Adventureland in MK to open at 10 a.m. daily beginning Sunday

[Peter Pirate]

Captain Hook, you are certainly free to cross town to the other parks and in fact I urge anyone with half the mind to go ahead and go...It may be exactly what you're looking for. But don't expect those "corporate weasels" to be any different.

 

[KNWVIKING]

I would urge everyone to head over to sponge bob land. You will realize anew what IS so great about WDW. Go and look at food prices and portion size.Take carefull note of the restrooms and TP. Observe the CM's (or whatever their title may be) in action. Look at the details.

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

Originally posted by Dznefreek
Remember that catchy little catch-all phrase:
Attraction times and availability are subject to change without notice.

MY GOD!!! YES!!! OF COURSE!!! I SHOULD HAVE REALIZED!!!

That little sentence makes everything all right!

Whew! And there for a minute I was starting to doubt Disney!!

 

[MelissathePooh]

Definitely not what I like to hear. We usually start in Adventureland. Fortunately our next vist over Thanksgiving we plan on hitting Philharmagoc first and hopefully by our next May trip it will be back to normal.

 

[blackshirt]

I am just sick to death of all the complaining! Disney is a business. This is a BUSINESS decision. If you don't like it don't go. Personally, I don't get up til ten, so it doesn't affect me. Hey, you are at DISNEY WORLD!!!! The worst vacation day is better than the best day at work. Don't you realize there are starving people in China? Or India, whatever. The MAGIC is still there !!!! Note to self, the prozac is starting to take control.

 

[ArcticWildMan]

Originally posted by blackshirt
I am just sick to death of all the complaining! Disney is a business. This is a BUSINESS decision. If you don't like it don't go. Personally, I don't get up til ten, so it doesn't affect me. Hey, you are at DISNEY WORLD!!!! The worst vacation day is better than the best day at work. Don't you realize there are starving people in China? Or India, whatever. The MAGIC is still there !!!! Note to self, the prozac is starting to take control.

And as a business they are reducing the value of what people pay for. That is one hour less access to part of the Magic Kingdom. How many hundreds (and maybe THOUSANDS) of people will that force into the other parts of the park thus increasing wait lines and general crowded conditions?

Justify it all you want with your rose colored glasses firmly planted on your nose, this is just a sneaky way to save a few more pennys.

Disney knows most people like you will just shrug it off and continue on their merry way. Heck, I bet they could close all the lands down till noon and a lot of people would still be happy just to stare at the park on the other side of the gate. After all, EVERYTHING Disney does is MAGIC, right??? We should feel honored just to be fortunate enough to even see the castle in the distance!!

 

[KNWVIKING]

Me thinks blackshirts post was sarcasm. Actually, I'm pretty certain it was.

 

[ArcticWildMan]

Yeah, my bad. But he gave me the perfect lead in for my comments


I lost track of which board this discussion was on. I thought this was the one on the rose colored glasses board (better known as the Theme Park Attractions and Strategy Board)

 

[curtisl]

Originally posted by KNWVIKING
I would urge everyone to head over to sponge bob land. You will realize anew what IS so great about WDW. Go and look at food prices and portion size.Take carefull note of the restrooms and TP. Observe the CM's (or whatever their title may be) in action. Look at the details.

We did that during our last visit. We found IOA immaculately clean and all of the CM's extrordinarily polite, friendly and talkative. The food was imaginative and decent. I don't think you can find Green Eggs and Ham and a Dagwood sandwich anywhere else. The place was beautifully themed and imaginative.

What's your point?

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

curtisl,

I agree!!

 

[KNWVIKING]

Please tell me your last posts were jokes, Right ? If not, never mind. It's not even worth the effort.

 

[Peter Pirate]

Viking, you know I'm with you but I don't think they're joking. Many people feel that IOA (especially) has equaled Disney quality. My good friend GCurling has little bad to say about them, although I don't believe he has them on an equal par as of yet.

But in the final analysis, this is good and proper. People are free to choose where they spend their hard earned vacation dollars and I have only the best wishes for the future of USF...

But Baron, I have to ask, will your family member CM be applying to USF anytime soon?

 

[KNWVIKING]

...I don't think Curtis was joking, but I believe Barons endorsement was just his way of advancing his agenda, wether he actually agrees with Curtis or not. I like US/IOA, matter of fact DW and I have AP's there. They have some great rides. But it ain't Disney.

 

[DVC-Landbaron]

OK! There have been a lot of new members here since I first began, and to be honest, I have a really hard time explaining my position. Maybe it’s time to start over and explain yet once again, how someone can VEHEMENTLY disagree with the current business philosophy and still LOVE Disney! Especially the Disney of old. And the philosophical ideals that built the company. (I really don’t know why that is so hard to understand.)

Anyway, those who do not understand, well… they seem to have a nasty habit of pigeonholing some of us, and before you know – WHAM!!! – I become someone who is, “advancing his agenda”, when I didn’t even know I had an agenda!! I just LOVED the way Walt did business! Nothing more and nothing less!!

Now let’s clarify a bit. Is the question –

Is IOA like or better than "Walt’s" Disney?

Or is the question –

Is IOA like or better than Disney®?


If it’s the first question then get ready for a 40 page thread and 1000 word posts tearing apart IOA one green egg at a time!!! But if you want to discuss Disney® vs. IOA, well then, call up Gcurling and tell him the Baron is on his side. IOA IS starting to do things better than Disney®. Or more likely Disney is lowing it’s level to IOA standards. And that’s the whole damned problem, isn’t it!?!?

But Baron, I have to ask, will your family member CM be applying to USF anytime soon?

Does she really look like IOA material to you, Peter? (Be careful! Be very careful! I know where you live!!!)

I like US/IOA, matter of fact DW and I have AP's there. They have some great rides. But it ain't Disney.

But why “ain’t it Disney”? Because of all the new and exciting things that Ei$ner has thrown into the place in the ‘Disney Decade’? Or is it because of all the ‘stuff’ Walt packed into it (including the way he trained his CMs)?

Think about it! I mean really think about it. If WDW was just the two parks that Ei$ner built (MGM and AK) wouldn’t you rather spend the day in IOA? I would!!! And I wouldn't think twice about it.

But, then again, maybe that’s just my agenda.

 

[Another Voice]

"I don't think Curtis was joking, but I believe Barons endorsement was just his way of advancing his agenda, wether he actually agrees with Curtis or not. "

And everyone was playing so nicely with each. Knew it was too good to last...

 

[Planogirl]

I visited Universal for the first time this year as many know. I only did so because my son had been pleading to go for quite a while but I was worried. I was worried because of the comments I'd read on these boards that the place was dirty and dull. Frankly, I expected each Universal employee to look like a biker after some of the posters on this website got done trashing them.

These slams were wrong. Universal was clean, fun, imaginative and the employees were nice to us. And that was BOTH parks not just IOA. Either Universal has changed or I've been misinformed. I hate to assume that people would misinform me so if Universal has changed that means that it's improving. While Disney is going downhill. That worries me! One is improving while the other is going downhill (IMO).

But the most annoying thing is that when things seem wrong at Disney it's always "but it's better than Universal". WHAT IN THE WORLD does Universal have to do with Disney's problems?

And no Viking, I'm not joking.

By the way Baron, I don't know why it would be so bad to be a Universal employee. We met some nice people and some very talented people. But of course, I don't know anything about what goes on behind the scenes there.

 

[Peter Pirate]

As you've often pointed out to me PG, our individual experiences are nice but perhaps don't offer much in trends. My daughter (14) has visited USF 3 times in the past 18 months (so things haven't changed) and she laughs when I somethimes mistakingly refer to USF employees as CM's...She says "Dad, they're fast food workers"...generally meaning young kids with an attitude (as we have in our neck of the...Ocean)...

As for comparing the two places, USF & WDW, I think you'll only see me respond to this when someone first makes the statment, "Well, I'm not going back to WDW again. I'm giving IOA my business. They know how to treat customers..."

But still it has to be a fair comparison when so many people, in argument, try to hold USF as a better than Disney-like experience...Don't you think? How else can we (uh-oh, what's a politically correct label I can use?)...How can we Disney acceptors and sometimes lovers of the current Disney (hows that ) argue our point without appearing heavy handed?

 

[KMovies]

Here is what I don't understand:

Off season hours for Universal Studios closing at 5:30 and 6:00 PM - that is ok IOA at 7:00 or 8:00 - still no complaints

The hours are much better at WDW - but yet hear complaints all the time about MK closing at 6:00 - not getting our moneys worth - one land opens one hour later - outrage.

On a scale from 1 - 10, WDW is probably a 9. People expect a 10 so it is complain, complain, complain.

On a scale from 1 - 10, Universal is probably an 8. People expect a 6 or 7 so it is great, great, great.

If you are not going to go to WDW or MK because 1 land opens 1 hour later then you probably wouldn't have went anyways. Even if that pushes more people to the rest of the park, the first hour is probably the slowest and you probably wouldn't even notice it at all.

 

[KNWVIKING]

***"And everyone was playing so nicely with each. Knew it was too good to last..."***

Don't worry, I always play nice...well, most of the time anyway.

Baron, I always take what you say with a grain of salt because I've never seen you acknowledge anything positive that happens at Disney, (don't bother asking me to list positives, you've asked before,I've listed my positives,and you either didn't read my post or just chose to ignore it), and never fail to acknowledge a negative post. I don't doubt that you love Disney and are frustrated by the things you see happening, but IMO you are only looking for the negatives.

"But why ain't it Disney"

We were just there in June. I could go into specific details about rides,food,dirt and CM's, but what would be the point. I know what I saw, I know what I paid, and I know we came away from there saying "it ain't Disney".

On 2nd thought I will point out two things about IOA.

1) I don't recall the name of it, but there is a restaurant built into a mountain. There are walkways,sitting areas outside this "mountain" that lead down to a waterfront area. What could have been a beautiful area looked more like an inner city park in Camden.

2) This isn't so much a "bash" against IOA as it is a "what if this happened at Disney" observation. IOA has a ride- looks pretty cool, a hang glider sorta ride with teradactols(sp)- where an adult must have a child in order to get on it. Any guesses as to how many pages that thread would be if Disney tried doing something like that ?

 

[sters]

In my last trip, I was unhappily surprised to learn that Toontown doesn't open until 10, but now ADVENTURELAND as well???? I was just reeling from the knowledge that the Jungle Cruise, one of the most popular and crowded rides, doesn't open until 10, when I had planned on doing Adventureland first... but now the WHOLE LAND??? THIS IS AN OUTRAGE! Maybe there is something to Universal Studios afterall. I hear they treat their guests better, as in front of the line access to their hotel guests. Maybe I'll check them out on my future trips where I dont' feel like I'm being nickle and dimed to death.