Advice needed: touring plan vs no touring plan

JenniKleims

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So I am planning my kids first trip and mine and my sister's second trip to DW (November 26-December 2nd) and I was wondering what thoughts would be on making a touring plan vs winging it and not doing a touring plan.
We are still planning on using our 3 FP but my sister has a disability and we will be getting the Disability Pass for her (for return time...sorry if I got the name wrong - newbie)
So...long story short - I was wondering if a touring plan would be worth it?
Right now all we have figured out is our dining...and we have all summer to decide if we want to do a touring plan - but is it worth it / beneficial to have one?
(the last time we were in Disney was 1992...and guessing crowds have become larger since way back when)
Thanks so much :)
 
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All joking aside, the answer is "It depends"...at least in my opinion. The only right way to do it is the way you prefer to do it. Sorry that's a generic answer, but it's true.

I would very much recommend reading up on FP+, understand how it works and use it to your advantage. If you chose to make a full touring plan outside of that is totally up to you. Personally, no, we don't. Outside of planning FP+ (we even swap those out spur of the moment fairly often), we are 100% wing it people. We wouldn't have it any other way. We'd be miserable with a true "touring plan". But that by no means is to say that our way is right. Tons of people would be miserable without one.

You don't "need" one, you will be allowed entrance to WDW without it. :D. However, if planning, etc... is something you really like to do for your trip, then by all means you're in the right place and will get lots of great advice on it.
 
Have a plan...you don't need to use it.
Make the planning part of the fun leading up to the trip. Involve your sister and the kids. Make it conversation over dinner, swap emails. It builds anticipation of the trip.
In making the plan, you'll learn a lot about all the options. You'll be better prepared for when your plan falls apart and you have to wing it. Being informed will reduce your frustration when you are there and have to decide on the spur of the moment, what to do next.
 
Forgot to mention:
The trip is a surprise, so everything will be figured out by the time we tell my kids (so as much as I want to involve them I won't be able to)
 

popcorn::popcorn::popcorn::

All joking aside, the answer is "It depends"...at least in my opinion. The only right way to do it is the way you prefer to do it. Sorry that's a generic answer, but it's true.

I would very much recommend reading up on FP+, understand how it works and use it to your advantage. If you chose to make a full touring plan outside of that is totally up to you. Personally, no, we don't. Outside of planning FP+ (we even swap those out spur of the moment fairly often), we are 100% wing it people. We wouldn't have it any other way. We'd be miserable with a true "touring plan". But that by no means is to say that our way is right. Tons of people would be miserable without one.

You don't "need" one, you will be allowed entrance to WDW without it. :D. However, if planning, etc... is something you really like to do for your trip, then by all means you're in the right place and will get lots of great advice on it.

We hope to do that (learn the FP+ and understand the ins and outs) we got a book on WDW (with kids) and I'm making headway through it (for a second time - first time I focused on the dining portion, this time I am focusing on the parks, the rides, etc...)
 
We always make a plan with some flexible options. Rarely have we had to stick to the plan, we travel at time with moderate corwds (week before Labor Day), so we usually don't have to fall-back on our FP+ reservations and I'm often shuffling dining options the day before. But we have them to fall back on if the crowds are more than we expect.

But if you plan to do a lot of table service meals, and especially character meals/buffets, you really should make sure to have options booked.
 
I look at Touring Plans as a tool, but not a necessity. We have been to WDW 7 times now and never officially stuck to TPs. I usually go through and pick out our must do attractions. What I do is I get a FP for a must do always known to have crazy lines and then after we use the FP we do rides by that attraction that are at the top of our list. Then the next FP in a different area and repeat. The most we have ever waited was 30 minutes even on crowd levels that are at an 8.
We know the ropes now and don't feel we have to fit everything in, so we aren't running from one attraction to the next. We get our must do stuff and then we have a 2nd set of plans when we go through the first set. If we make it through the 2nd set, great, if not, we still had tons of fun doing the stuff we enjoy the most. Our family's favorite ride at MK is Seven Dwarves, we aren't big into the meet and greets. So we make sure to get a FP for Seven and then do character meals when possible to get meet and greets done at the same time we do meals, 2 birds with 1 stone kind of thing :) The one year I went overboard and crazy trying to plan everything, we all ended up miserable and freaking out trying to make it to certain things at a certain time. We average it out to about 2.5 rides per hour all day. That's roughly 24 rides from park open to close. On busy times we get about 1.5 per hour, so 18 rides for the day.
Basically, get some ideas from TP but don't let it run your vacation.
 
I look at Touring Plans as a tool, but not a necessity. We have been to WDW 7 times now and never officially stuck to TPs. I usually go through and pick out our must do attractions. What I do is I get a FP for a must do always known to have crazy lines and then after we use the FP we do rides by that attraction that are at the top of our list. Then the next FP in a different area and repeat. The most we have ever waited was 30 minutes even on crowd levels that are at an 8.
We know the ropes now and don't feel we have to fit everything in, so we aren't running from one attraction to the next. We get our must do stuff and then we have a 2nd set of plans when we go through the first set. If we make it through the 2nd set, great, if not, we still had tons of fun doing the stuff we enjoy the most. Our family's favorite ride at MK is Seven Dwarves, we aren't big into the meet and greets. So we make sure to get a FP for Seven and then do character meals when possible to get meet and greets done at the same time we do meals, 2 birds with 1 stone kind of thing :) The one year I went overboard and crazy trying to plan everything, we all ended up miserable and freaking out trying to make it to certain things at a certain time. We average it out to about 2.5 rides per hour all day. That's roughly 24 rides from park open to close. On busy times we get about 1.5 per hour, so 18 rides for the day.
Basically, get some ideas from TP but don't let it run your vacation.

Thanks!!
I am just afraid that if I plan - I will over plan and stress out about where we should be and when...and then the enjoyable vacation will become one that we will not want to remember LOL
I'm thinking I will take your suggestion of looking, getting ideas and just running with it.
 
We hope to do that (learn the FP+ and understand the ins and outs) we got a book on WDW (with kids) and I'm making headway through it (for a second time - first time I focused on the dining portion, this time I am focusing on the parks, the rides, etc...)

There is a great thread in this forum all about FP+. Read through that, it won't take all that long, and you'll learn a TON about how it all works. Then if you have questions, ask away here.

The biggest thing I try to tell WDW newbies is to NOT stress out to the point it's no longer fun. WDW is supposed to be magical, don't plan the magic out of it. For some people, planning is part of the magic, and that's fantastic. I like wdw&sonny's post above. Come up with at least a loose plan. If you use it, fantastic, but if you don't or if it falls apart, then don't stress about it.

I'll tell you exactly how DW and I plan, we just did it again a few weeks ago for our upcoming July trip. We don't eat in the restaurants, we pack our own food, so keep in mind we don't have to worry about dining reservations. We grab an 8x11 sheet of paper and write down all the days of our trip. Monday, Tuesday, etc... We then start with MK, because for us it's tradition to start every trip there. From there, we simply do a variety of parks. We don't go exactly A,B,C,D,A,B,C,D, but we rotate relatively evenly...with a slight bias toward MK. No rhyme or reason to our selections...we don't look at crowd calendars, EMH, etc...just pick parks on a whim. Since we're not the types to stay in the park from open to close, we'll put AM or PM next to the park. So for example, on this trip, Friday is our first park day. I have to work that day (my job is kind enough to let me work remote), so we can't even go to the park until late afternoon. So the paper says "Friday - MK PM" Then Saturday is "DQ (Disney Quest) morning, HS mid-afternoon". Sunday says "Epcot AM", Monday "AK PM", etc... We then grab the appropriate FP+ when the window opens. No particular strategy to that either, just grab rides we can get and what the kids would want to get on. We fill the times between FP+ getting on other rides that don't need them.

The times that don't have something written down on our sheet, such as Sunday PM in our above plan (since we're in Epcot for the AM), is what we call "freestyle" time. That literally means we decide on the spot what to do. That leaves so much flexibility, we love it. So on Sunday, when we're eating lunch in Epcot, we'll ask the kids "What do you want to do this afternoon?" If they want to stay in Epcot, great. Want to head to MK? Let's go (check MDE before we go to make sure there's something they'd ride that doesn't have a long line and/or we can get a FP+ for it). Sometimes they're tired and we just want to go back to the condo. Great.

That "planning" we do on the 8x11 sheet of paper is done in less time than it takes us to drink a cup of coffee at Dunkin' Donuts, literally. It's all of 40 minutes or so...and that's for a 17 day trip. Certainly, we have a big advantage because we're WDW veterans, but you get my drift. We have a very loose plan, so we have some concept of where we're going on a given day, but more than half of the time is freestyle, and even sometimes we'll change our FP+ for the next day because the kids want to.

Plan or not, I definitely suggest doing reading here, you'll learn a ton.
 
My guide to a plan vs none is this....

Set up what days you want to go to what parks. Work on dining reservations. Get your FP's for those days. After that, be open to whatever may happen.

When we go to WDW we set up a framework like I described and we just kinda go where the people aren't, lol. Having a flexible schedule will let you enjoy things the most, imo.
 
My advice would be to do something in between. Since you have your dining planned, plan your parks around that and pick 4 rides per park day that you want to do (3 FP+ and one you will ride with the DAS pass for your sister). This is what we do (my DS9 also has a disability and this is about all he can handle in one day).

I would schedule your first FP+ for around 10 am. This will give you time in the morning in case you want to sleep in or, if you do rope drop, it gives you the first hour or two to do some rides standby. We typically do FP+ at 10 am, 11 am and 1 pm (this gives us 2-3 hours to get some lunch, either TS or QS). We get a return DAS time for the 4th ride we've chosen as we walk past that ride heading to our FP+ attractions. After our last FP+, we either stay (if DS is up for it) or we go back to the resort to relax. If we stay, we can either get another DAS return time or look for FP+ availability on my phone. Typically, we go back to the resort to relax and go back out again for dinner and possibly another park at night for a few more rides or nighttime entertainment. When picking our FP+ rides and times, we always keep walking and criss-crossing the parks to a minimum, so I would suggest looking at the park maps when choosing which order to do your rides. By picking 4 rides per day and your dining, you have some structure to do your "must-do's", but also some flexibility to wing it a little bit.
 
Thanks so much for all the tips everyone!! Appreciate it.
I will take a look at the fast pass post (thanks for mentioning it - must have missed it)
 
So I am planning my kids first trip and mine and my sister's second trip to DW (November 26-December 2nd) and I was wondering what thoughts would be on making a touring plan vs winging it and not doing a touring plan.
We are still planning on using our 3 FP but my sister has a disability and we will be getting the Disability Pass for her (for return time...sorry if I got the name wrong - newbie)
So...long story short - I was wondering if a touring plan would be worth it?
Right now all we have figured out is our dining...and we have all summer to decide if we want to do a touring plan - but is it worth it / beneficial to have one?
(the last time we were in Disney was 1992...and guessing crowds have become larger since way back when)
Thanks so much :)
I use a basic plan that I create myself, but am not chained to it when at the parks. It helps to have a plan.
 
Guess I am going to sit with my sister and make a loose plan of what we want to do and what we want to see (understanding we cannot see and do it all in one trip)
Glad we have 165 days to figure it out
 
Depending on your sisters disability and if/how much that will impact what you can do, I agree with the rough plan idea. When my parents fully put me in charge of planning three trips ago I was super stressed at first thinking we HAD to fit the essentials in, but I realized once we got there that 1) things had changed now that my parents had mobility issues and moved a lot slower and 2) I had way more fun being in the moment in the parks rather than sticking to my set schedules. I think a key part of enjoying a trip is realizing any limits of your group and making two lists, one of your must do's and another of your would like to do's. That will help you pick FP and make a rough strategy for the trip. Happy planning!
 
You have gotten a lot of good advice here! Definitely choose which park, meals, and FP for headliners in advance. From there, you will have an outline of a plan based on reservation time and layout in the parks, but I wouldn't try to get any more detailed than that in advance. Rather than a specific plan I would recommend choosing a few priorities each day. When we head to a park, each person chooses two things they want to do that day, one 'big' and one 'small'. These can include rides (big like Splash Mountain or small like Aladdin's carpets), meals/snacks, shows, shopping... whatever the goals will be for the day. Rather than trying to do everything, we try to make sure to hit at least one of each person's top choices, and when it is just the four of us, we usually hit all 8. This makes it easier to decide what to use as fillers and what to skip without feeling like you need to do it all.
 
Since we go and try to plan 2 days per park, we split the parks in half for rope drop. We book FPs for later in the morning starting around 11-ish. We hit all the big, fast rides first at rope drop, then hit the big rides that are SLOW later (Splash Mtn, PotC, HM, etc). We are able to do all of that by 1PM and that half of the park is done. If lines are not too long, we may hit other attractions. If lines are long, we go back to the resort to enjoy the amenities and go back to a park at night.

Doing the parks this way lets us enjoy the parks more. We don't have to run around everywhere and from one side of a park to the other. For shorter trips, this plan does not work well.
 
I am loving this site more and more every day.
Thank you everyone for all of the advice!!! (really appreciate it all!!)
 
I'm an obsessive planner by nature - I really really enjoyed all the planning for our first trip (spreadsheets, lists etc. are my best friend). But I've done enough family travel to know that things don't ever go exactly how you think they will. By having a plan of attack I was able to make sure we hit all the stuff we really wanted to do and not do a lot of unnecessary walking. When we hit snags (like a ride being down), I knew what was nearby and was able to sub in another kind of ride or attraction while keeping our overall trajectory more or less the same. I was really glad I had done my research (and eternally grateful for the Disboards) so that I was able to steer the ship while allowing for stuff that someone randomly wanted to do (for example, DH wanted to go on the Liberty steamboat, which I hadn't planned on doing at all, but it was a nice change of pace!) If I hadn't done my obsessive planning, I think we would have spent way more time in line because we wouldn't have had a good handle on the options.
 
I think learning about fastpass, researching parade and fireworks and the best viewing areas and how much in advance you need to show up are really helpful. But as far as really specific, down to the last minute type plans I can vouch that this kind of planning can be fun, maddening and stressful all at the same time! And when I do that it generally goes out the window anyway!

I find that knowing what we'll do first thing, last thing and where we'll eat (if an ADR is required), plus having our three fastpasses is about as specific as I need.

The best trip we ever had was our first one. No plans, no idea what we were doing, missed tons of stuff and had a wonderful time.

Even with all this advance fastpass, My Disney Experience and everything else they've come up with there is still plenty of room for spontaneity and flexibility.

Enjoy your trip, you picked a magical time to go!
 


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