sex.

 

[Don Vaughn]

I did not believe it myself until I did a search on Amazon. The name of the book is The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure and it is offered on Kindle. I will not be using Amazon while this is being offered. I loved Amazon too. They were so good to order stuff but this is just wrong.

On the news last night I heard that Amazon had pulled the book from the shelf and from Kindle. We need to keep up the pressure on Amazon so they don't put it back!

 

[merryweather20]

WalMart may have been (no longer be, or in the process of no longer being) the primary fabric store for a lot of people, but they never were primarily a fabric store. Amazon is, to a great extent, a book store - at least to a much greater extent than WalMart ever was a fabric store.

For the comparison to be valid, WalMart would have had to remove, oh, say, 54" wide light blue fleece fabric with gray puffy clouds with winking eyes on the clouds manufactured by Junie Buggle in her kitchen in Focaccia, IN. on November 3, 2010 while still continuing to sell all other items in its fabric department, for any comparison with Amazon selling or not selling this self-published e-book.

Let me help you out here. I repeat:

More to the point, both businesses make business decisions of what they will carry and what they won't.

 

[Nancyg56]

I think we all have our "slippery slopes" we're willing to take a ride on.. With all due respect, I have read quite a few of your posts on various threads and you have made such decisions yourself - just different slippery slopes..

I'll slide down this one without losing a moment's sleep. I do not believe that a business decision is censorship but even if other's do i would still choose this mountain to die on.

I get censorship. And freedom of speech. I sat through law school classes debating whether inciting hate crimes should be protected under freedom of speech.

HOWEVER.....as a society we have to be prepared to stand up and acknowledge that promoting RAPE against our CHILDREN is just plain and simple wrong under ANY circumstances.

There should be no debate about this. Period. It truly saddens me that there obviously is.

Amazon claims that it's not a how-to book but someone explaining why these relationships aren't bad. I guess that I'll never really know for sure because I certainly don't intend to read the book!
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Amazon can choose to rationalize selling a book such as this but that does not change what it is. I am another who would never know because I would never give one penny to find out.

I don't want Amazon censoring materials.

I would not call a business decision to refuse to sell a How To book to pedophiles censorship. I would call that decision ethical.

I can't speak for anyone else. Why did I pick this particular book to be upset about? Because it's the one I knew about.

This has led to awareness of other trash like this on Amazon, like the killing book and the boylove book. For me, just taking this book off their site isn't going to be enough to get me back.

Exactly. I confess that I am woefully unaware of these book. I woul dnever look to see if they exist but once I fund that a retailer is selling them I am no longer a customer. One person may not make a financial impact on Amazon but I know that I am not supporting a retailer whose business practices now appall me.

Let me help you out here. I repeat:

More to the point, both businesses make business decisions of what they will carry and what they won't.

I agree. And consumers can choose where they spend their money. If someone chooses to spend money supporting a business that allows this kind of product that is fine with me. I choose to spend my money elsewhere. Just as I choose to purchase products that do not test on animals I will choose not to purchase products from Amazon.

 

[kaytieeldr]

Let me help you out here. I repeat:

More to the point, both businesses make business decisions of what they will carry and what they won't.

Thank you for the help. I got it the first time; my point was simply that the specific comparison wasn't valid.

 

[Let'sGoFlyAKite]

Thank GOODNESS they stopped carrying it!! I was seriously going to stop shopping there.

 

[136368]

As has been said, pædophilia is a disorder of a sexual persuasion.

The question, to my mind, is can it be successfully treated?

 

[136368]

Oh, one more thing.

Surely "pedophilia" is an attraction to feet? I mean, pedo = pedometer etc.

Isn't an attraction to children "pædophilia"?

 

[kaytieeldr]

Surely "pedophilia" is an attraction to feet? I mean, pedo = pedometer etc.

Actually, that would be podophilia

 

[Cando86]

Don't know if anyone's heard but the author of the book has been arrested
http://www.khou.com/news/national/Author-of-how-to-pedophile-book-arrested--112188894.html

 

[OceanAnnie]

I read about that, Cando. It will be interesting to see how the case is handled.
I do think Fla. law should apply. I hope the guy is behind bars for as long as possible.

 

[Mouse House Mama]

I will never buy from amazon again. Just the fact that they would even put something so vile on their website is enough for me. That is disgusting. Whoever allowed it should be arrested too.

 

[luvmyfam444]

I was just reading about it on MSN - there are tons of interesting opinions on there (2,000+)

 

[kaytieeldr]

I will never buy from amazon again. Just the fact that they would even put something so vile on their website is enough for me. That is disgusting. Whoever allowed it should be arrested too.

You should really learn more about self-publishing and electronic books before you condemn an entire company.