Amazing Star Wars ride patent filed by WDI!!!

You amuse me Lockedout...! I hope you do realize that the only way to get Disney to change their ways is with your (and others) wallets. If those that complain most ardently about the changes continue to pay for the services they dislike, it seems that any hope for change is futile...wouldn't you think?

yep...and i covered that in the post.

The difference is that my patience has limits. Is it still a great place to go? currently yes.

But that is not guaranteed. And the costs have seen a significant and unwarranted spike in the last few years. I'm watching.

In five years, could it no longer be the clearcut leader and can it be a bad return on investment for travel dollars? absolutely.

There are lots of beaches to sit on, hills to ski down, and real world showcase places to visit across the ponds...
So while my DVC price makes the hotels a ridiculous bargain/ benefit right now for my toddlers...it is not set in stone.

But my opposition is growing. And i can offload my DVC same as anybody else...and probably make a nice neat profit.

And again...I am upfront in being part of the problems as much as i shout that TWDC needs to start looking for the solutions.
 
yep...and i covered that in the post.

The difference is that my patience has limits. Is it still a great place to go? currently yes.

But that is not guaranteed. And the costs have seen a significant and unwarranted spike in the last few years. I'm watching.

In five years, could it no longer be the clearcut leader and can it be a bad return on investment for travel dollars? absolutely.

There are lots of beaches to sit on, hills to ski down, and real world showcase places to visit across the ponds...
So while my DVC price makes the hotels a ridiculous bargain/ benefit right now for my toddlers...it is not set in stone.

But my opposition is growing. And i can offload my DVC same as anybody else...and probably make a nice neat profit.

And again...I am upfront in being part of the problems as much as i shout that TWDC needs to start looking for the solutions.

I agree with most everything you say...while I don't particular think that my Disney vacations have dropped in quality, the rate of price increase seems to be greater than my rate of disposable income increase, and therefore is less of a value to travel there. I could see the same problem where Disney "prices me out". Unfortunately, travel everywhere seems to be going up at the same escalating rates.

Overall, we both agree again. While we'd love to see them announce this ride (or one similar) we both highly doubt it!
 
For giggles - I decided to try and find an ACTUAL Disney patent to try and prove or disprove the other one....here's one that I found issued last month...with some edited details. Note the names on the patent and the assignee. I can't access the diagrams for some reason - but if someone else can and wanted to post them..go to the below link and type in the patent #.

FYI - this looks to me to be similar to the other patent - only not specific to a ride. (Another strike against the original being a Disney patent, it's unlikely they would write it so specific.) Not to stir up more rumor-mongering, but this one sounds more like a "Cars" or "TRON light-cycle"ride.

http://patft.uspto.gov/netahtml/PTO/srchnum.htm

United States Patent 7,921,781
Baker , et al. April 12, 2011

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Amusement park ride with vehicles pivoting about a common chassis to provide racing and other effects


Abstract
A ride system is provided that allows selective relative positioning of vehicles in an amusement or theme park ride to simulate racing or other effects. The ride system includes a chassis that is adapted to be supported by and to travel on or along a length of track of a particular ride. A support is attached to the chassis and moves with the chassis during operation of the ride. The ride system includes first and second passenger vehicles that are spaced apart on and supported by the support. A drive assembly is linked to the support and configured to rotate the support about its central axis. During support rotation, the first and second vehicles are moved concurrently relative to the track to alter their relative positioning. The vehicles are each rotated about an axis that extends parallel to the rotation axis, and the rotation may be independent or concurrent.


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Inventors: Baker; Paul E. (Porter Ranch, CA), Sumner; Mark W. (Saugus, CA), Howard; Derek (Pasadena, CA), Durham; David A. (Northridge, CA), Rose; Christopher J. (Canyon Country, CA), Crawford; David W. (Long Beach, CA)
Assignee: Disney Enterprises, Inc. (Burbank, CA)

Appl. No.: 12/871,399
Filed: August 30, 2010

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BACKGROUND OF THE INVENTION

Amusement parks continue to be popular worldwide with hundreds of millions of people visiting the parks each year. Park operators continuously seek new designs for thrill rides because these rides attract large numbers of people to their parks each year. Racing rides are a genre or type of ride that is very popular with guests. In theme and other parks, in addition to high-speed or thrill portions of rides, many rides incorporate a slower portion or segment to their rides to allow them to provide a "show" in which animation, movies, three-dimensional (3D) effects and displays, audio, and other effects are presented as vehicles proceed through such show portions. The show portions of rides are often run or started upon sensing the presence of a vehicle and are typically designed to be most effective when vehicles travel through the show portion at a particular speed.

As a result, it is desirable to provide a racing ride in which the speed, location, and orientation (e.g., face the riders toward a show or other display) of the vehicles can be controlled or guided, which generally rules out rider-controlled racing such as provided by go-karts and similar vehicles where the riders control their speed and location on a course. Guided or controlled vehicles are also desirable in many amusement park settings because they can be operated more safely to ensure that the vehicles do not collide with each other or structure adjacent to the track. Further, guided or controlled vehicles are also useful for providing a high guest throughput for a ride as there is less likelihood that a vehicle will be stopped on a track blocking additional vehicles from proceeding along the ride track or course.

To provide a racing simulation, ride designers have often implemented two sets of side-by-side tracks such as with racing or dueling roller coaster trains. Roller coasters normally have a predefined track loop, and riders load and unload at a platform or station such as at a low elevation when compared to the rest of the track. At the beginning of each ride cycle, a roller coaster car or a train of cars is towed up a relatively steep incline of an initial track section to the highest point on the track. The train of cars is then released from the high point and gains kinetic energy that causes the train to travel around the track circuit or loop without further energy being added and return back to the loading/unloading station. The roller coaster track typically includes various loops, turns, inversions, corkscrews, and other configurations intended to thrill the riders. Racing or dueling roller coasters typically have two side-by-side endless track loops, with the tracks parallel to each other. In this way, a roller coaster train on the first track can race with a roller coaster train on the second track. The racing feature provides added thrills and excitement for the riders as they compete with the nearby passengers of the other train.
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SUMMARY OF THE INVENTION

The present invention addresses the above problems by providing racing ride systems in which a vehicle support such as an arm or span beam is provided on a common chassis that rides on a track. Two or more vehicles are mounted upon the support, and the support is rotated (e.g., about its central axis) to change the relative position of the vehicles such as to allow one vehicle to pass the other as the chassis travels on the track. To provide a desired orientation of the vehicles, each of the vehicles may be mounted such that it can be rotated or pivoted on the support. In some cases, a drive assembly is provided in or on the support that responds to driving forces to rotate the support and to also rotate the vehicles. The rotation of the support and vehicles may be performed concurrently and also be similar in magnitude and rate. In this manner, racing vehicles may continue to face forward or in the direction of travel even though the support is rotating, e.g., to better simulate racing cars or the like as the passengers/guests continue to face forward.

More particularly, a ride system is provided that allows selective relative positioning of vehicles in an amusement or theme park ride such as to simulate racing or other desired effects such as to enhance a show portion of a ride. The ride system includes a chassis that is adapted to be supported by and to travel on or along a length of track of a particular ride. A support is attached to the chassis so as to move with the chassis during operation of the ride. The ride system also includes at least first and second passenger vehicles (or bodies) (e.g., some rides have 2, 3, 4, or more vehicles) that are spaced apart on and supported by the support. A drive assembly is linked to the support and configured to rotate the support about a rotation axis such as a central axis of the support. During such support rotation, the first and second vehicles are moved concurrently relative to the track to alter their relative positioning. The first and second vehicles may be positioned on the support such that the rotation axis extends between them and, in some embodiments, the vehicles are each rotated about an axis that extends parallel to the rotation axis such as by having a mounting element rotated by the drive assembly. The vehicle rotation may be independent but in some cases is concurrent or partially concurrent, e.g., with each other and/or with the rotation of the support. In some cases, the vehicles share a common orientation relative to a direction of travel along the track and the drive assembly is configured to maintain this common orientation during the rotation of the vehicles about their individual rotation axes.
 

Interesting -- the site lists no clients nor examples of rides they've actually built.

Yeah, and listed under 'concpets' tab is this:

Warring Coaster
The Warring Coaster concept takes an armed conflict from a film or a story and allows riders to live it. Through the use of multiple trains on multiple tracks, giant themed arenas, animatronics, interactive laser gun systems, and much, much more, the Battle of the Death Star* from Star Wars* roars to life, and a Quidditch* match from Harry Potter* becomes real! This is the ultimate in themed rides and roller coasters combined.
Live your favorite movie!

* Death Star, Star Wars, Quidditch, and Harry Potter are trademarks of their respective owners who do not endorse GordonRides LLC, nor are they in any way connected with GordonRides. Concepts presented in The Warring Coaster are the subject of several pending patent applications owned by Jonathan Gordon, the principal of GordonRides.

Sounds like the patent has nothing to do with Disney more and more as this thread keeps going. Too bad though, it is an amazing idea.

In fact, if you click on the Warring Coaster, you get some images of an idea for a quidditch ride, but the fourth picture in the series is the same as the one being credited as the blueprints for the new 'Star Wars' ride over on the other forum. Looks like someone just added in the names, since this one doesn't have any.
 
Yeah, and listed under 'concpets' tab is this:



Sounds like the patent has nothing to do with Disney more and more as this thread keeps going. Too bad though, it is an amazing idea.

In fact, if you click on the Warring Coaster, you get some images of an idea for a quidditch ride, but the fourth picture in the series is the same as the one being credited as the blueprints for the new 'Star Wars' ride over on the other forum. Looks like someone just added in the names, since this one doesn't have any.

What?!?

You mean they're not going to build a 300 million dollar, cutting edge technology, 4.5 G, dueling coaster with pyrotechnics, in an enclosed spacefield using licensed characters purchased from a reclusive hermit who has systematically exploited every name, character, word, and facial expression in his movies...because he trademarked ALL of them?

darn...now i'm cancelling my 2016 trip to Port:mad:
 
Why not? Isn't the US distributor of Harry Potter (films, at least) Warner Brothers? They have relationships with ABC, so it wouldn't have been totally out there for Disney to have contemplated HP, especially for DHS.

Back to the specific topic, I see some posts hoping for this to be a MK/TL ride. While I can see that, I actually prefer DHS because that lends itself open to the idea of an entire "Star Wars Land". Think of it -- relocate and refurb the Muppets 3D (would it fit in the Sounds Dangerous space?) , and that side of the park has lots of room for the two Star Wars rides plus some other themeing, shops, etc., and space to expand, then as you roll around clockwise, you ditch the backlot tour and the stunt car show for a full Pixar Place (TSM, Carsland, MI coaster, Ratatouille dark ride, etc.)

That has "awesome" written all over it, and makes DHS a lot more than a half-day park.

It also has "expensive" written all over it, so the head hanchos up top won't bite on it.:sad1:
I like the Star Wars coaster idea. Although I heard a pp say it would fit in an expansion lot in MK, is there enough room for a ride of this magnitude and scope?
 
What?!?

You mean they're not going to build a 300 million dollar, cutting edge technology, 4.5 G, dueling coaster with pyrotechnics, in an enclosed spacefield using licensed characters purchased from a reclusive hermit who has systematically exploited every name, character, word, and facial expression in his movies...because he trademarked ALL of them?

darn...now i'm cancelling my 2016 trip to Port:mad:

:lmao::lmao::lmao:
 
What?!?

You mean they're not going to build a 300 million dollar, cutting edge technology, 4.5 G, dueling coaster with pyrotechnics, in an enclosed spacefield using licensed characters purchased from a reclusive hermit who has systematically exploited every name, character, word, and facial expression in his movies...because he trademarked ALL of them?

darn...now i'm cancelling my 2016 trip to Port:mad:

Yeah, because Disney has no experience at all in this regard. ;)
 
Yeah, because Disney has no experience at all in this regard. ;)

pay what can be considered "market value" for licensing fees and sharing creative development...as opposed to financial partnership?

no...they actually don't have much experience at that. If you want to right them a check to cover the bill - they'll be as cooperative as you want.
If you want them to pay you and still have a 50% say? no baby.

Why is that terrible star tours even still there? an irresistable force against an immovable object
 
The patent also mentions that Star Wars was used as an example, not as a design. Not sure where the diagrams of the ride vehicles came from. (Edit: They are in the patent filing - it just wasn't shown on the page I first looked at).

Patents do require a number of things to hold up, and one of them is novelty. There are a variety of coasters that fit the basic description, so nothing about it is novel. The design layout is simply an example and not necessarily part of the patent.
 
If there is any truth to this, I think it is for a Star Wars-land expansion of Disney's Hollywood Studios. It would compete with the Harry Potter land at IOA. Yay for WDW!!!!:thumbsup2
 
pay what can be considered "market value" for licensing fees and sharing creative development...as opposed to financial partnership?

no...they actually don't have much experience at that. If you want to right them a check to cover the bill - they'll be as cooperative as you want.
If you want them to pay you and still have a 50% say? no baby.

Why is that terrible star tours even still there? an irresistable force against an immovable object

I was actually referring to Disney being quite familiar with the concept of "licensed characters... systematically exploit[ing] every name, character, word, and facial expression in [their] movies".

The simple truth is that Star Wars is still a big draw, even after all of this time. Regardless of how bad the "prequel" movies were (although note that my 6-year-old loves Episode I, probably because it's written to his level). Regardless of what a hack and a jerk Lucas is.

That's why there's a Star Wars ride still at DHS -- that's why they have Star Wars weekends. And why talk of any Star Wars themed expansions at WDW generates a lot of interest.
 
^^
Thanks


Ok so 100% not WDI but that's why it's so amazing because it's not WDI they don't do innovative anymore.

I love the the interactive queue is laser turrents that fire into the actual ride and that it is an actual competition. If the Rebel side wins the Death Star explodes if the Empire wins Yavin explodes!

If Disney wad smart they would buy it and build it!
 
If Disney wad smart they would buy it and build it!

Agreed!

The technical limitations noted in the article are surmountable, and it would be a huge draw. I still say it should go to DHS as part of a Star Wars Land or Lucasfilm Land expansion / renovation.

On the whole, I prefer going pure Star Wars -- it has more staying power than Indiana Jones, for example. With Star Tours, you have a D-ticket attraction. This ride (Deathstar Dogfight?) would be an E-ticket. Keep the stunt show idea, but remake it as a Star Wars scene rather than Indiana Jones. Add one or two more rides (some form of dark ride and possibly a pod racer-themed ride), a restaurant or two, and some shops and general park themeing, and you have a real winner.

The other thing to note is that if WDI passes up an idea like this, they really risk Universal running with it for the Harry Potter idea. I don't think it was an accident that the inventor chose those two themes to illustrate the concept for the patent.
 
Agreed!

The technical limitations noted in the article are surmountable, and it would be a huge draw. I still say it should go to DHS as part of a Star Wars Land or Lucasfilm Land expansion / renovation.

On the whole, I prefer going pure Star Wars -- it has more staying power than Indiana Jones, for example. With Star Tours, you have a D-ticket attraction. This ride (Deathstar Dogfight?) would be an E-ticket. Keep the stunt show idea, but remake it as a Star Wars scene rather than Indiana Jones. Add one or two more rides (some form of dark ride and possibly a pod racer-themed ride), a restaurant or two, and some shops and general park themeing, and you have a real winner.

The other thing to note is that if WDI passes up an idea like this, they really risk Universal running with it for the Harry Potter idea. I don't think it was an accident that the inventor chose those two themes to illustrate the concept for the patent.

sure...anything else you want?

other than 4 new star wars rides?...and 2 new restaurants (they have added a grand total of ZERO new restaurants since MGM opened)...and a couple of new shops (that you might get)

May the force be with you...because you are clearly in a galaxy far, far, away:rotfl:
 


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