Ah, yes, the proverbial *stuff* has hit the fan!

minkydog

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But you knew it would, right? :laughing:

We had our "come to Jesus" meetings with our 2 adult sons about 10 days ago. The meetings themselves went okay, although our bio-son*John* decided it was stupid and he didn't need to have his parents telling him when to clean his room or bleach the shower. Eric*foster son* took it well and has been mostly compliant with the rules of the house: out of the house 11a-4p, clean their rooms, clean the bathroom, do their laundry. All the hard stuff, no? :confused3 At this point neither one has a job,although Eric is going to college full-time. To their credit, they have helped us with our carpet removal project, which took about 3 hours out of their day and we allowed them to take the afternoon off.

John has been steadily pushing back, not getting up when he should, not cleaning his room*(it's stoopid, remember?) Complaining that there's nothing to eat(*but he doesn't want to go to the store, either*) Basically just one long temper tantrum. Tonight it all came to a boil when we gave notice that the internet would be cut off at 11pm(they think they should stay up all night playing World of Warcraft:rolleyes:)

I saw it coming as soon as he entered the room. Eric was just trying to stay out of the way, but John is furious. Stood right there and told us how stoopid this is and he should have the internet at night because that's when he talks to his friends and he doesn't have a job and we're ruining his life.:laughing: I swear it was like listening to a two year old! Lucky for us we have raised 3 two year olds and are immune to tantrums. We stayed calm in the face of his anger, even when he started calling names. Finally his dad said "John, who pays for the DSL? Is your name on the mortgage?"

John's defense: "It's my house!" :lmao: Uh, no son, it's not your house. Then it really went into high gear. Lots of yelling and slamming and calling friends on the phone to tell them how horrible we are. He's threatening to go away and NEVER come back(Oh, Please, God!) He slammed past us on the way to his truck, cursing all the way.

DH asked him if he was coming back tonight. "@#%$^%&%^*^* no!" So then DH asked him to leave his key. I admit, I felt like that was escalating things, but DH has made up his mind: that boy is out of the house. We have the key and I'm pretty upset, but in the same way you feel upset when you have to discipline one of your children who has been naughty.

In the end it's going to be a good thing for John. As I said, Eric is walking around down in the basement trying to lay low. And our argument is not with him. He's doing everything he needs to do to comply with the house rules. But I kinda feel sorry for him. I wouldn't want to be in his shoes right now.:guilty:
 
I'm sorry your family is going through this. Sometimes tough love is the only way to go. Hang in there...
 
Hang in there. My 40 yr old brother could have used some tough love waaaaay back when. :sad2:
 
I'm sorry your family is going through this. Sometimes tough love is the only way to go. Hang in there...

Hang in there. My 40 yr old brother could have used some tough love waaaaay back when. :sad2:

Thanks, ya'll. I could really use the support. I know we're doing the right thing. But then I look at my beautiful 16yo daughter whose eyes are red from crying about her brother and I just want to make it all better. I did talk with her to reassure her that we did NOT throw her brother out, and that he had made it clear that he was unhappy living with our rules. Still :guilty:
 

Oh please, my daughters did that at 15, you did say he was an adult right? Yeah, it's time he got a reality check. Your hubby may have been a little ticked, but he did not do anything out of line. And anything less would not have been good. He needs to know you are serious and he needs to grow up.


I had a couple similar instances with my 18 yo daughter a few years back. The first thing was the cell phone bill. I told her to cut back or cut out the internet on the phone or she would need to pay for it. She decided to pay for the whole bill and I was a little shocked when I called her bluff. I handed it to her and at that point she left. She still does for the most part.
And she brought home a puppy that she left town without my permission to go get and I had already told her no, this was a giant dog and I didn't think it was a good idea with her going to college, I would have to take care of it. I told her to find it a home and she did, and went with it. She still finished school.
That dog ended up being my four legged grandson, but that is beside the point. :lmao:
 
:hug: to you. I'm sure that was very, very hard, but that's tough love, and some day he will probably thank you for it. Hang in there.
 
My son has 4 more days to find a job, or enroll in a community college. Or he goes bye-bye.

Perhaps my son and yours could be room-mates? :lmao:
 
I just deleted my post, forget it, I just read your next post. You are I are from different worlds. Good luck.
 
Oh please, my daughters did that at 15, you did say he was an adult right? Yeah, it's time he got a reality check. Your hubby may have been a little ticked, but he did not do anything out of line. And anything less would not have been good. He needs to know you are serious and he needs to grow up.

Yeah, he's 23, long past the time when we have to be legally responsible for him. And really, I'm glad my DH stood his ground with him. We have allowed things to slide for a long time and recently came to our senses. DS has been very upset by the New Order(too bad, so sad :rolleyes1)

:hug: to you. I'm sure that was very, very hard, but that's tough love, and some day he will probably thank you for it. Hang in there.


Thanks. Interestingly, I had a very similar showdown with my own mother. Except that i was 20. And had a nursing degree. And a job.

I still count the day I grew up as the day my mother threw me out. And she did it for good reason--I was being an inconsiderate ungrateful PITA. It didn't kill me. In fact, I learned that I *can* take care of myself, that i *don't* need a parent or a man or anyone else to make my life unfold. Very heady stuff to a 20yo...

My son has 4 more days to find a job, or enroll in a community college. Or he goes bye-bye.

Perhaps my son and yours could be room-mates? :lmao:

:laughing: My son can bring the TV. It got hit by lightning 2 days ago. You can still watch it if you don't mind that everything looks purple.
 
:laughing: My son can bring the TV. It got hit by lightning 2 days ago. You can still watch it if you don't mind that everything looks purple.

Oh, don't you worry about that. My son has two! One for video games - and one for cable!!

This sounds like it was meant to be, with the TV situation and all.

One thing we should find out.... does your son mind cereal bowls laying around, or hidden in places, so he doesnt have to put them in the sink - that will grow into their own science experiment?? Which will be followed by a sad lack of bowls and spoons, as they then must be thrown away?

If not - then he is the room mate for him!!
 
Oh, don't you worry about that. My son has two! One for video games - and one for cable!!

This sounds like it was meant to be, with the TV situation and all.

One thing we should find out.... does your son mind cereal bowls laying around, or hidden in places, so he doesnt have to put them in the sink - that will grow into their own science experiment?? Which will be followed by a sad lack of bowls and spoons, as they then must be thrown away?

If not - then he is the room mate for him!!

I'm sure that would be fine. Is it okay if John brings over his complete 144 piece collection of empty beer bottles and his samarai sword? I can send over the last 7 years of "Game Informer" magazine, too.:rotfl2:
 
:grouphug: You guys did the right thing! I know how hard it is. Our eldest DS knew if he wasn't in school then he had to work, and he always complied. He also had chores to do, but when those stopped he paid rent. Not alot but something.

Your DS will thank you for it one day!
 
I'm sure that would be fine. Is it okay if John brings over his complete 144 piece collection of empty beer bottles and his samarai sword? I can send over the last 7 years of "Game Informer" magazine, too.:rotfl2:

Now this is just getting fantastic!!! Joey has unique empty Liquor Bottles in his room! My goodness - they could get a snazzy display case for these artifacts!

And Game Informer magazines??? They could fill their jobless days reading up on the video games they will be playing on one of those TV's.

Please tell me your son plays Call of Duty or UFC on XBox!!! I am talking a complete "BROmance" if this is the case! :cloud9:
 
Now this is just getting fantastic!!! Joey has unique empty Liquor Bottles in his room! My goodness - they could get a snazzy display case for these artifacts!

And Game Informer magazines??? They could fill their jobless days reading up on the video games they will be playing on one of those TV's.

Please tell me your son plays Call of Duty or UFC on XBox!!! I am talking a complete "BROmance" if this is the case! :cloud9:


LOL.... my DS left some empty liqour bottles too. What's up with that??
 
Minky, you and your dh did the right thing. You have enough to handle with your dh health, christian etc. I am sure one day your ds will really appreciate his parents. Hang in there!!
 
Thanks, ya'll. I could really use the support. I know we're doing the right thing. But then I look at my beautiful 16yo daughter whose eyes are red from crying about her brother and I just want to make it all better. I did talk with her to reassure her that we did NOT throw her brother out, and that he had made it clear that he was unhappy living with our rules. Still :guilty:

Yeah -- you did the right thing! I think your DD will learn from this that as adults, everyone is expected to do certain things. You DS will have to clean up wherever he ends up living. He will have to get a job and pay for Word of Warcraft if he wants it (and internet access, and for his cell phone, and for his car's gas, insurance, upkeep, etc., etc.) This is called the "school of hard knocks" and he will end up being a mature man because of it. If you give in, you'll have a 30 year old boy living with you and still acting the same way he is now. Stand your ground.

-Dorothy (LadyZolt) (who kicked out her marijuana-smoking DS20 last year so he could learn that if he can afford pot, he can afford rent, food, internet, cell phone, etc., and that if he wants his parents to help him at all, he has to be clean, sober and enrolled full-time at an accredited school)
 
:thumbsup2Bravo to the parent here who is insisting on job or Community College!


My best friend has had issues with her son for years, and he has been in jail for drug charges, the only jobs he gets are pretty low paying. She keeps supporting him-mainly due to his uncoveravle health issues (none of his jobs have insurance)
This week he started Community College=so FINALLY he will have a documented TRADE!



Is that an option for the OP's son?:confused3
 
I'm sure it's not easy as a parent to do that but (as in so many things!) it's going to be the best for him. :thumbsup2

I wish my MIL had the backbone to do similar with my brother in law, who is now 38 and still living at home, with only temp jobs here and there. He tried going away to college, one semester, but it was "too hard" living in a dorm. She even asked the judge to include his wellbeing in her divorce agreement from FIL. (He was 25 at the time and in no way at all handicapped or anything. Well, "maturally" handicapped, lol.) The judge just laughed. Hello?

He'll thank you, one day, even as he curses you today. Hang in there!
 
I salute you MinkyDog! You did the right thing, unlike MY parents.

I turned 18 my senior year of high school and child support was cut promptly (no biggie, that was the agreement.)


Accepted at UF and was enrolled over the summer. Just before I graduated high school, I received a check for $1000 for winning scholarship. My mother walked into our apartment with it in hand and a big smile on her face. The moment after I opened this surprise--she was so happy for me then asked immediately to borrow it. I foolishly believed I would be paid back.

2.5 months later, it was time to go to UF. My stepfather had said that I got food and board over the summer and I had been paid in full. I was crushed.

That wasn't the agreement and I was pissed. Likely they didn't have the $1000 and I should have never loaned it. It was horrible.

I was very responsible and they stole my money.

Minkydog--you are not like them. You had a son who didn't like his "rental agreement" and you had to evict him.
 
It seems so good to hear that people still do understand what parenting is. It is hard. I was starting to feel that the entitlement craze was complete and no one was teaching their children to take care of themselves anymore.

When my daughters were in college, I told them that when they graduated they were welcome to come back home, but that an active job search had to be in process. No job persuit, no free ride. And that didn't just apply to the "perfect job" they were looking for, if you couldn't find that "good" job then you take whatever you can get and work your way up from there.

One of them, got angry and told me that since they hadn't asked to be born, it was my responsibility to make sure they were taken care of. When I stopped laughing...I reminded her that I had been doing just that for the last 21 years and it was now drawing to a close. Time to move on.
 







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