Alfredo - Dining Review & Tipping on the DDP

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We were on the dining plan during our recent stay 5-16 through 5-20. I jumped at the chance for the dining plan as we always enjoy eating well while on vacation. I love the planning portion of a vacation almost as much as the vacation itself, so I had logged many hours on the DIS boards gathering great tips and reviews as well as other online sources and travel books from the time we booked our airfare in January.

Alfredo di Roma – Mystery of the 11% tip: This was dinner our first night. Arrived about 10 minutes early for 6pm ADR. Waited in line for about 10 minutes at the outside podium until DH realized we were in the line for walkups. Oops – I thought I had researched this well! After checking in inside we were seated after a 5-10 minute wait. So far, so good. DH and I both wanted to try the house specialty, Fettuccine Alfredo, so we each ordered as an appetizer. As they say, “When in Rome….”. It was a very generous serving and could easily be split. DH is an accomplished cook and makes an incredible alfredo from scratch and I would have to say this version took a distant second to his. We both actually enjoyed it better after asking the waiter for freshly ground pepper. I ordered the lamb, DH ordered the boar, fennel & Italian sausages, and DD age 8 ordered the penne w/meat sauce. As is her simple style, my daughter asked for “pasta plain with sauce on the side” and the waiter gave her some good natured ribbing about how American children always ask for “sauce on the side”. He kiddingly pleaded with her to try it in the Italian style with sauce actually touching the pasta. She was a good sport and agreed and he assured her she would like it. But if she didn’t, he would bring out a dish of plain pasta. After a very long wait for the entrees, I made the right choice with the lamb. It was perfectly done, very tender, and had an excellent sauce. DH entrée, however, was not a winner – one of the sausages was very burnt and the others had little flavor. And our American daughter did not care for the taste of the meat sauce. She delicately tried to squeegee it off the penne, but it was no use. Our waiter, the meat sauce pusher, was no where to be found. We scanned the restaurant continuously during a time period in which she finished off all the bread w/olive oil and my husband and I finished our entrees. We finally hailed him from three tables down and told him of the meat sauce mishap. He did apologize and whisked away the offending dish. He returned quickly with the plain penne. But he also rushed away from the table before we could tell him we wanted desserts. Again we waited quite a long time scanning the room for this elusive waiter. Finally a girl came to clear our finished entrée dishes and we gave her our dessert order. The waiter brought the desserts (all turned out to be very good) and DH was ready for him this time quickly telling him to bring the check right away. But first we had a question. New to the DDP we wanted to make sure we handled the tip properly (we had ordered 2 cocktails to be paid & tipped additionally). DH was a restaurant manager for several years and a generous tipper, rarely leaving less than 20%. When asked if the gratuity and tax were included on the dining plan portion of our order, he replied “yes”. When asked if the gratuity was figured at 18%, he replied “no, well not really, it more works out to about 11%”. What?? I know I had seen in several places that it was 18%. I was losing credibility as the well researched Disney expert of our family. When I mentioned I thought it was 18% not 11%, DH swears his Italian accent got thicker as he explained something about the tax coming out of the gratuity. But he then reassured us that we need not worry about the gratuity for the meals. Needless to say we were somewhat confused but DH signed the Dining Plan slip, paid cash for the additional cocktails & tip, threw in another couple bucks for good measure, and we got the “heck out of Rome”. After discussing it later, we figured there could be three possible explanations for his comments: (a) Disney restaurants have different % gratuities for DDP, although 11% is very low (most restaurants add a minimum of 15% for large parties) or (b) the waiter was fishing for a larger tip or (c) he was referring to his take home on the amount of the tip after taxes are taken out as I would imagine all tips from the Dining Plan are declared for the server’s income tax.

Thankfully, the tipping aspect of DDP was straightforward at our other meals. We also had TS at Spoodles, Cape May Character Breakfast, and Chefs de France. I will try to post reviews on these soon.
 
Hey pips I have a question for you.... Now we leave in 16 days we also purchased the DDP. Do we have to leave an additional tip? Is the tip and tax included everytime you use the DDP at the restraunt, or do we still pay Tip? I'm confused, I just want to make sure we have tip money not that we get a surprise, and don't have enough cash with us.
 
I thought (I know I read it more than a few times) that the tip included was actually 15%.

Thanks for the review!!!!

In response to the question. The tip included is somewhere between 11% and 18%-- I'm sure someone will come along who knows for sure, if you like to leave more you can add cash to the tip. We usually leave 20%, so we'll have to bring cash with us for tips-- though I don't know if its necessary to leave so much at the buffets.
 
TinkerbellTris said:
Hey pips I have a question for you.... Now we leave in 16 days we also purchased the DDP. Do we have to leave an additional tip? Is the tip and tax included everytime you use the DDP at the restraunt, or do we still pay Tip? I'm confused, I just want to make sure we have tip money not that we get a surprise, and don't have enough cash with us.


My understanding is that the tax & tip are included on the items included in the Dining Plan (appetizer, entree, dessert & nonalcoholic beverage). We ordered two cocktails so we received a separate check that we paid in cash including additional tip for those two drinks. Though I don't believe the service we got was in line with a tip over the 18% included in the DDP, my husband has a soft spot for servers (he was in a family restaurant business for several years) and almost always tips a minimum of 20% so he added a couple extra bucks.
 

Thank you so much. I think we will bring a little extra too, for those Exceptional servers. Tipping in Disneyworld confuses me a little. I just read on another thread you should tip your mousekeepers also. I never knew that. Last time we were there was 2002, and I never left mousekeeping a tip, never even thought of it. (so embarassing) And she made us towel animals and all. This time we will be tipping!!! Thanks for the info. You review was great, very helpful since we have adr's there also.
 
i'm betting he was talking about post tax percentage. Tho that sounds like a lot of tax, it makes more sense. I know most wait persons do not claim all taxes, but really, they should, so i Cant feel too bad. My DD was a waitress for eons and often got 10% tips and NOT based on WAY OVER PRICED food. Face it, no matter how fun it is to eat on the DDP, and it is, i can assure you they charge up to twice as much as other restaurants for the same food so that "11%" tip comes out to more like 22% ...


Like my way of thinking LOL!

BTW tip is 18% and no, i wont be tipping over that. On a normal TS meal for 4 i expect our bill to be no less than 150.00 with that comes a 27.00 tip. Pretty good deal. I will however tip if i buy an alcoholic beverage. Believe me if my daughter could get a job at a place like these were she was guaranteed her money, she would be in heaven.
 
Enjoyed reading your review ~ Thanx for sharing.
 
I check in on Alfredo's reviews from time-to-time, because the place has got such consistently bad reviews over the years that it remains the only Epcot restaurant that we've never eaten in. Thanks for your update, but I have to say it convinces me that Alfredo's should retain that distinction.

Incidently, servers at Disney-owned restaurants get an 18% gratuity on all items ordered which are covered by the Dining Plan. That's really all we should need to know and worry about. However, note that Alfredo's is not a Disney-owned restaurant, so I'm not sure if they are required to be as generous with their servers as Disney is. Still, that shouldn't matter to you, the patron: You are assured that a gratuity for good service is included, so you should be able to rest easy based on that understanding.
 
This is interesting. I was not aware that Alfredo's is not a Disney owned restaurant. Are the others in World Showcase Disney owned? Is Alfredo's the only one that is not?
 
I believe Le Cellier, Rose and Crown, Marrakesh, Biergarten, Nine Dragons, and Akershus are all Disney-owned. I'm sure Alfredo's, Teppanyaki, San Angel Inn, Bistro de Paris and Chefs de France are not.
 
Bicker-I totally agree. Since DH and I are using the dining plan next trip, we tossed around with the idea of splitting a meal so we can check it out for ourselves, but we can't bring ourselves to do it! We're just picky about Italian food in general, so I can't see us liking Alfredo's.

pips-Thanks for the review, looking forward to the rest! :)
 
bicker said:
However, note that Alfredo's is not a Disney-owned restaurant, so I'm not sure if they are required to be as generous with their servers as Disney is.
The current (unofficial) info is that non-Disney-owned restaurants are paid a flat rate per diner, and the server is tipped 18% of that flat rate. Reports on the flat rate vary, but it's somewhere around $25-30. Assuming $30, the server would receive $5.40 per person. If the actual total of food ordered is $40, the tip percentage just fell to 13.5%, and it gets worse as the food total increases. To get to the 11% this waiter mentioned, the food total would be just under $50, which is certainly doable at Alfredo's. (Too lazy right now to look up the menu prices for what the OP ordered.)

I'm a huge proponent of appropriate tipping (major understatement), but this situation is one of a very few grey areas I'm willing to acknowledge. If guests are assured that an 18% tip is included in all TS meals, and the non-Disney-owned flat rate thing isn't publicized, guests have no idea that their servers are actually receiving only 11-13%.

(Clear as mud, right? :) )
 
MHopkins2 said:
(Clear as mud, right? :) )

LOL. That about sums up that policy! Even without the Italian accent, I don't think we would have been able to understand what the waiter was telling us about his tip! And I would have to add I think that is a terrible policy. Even with the higher prices at Disney, I would never leave 11% or even 13.5% gratuity. While the prices are high, the tables also turn over very slowly. While I'm sure being a server at Disneyworld (Disney owned or not) is a good gig, I really believe diners should be able to leave the tip they want to leave knowing how much the server is getting.
 
(Clear as mud, right?)
Well, especially since there's still the issue of how you tip on a discounted special. Generally, if you're at Applebees and the steak is on the specials board, and it's $7.99 instead of $9.99, most folks don't think twice about tipping on the $7.99 price. I could see someone considering that akin to tipping (18%) on the flat rate the non-Disney owned restaurants get from Disney for DDP meals -- it's a discounted price for the food you ordered. I personally wouldn't see it that way. I would view it akin to using a coupon (and when you use a coupon you're supposed to tip on the full price without the coupon). However, I'd have to admit that either perspective is valid, given the circumstances.

If we can get more offical word from Disney about this flat rate, I would be prompted to provide an additional tip at non-Disney restaurants to make up for the difference, or might actually be prompted to stick with the Disney restaurants to avoid the quandary.
 
bicker said:
I believe Le Cellier, Rose and Crown, Marrakesh, Biergarten, Nine Dragons, Akershus and San Angel Inn are all Disney-owned. I'm sure Alfredo's, Teppanyaki, Bistro de Paris and Chefs de France are not.

San Angel is not Disney owned. It's owned by the same people who run the Maya Grill at CSR. They were just talking about this on the latest WDWToday podcast.
 
Yup, thanks for the memory jogger.
 
bicker said:
If we can get more offical word from Disney about this flat rate, I would be prompted to provide an additional tip at non-Disney restaurants to make up for the difference, or might actually be prompted to stick with the Disney restaurants to avoid the quandary.
Me too, on both points. But there are two problems: 1) Disney doesn't publish a list - that I'm aware of - of the non-Disney-owned restaurants, and 2) What you and I would do is vastly outweighed by the majority of guests who just show up and eat without researching for months on the Internet.

Not to mention the problem of the folks who could be told flat out that their servers are only being tipped 11%, and wouldn't care / would think that was a sufficient tip. But that's a whole other kettle of very stinky fish.
 
TinkerbellTris said:
Hey pips I have a question for you.... Now we leave in 16 days we also purchased the DDP. Do we have to leave an additional tip? Is the tip and tax included everytime you use the DDP at the restraunt, or do we still pay Tip? I'm confused, I just want to make sure we have tip money not that we get a surprise, and don't have enough cash with us.

As stated in most of the posts, you are told that 18% tip is included. We carried $5's and $10's on us after our first night at Crystal Palace, so we could leave extra for exceptional service. We would've left more at CP, but we had no cash on us, just our key cards. We left extra at Boma and Princess lunch at Norway.
 












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