advice, let her get a zero, or not?

ColoradoBuffaloMom said:
I'd let her do what she thinks she should do. Either she has a great memory and all will be ok or she will learn a lesson that it is best to bring home the instructions (especially after mom and dad have reminded her a few times.)

I know it is tough not to rescue her and you just want to help her out but in the long run now is the time for her to learn this tough lesson rather than when she gets to Middle School or High School when the stakes are higher.


I'm in complete agreement... It sounds like she thinks she knows it all and can handle it all -which she may be able to do. I've got one of these, and from time to time, I have had to let her "fall on her face", so to speak, to remind her that following directions is a good idea - directions like doing what your parents ask you to do, etc. But, on the other hand, sometimes she really did go ahead and take care of it on her own. :)
 
there is nothing in the world I despise more than those artsy-crafty Family Projects.



Let her do it, she won't get a zero if she comes up with something to turn in.
 
You say your daughter is a good student? Then why not trust her on this?

why can't you help her do the project the way she says it should be done? If I were her - I would feel like you don't trust me - if she is wrong so be it but in the meantime I would trust her and stop making a mountain out of a molehill
 
shortbun said:
"family project" at our school means parents are expected to participate and the teacher won't deliver a zero, especially if it's apparent that the child does NOT have the support of their parents. I think your daughter should get the instructions from a friend with your help and do the project, with your help. The teacher expects the project to be a collaboration. I don't think your idea of teaching your DD a lesson is what the teacher had in mind on this one. Certainly, make your DD responsible but this might not be the time.

shortbun, this is my DD's school as well. Some parents never get involved with their kids' homework and can't say what their children are studying at any given time in school. These projects are to actively get the parents involved in their children's education. It also helps bring the family closer and helps a parent demonstrate problem solving skills as they work together on these projects. My family always goes out and celebrates when we get good grades on our "family projects." If it was me, I would call a classmate's parent for instructions and help her.
 

If she says that she knows what to do, then let her do the project the way she remembers. If she does it right, that is great. If she doesn't, then she will learn to bring the instructions home next time.

She can also call a friend and get the instructions, IF SHE WANTS TO. She sounds like she is sure about what is to be done, so probably won't want to call. Don't make her.

Though you want to rescue her, don't. If she is wrong, help her learn from the failure. This will benefit her more than rescuing her. :flower:

posted by suzannen: These projects are to actively get the parents involved in their children's education. It also helps bring the family closer and helps a parent demonstrate problem solving skills as they work together on these projects.

What you are saying is true. However, unfortunately, it does not always work that way.

We had a lot of these "family" projects during third grade. All of our friends and us called them the "parent projects" as there was no way the kids could do these on their own without a lot of help. It got to the point that the kids did not enjoy doing them at all and we would all have tears as we had to make the kids finish them. This was throughout all 3 classes of 3rd graders. We have had "family" projects in other grades that were fun to do--where the kids are in charge and parents are there to provide assistance. Which is what suzannen was saying.

However, unfortunately, I can also remember seeing projects that were turned in--this was with my older dd--where it was so obvious that the child did not do the work. There was no way the items were cut by a child, glued by a child or the project even designed by a child! Then you have the opposite extreme where the child got absolutely NO help from a parent and you have to admire those kids for getting something done to turn in.

I like the projects that are completed at school the best, especially in elementary. I don't mind helping collect materials to send in or doing some preliminary work, but then the teacher is able to see the kids working on the project and know their strengths/weaknesses, problem solving skills, comprehension, etc. Plus it puts everyone on a more even playing ground. JMHO
 
I decided this year I was going to let DS14 sink or swim on his own merits. I'm not going to nag, I'm not going to remind. He's a freshman in high school and needs to learn responsibility at some point, or suffer the consequences. I'm getting a lot of varying feedback from different people on this -- some think I'm totally cruel and setting him up for failure -- some agree wholeheartedly. He's always been the type to pull it together at the zero hour and squeak by with passing grades when he could be at least a straight B student.

That being said -- it's very hard to follow through on, and I'm not totally convinced that it's appropriate to do for a 8 year old -- although I'm certainly not saying it's not. You know your daughter best and it's your call!

Good luck!
 
. These projects are to actively get the parents involved in their children's education. It also helps bring the family closer and helps a parent demonstrate problem solving skills as they work together on these projects. My family always goes out and celebrates when we get good grades on our "family projects." If it was me, I would call a classmate's parent for instructions and help her.

Sure, but depending on how that is presented, it can get awfully condescending.

My son once came home with a family project (also commonly known as an expensive arts and crafts monstrosity that no 8 year old boy could ever be expected to complete on his own) with a carefully composed note from the teacher explaining how building a scale model of the Lincoln Memorial using the "things we all have at home anyway like popsicle sticks" would allow our family to bond, discuss our State's rich heritage and what it means to us, and develop our interest in each other and happenings in our life all at the same time!

I REALLY wanted to write a note back

Dear Ms. ______ :

I really wanted to thank you for the opportunity you gave me this weekend to finally "really" get to know that young child. I mean, sure I gave birth to him, breastfed him, have given him home and hearth, sat through a week of Chicken Pox, have spent countless hours washing his underwear, picking up his toys, studying spelling words, and memorizing the ABC song and all the that other stuff with him --- but finding a way to attach Mr. Lincoln's nose sure did bring us much closer together than that trip to the lake over one of the last nice fall weekends of the year ever could have accomplished!

In thanks, I'd really like to return the favor. I called YOUR Mother this morning and learned that you haven't been over for dinner in months and in fact haven't even returned all those messages she left on your answering machine this week. I'm so glad to have the chance to present the opportunity to enrich your personal life and family connectivity they way you have done for my family.

Bright and early Saturday morning, your Mom will have the materials needed (I'm sure she just had them lying around anyway) on her kitchen table for you and her to TOGETHER construct a scale model diorama that will adequately depict the environment most present either during the Triassic, Jurassic, or Crestaceous period. You need only choose one, but if you want to build a couple go right ahead! If you are unsure of the climatic differences of those periods, that information can easily be obtained from a trip to the town library together. I honestly do not want any family to spend a significant amount of money on this project, please just use all that dinosaur related stuff that I'm sure you and your Mom have in your closets and cupboards.

Please remember that although neatness certainly will count heavily in how I view your results, I would like for "all the team members" to help in the building. I realize your Mother's arthritis might make some of the detail work difficult, but certainly let her try. I do realize that adults can sometimes get overcome with the excitement of getting to contruct these funs arts and crafts that they sometimes get selfish and hog the fun. Just try to remember not to leave any of your "team members" sitting on the bench the whole game.

Now you enjoy yourself!
 
Toby'sFriend - LOL! Although, the "theory" of family projects can be good for all of the reasons I mentioned, but in reality, I do agree with all of the problems others have mentioned when we do get these projects.

Sweet Angel - I'd love for you to keep us posted as the year progresses on how your "sink or swim" approach with your DS works.
 
suzannen said:
Toby'sFriend - LOL! Although, the "theory" of family projects can be good for all of the reasons I mentioned, but in reality, I do agree with all of the problems others have mentioned when we do get these projects.

Sweet Angel - I'd love for you to keep us posted as the year progresses on how your "sink or swim" approach with your DS works.
I'll try! If I forget, PM me and ask -- I'll be happy to vent my frustrations! :)
 
At first it is difficult to let your child, that your instinct is to protect at all costs, sink, but it does get easier once you realize that they really are THEIR choices and THEIR consequnces. I mean in the end if they don't do their home work and fail the test does that really effect YOU in anyway?
 


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