Alligator dragged 2 year old into 7 seas lagoon

[mom2rtk]

Well technically no diving generally means the water is too shallow for head first diving. It has nothing to do with jumping in. Water can be deep enough for jumping and not deep enough for diving.

Sort of like technically wading and swimming are two different acts. Especially when the entity that puts up the no swimming signs has allowed wading for many years.

But obviously different people take the signs meaning differently dependent on their experience. No swimming can be posted for a thousand different reasons.

Yep. I have no issue with someone jumping into an area that says "no diving".

 

[Kimberlyann11]

When I was a kid, we had an older teen severely injured jumping into a no diving area of the river. The kids assumed it was because of the depth and constructed a rope swing that would take them out to the middle where it was pretty deep. One kid landed on a submerged tree trunk and was pretty badly hurt.

 

[mjkacmom]

This is pretty much what I've been saying the whole time.

Like no diving signs at the pool and you see people jumping in the water but "I'm not diving".

Or when you tell your kid not to jump on the bed, and you catch them jumping on the bed. If they said "you didn't tell me why I shouldn't jump on the bed!" Like all these people saying that Disney didn't tell them why they shouldn't play on the water.

Or when you tell your kids to not run and instead they walk faster than the speed of light because they're not running.

At our pool, people CAN jump in areas that say no diving. Heck, they can jump in at the shallowest end. However, by law, the depth and distance have to at at a certain number to allow diving, to prevent head and neck injuries.

 

[sunshinehighway]

Exactly. Where I'm from, no swimming usually means that the water is contaminated - e coli being the most common culprit. I would never dream of letting my kid play in it. My thought at seeing people do it would be "enjoy your projectile vomiting and explosive diarrhea". Indeed, around here reading it differently would be like when my kid would say "You said don't put my shoes on the furniture, these aren't my shoes - they're boots".

But dang, I think we all get it now. Those of us who thought that the no swimming sign was taken way too literally were seeing things from the perspective of where we live and that doesn't make us monsters.

Yes to all of this. now that I've seen all the comments about how people honestly didn't understand no swimming meant don't go in the water, I am understanding it more. My initial reaction was thinking about my kids and how they try to get away with things on technicalities ( like the shoes vs. Boots thing).
It's like taking an inner tube in that water and saying 'well I'm floating on the water, not swimming. The sign doesn't say anything about floating."
I, guess it's a good thing Disney is changing the signs and putting up a barrier because I doubt just a sign with alligator would be enough. You'd still have people with their toes in the water because they don't understand alligators could be in very shallow water and difficult to see or don't understand how fast alligators can move. Regardless of what the sign says, people will find a reasoning to do what they want.

 

[mom2rtk]

When I was a kid, we had an older teen severely injured jumping into a no diving area of the river. The kids assumed it was because of the depth and constructed a rope swing that would take them out to the middle where it was pretty deep. One kid landed on a submerged tree trunk and was pretty badly hurt.

That's awful. They probably needed a "No jumping or diving" sign there.

 

[CPanther95]

That's awful. They probably needed a "No jumping or diving" sign there.

Yeah. Jumping, diving, swimming and wading are all different activities that are usually individually banned - unless they are all banned with a sign that says to stay out of the water completely.

 

[sam_gordon]

Quick, what are these kids doing?

Does anyone immediately think "swimming"? Words have meanings.

I also think it's wrong when people who consider wading different from swimming are called "idiots", "special snowflakes", and the other names I can't remember.

 

[Kimberlyann11]

Quick, what are these kids doing?

Does anyone immediately think "swimming"? Words have meanings.

I also think it's wrong when people who consider wading different from swimming are called "idiots", "special snowflakes", and the other names I can't remember.

I do. Sorry.

We're from lake country where we'll go swimming all the time and hardly get wet.

"Did you guys go swimming?"
"Yeah - but it's freaking cold. I just barely got the bottom of my shorts wet and I had to bail.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

I finally broke down and bought a new one that will fit in my carry-on bag. I'll be all set for my next Disney vacation as everything will be crystal, crystal clear.

Hopefully the X-Ray machine at the TSA screening won't dull it's magical shine.

Any input by those that have such shiny crystal balls as I'd like to know how this one compares to yours. I'd appreciate all the help I could get.

 

[CPanther95]

"WADING" is a term used all around the USA.

 

[mom2rtk]

I do. Sorry.

We're from lake country where we'll go swimming all the time and hardly get wet.

"Did you guys go swimming?"
"Yeah - but it's freaking cold. I just barely got the bottom of my shorts wet and I had to bail.

That's interesting. Because if I had gone in the water and barely gotten the bottom of my shorts wet, when someone asked if I had gone swimming I would have said no, we waded in a bit but it was too cold to swim.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

I'm gonna have to remove swimming/wading from the list of things the DIS won't argue about. Thanks a lot guys...

 

[mjkacmom]

That's interesting. Because if I gone in the water and barely gotten the bottom of my shorts wet, when someone asked if I had gone swimming I would have said no, we waded in a bit but it was too cold to swim.

Exactly! Dd19 went down the shore this week, and said it was too cold to swim. She spent a lot of time standing in the surf, though.

 

[mjkacmom]

I do. Sorry.

We're from lake country where we'll go swimming all the time and hardly get wet.

"Did you guys go swimming?"
"Yeah - but it's freaking cold. I just barely got the bottom of my shorts wet and I had to bail.

Wow, just because I think those kids are wading, I'm an idiot snowflake, just because swimming and wading are not considered the same where I live? Nice.

 

[Goofy_Disney_Dad]

Exactly! Dd19 went down the shore this week, and said it was too cold to swim. She spent a lot of time standing in the surf, though.

When you say "standing", do you mean at exactly 0° or was there a range of about 10 to 15° involved, because that will clearly change what others might perceive as this "standing" you're talking about.

 

[CPanther95]

Wow, just because I think those kids are wading, I'm an idiot snowflake, just because swimming and wading are not considered the same where I live? Nice.

This might be the first time in DIS history where the snowflakes are the ones that aren't limited to a 3rd grade vocabulary.

 

[sunshinehighway]

That water looks so gross anyways. I am shocked that people would want to go in it or let their kids play in it.
People can be clever with technicalities all they want but being technically correct isn't going to save you from getting that brain eating amoeba or from a run in with dangerous wildlife or even just sick from bacteria.

 

[Kimberlyann11]

That's interesting. Because if I gone in the water and barely gotten the bottom of my shorts wet, when someone asked if I had gone swimming I would have said no, we waded in a bit but it was too cold to swim.

See - because we are from different parts of the country. That's what I am trying to get at.

I am not a hateful monster because I thought people were nuts for going into the water when is says no swimming. I still wouldn't do it, but now I understand. These people were not from an area with many, if any inland lakes. My city alone has 34 inland lakes, so the very literal definition of swimming is more uncommon here. My kid went swimming yesterday, but she probably didn't even go in the water - although that remark probably muddies the water (no pun intended) considerably so pretend I didn't write it. I concede that perhaps most of the country would adhere to the more literal definition of swimming and that they are not idiots, as I have now been educated.

Kumbayah

edited - I know what the word literal means.

 

[Clifton Tesh]

Yep. I have no issue with someone jumping into an area that says "no diving".

I've seen many a broken bone (leg, arm, coccyx) from people jumping in a pool where it says no diving.

I'm not saying anyone is right or wrong because as we've proven, everyone translates things differently, but where I come from, no diving means not to jump in the water in any way.

I'll also add, where I come from a holler is either a valley or someone yelling. You have to know what context it is being used in.

 

[mjkacmom]

When you say "standing", do you mean at exactly 0° or was there a range of about 10 to 15° involved, because that will clearly change what others might perceive as this "standing" you're talking about.

Well, it's the Jersey shore, so it would be from no water, to about thigh high, without ever moving.