Additional EV Charging Stations?

Niewoe

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Have there been any rumors of WDW adding more EV charging stations, especially at resorts? It makes it pretty tough to travel and stay on property when there are 0 charging stations at some resorts. Some just have wall plugs. Seems like a no brainer to add these - most nice resorts have them.
 
No brainer?

Today it's few level 1 power stations that any existing buildings electrical system can handle, and minimum cost to the building owner. In a few year, how many EVs will be on the road and pulling up at a WDW Resort or Theme Park? Buildings aren't designed with that much capacity in their electrical systems, in fact the electrical grid as a whole isn't likly to be able to handle it.

Most owners have a small slow charger at home.... something like 3KW that might get them 100 Miles after 8hrs of charging. Newer commercial 150KW rapid chargers (most older EVs can't handle, but new ones will) can get you 100 miles in 15 minutes. Of course a new Level 4, 150KW charger uses more power than the average home is designed for, and even most commercial buildings don't have that kind of spare capacity. Then too the technology is still changing, where will it be in 5Years or 10Years? Maybe 300KW chargers, or will each car have it's own "Mr Fusion"? In the end Disney has to look at what it is going to cost them to offer this service, how long it will take them to see a return, and what the risks might be.
 

No brainer?

Today it's few level 1 power stations that any existing buildings electrical system can handle, and minimum cost to the building owner. In a few year, how many EVs will be on the road and pulling up at a WDW Resort or Theme Park? Buildings aren't designed with that much capacity in their electrical systems, in fact the electrical grid as a whole isn't likly to be able to handle it.

Most owners have a small slow charger at home.... something like 3KW that might get them 100 Miles after 8hrs of charging. Newer commercial 150KW rapid chargers (most older EVs can't handle, but new ones will) can get you 100 miles in 15 minutes. Of course a new Level 4, 150KW charger uses more power than the average home is designed for, and even most commercial buildings don't have that kind of spare capacity. Then too the technology is still changing, where will it be in 5Years or 10Years? Maybe 300KW chargers, or will each car have it's own "Mr Fusion"? In the end Disney has to look at what it is going to cost them to offer this service, how long it will take them to see a return, and what the risks might be.

There are companies that will put the chargers in and the person using the charger needs to pay. I'm not sure about the electrical capacity, but if hospitals, Wawas, and Walmarts can figure it out, I'm sure Disney can. This wasn't really the point of my post. I was just asking if anyone has heard a rumor of them adding more.

Just another example of owners of EVs wanting a free ride! I already don't have to pay fuel taxes and now they want free charging stations? Of course they also get government incentive to buy the electric vehicles etc. etc. etc.

Are you okay?
 
Are you okay?
Just trying to figure out why people think EVs are such a great thing. When you add in all the rare-earth materials required to manufacture the batteries, the costs of manufacturing and disposal of the batteries etc. there really isn't any if much payback. Add to that limited range and time required to recharge we have to look for other better sources for our future transportation needs and I'm not a huge advocate of IC either.
 
Just trying to figure out why people think EVs are such a great thing. When you add in all the rare-earth materials required to manufacture the batteries, the costs of manufacturing and disposal of the batteries etc. there really isn't any if much payback. Add to that limited range and time required to recharge we have to look for other better sources for our future transportation needs and I'm not a huge advocate of IC either.
All analyses that I’ve seen show a net gain in environmental impacts after 15-20K miles. I keep my cars well into 100K+ so the math is in favor of an EV. Recharge time for most owners is at home. I have a plug-in hybrid. It takes a few seconds to plug in in my garage. I’ve gone up to 3 months between fill ups. That’s a lot of time saved every week at the gas pump. So I can justify a longer road trip charge time. My electricity is pretty cheap. An EV I’m looking into buying will cost me about $10 to get 300 miles of range when charging at home. At the most expensive chargers that I’ve seen, the charge would cost me around $37. My ICE car would cost me about $55 for 300 miles at today’s gas prices.

EVs aren’t for everyone, but more people could see benefits from driving one than currently realize it. It took driving a plug in hybrid to realize that I love the benefits of skipping the gas pumps.
 
The primary advantage of an EV over a regular gas engine (ICE) vehicle and even a hybrid is zero emissions. Yes, they are dirty to build and consume many rare earth minerals, but once constructed they emit no CO2 or any thing else.
 
Just trying to figure out why people think EVs are such a great thing. When you add in all the rare-earth materials required to manufacture the batteries, the costs of manufacturing and disposal of the batteries etc. there really isn't any if much payback. Add to that limited range and time required to recharge we have to look for other better sources for our future transportation needs and I'm not a huge advocate of IC either.
CA now has >$6 gas. I have a 20 mile (each way) commute and drive a 2012 Volt. I charge on a Chargepoint (about $3/day) @ work and the gas does the rest (about 35 mpg on gas alone). I average about 5 gallons of gas per week. I calculated it early on and discovered if gas is <$3 (hasn't been that cheap in a LONG time in CA) then plugging it in @ Chargepoint is a little more expensive then just driving with gas only. You can get a 2015 Volt with reasonable miles for around $10k. I'm having an issue at home or I'd charge there too and eliminate the gas altogether, so my costs are a max, not a min. I'm glad I'm driving the Volt instead of the big SUVs some of my co workers drive. They are racking up > $100/week to fill the tank. I drive away for $45/week including gas and electric.

You decide, but it doesn't seem that complicated.
 
The primary advantage of an EV over a regular gas engine (ICE) vehicle and even a hybrid is zero emissions. Yes, they are dirty to build and consume many rare earth minerals, but once constructed they emit no CO2 or any thing else.
Depends on how the electricity is generated, but this is essentially correct.
 
Disney absolutely does need more EV stations. For a park like Epcot, having just 4 charging stations is unacceptable.

All Resorts should have at least a couple. Wilderness lodge has 2 spots, but they are painfully slow. Riviera has a couple slightly better ones.

I’m currently sitting at the Celebration Super Charger because my hotel didn’t have any charging.
 
Just another example of owners of EVs wanting a free ride! I already don't have to pay fuel taxes and now they want free charging stations? Of course they also get government incentive to buy the electric vehicles etc. etc. etc.

Charging isn’t free. I probably pay close to gas prices when I charge away from home.
 
They could certainly put chargers at 'convenience' locations, like the Disney Springs parking lots (might as well charge while we're here for dinner/shopping) or even have designated spots in the parks' main parking lots. When we drive the Portland to LA round trip we pick overnight spots (or mid trip rest stops) based on chargers and what's near them, so hotels and restaurants that have chargers end up getting more business.
 
Question - if there are a limited number of charging stations what’s to stop someone from parking at one of them, plugging in, and then leaving for the day/night? Especially if it stops charging automatically when it is “full.” During the day couldn’t it just become a really good parking spot (close to the entrance), and overnight if you come in late and need a charge you might not get one if someone is using it already and doesn’t bother to move the car when they are finished.
 
Question - if there are a limited number of charging stations what’s to stop someone from parking at one of them, plugging in, and then leaving for the day/night? Especially if it stops charging automatically when it is “full.” During the day couldn’t it just become a really good parking spot (close to the entrance), and overnight if you come in late and need a charge you might not get one if someone is using it already and doesn’t bother to move the car when they are finished.
It's just the same as those of us with disabilities. People park in the handicapped spots that really don't need them but have "grandma's" handicapped hanger so they can park close yet those of us who were stuck in wheelchairs and need a wide space to park so we can put down our ramps can't get one! What's to stop someone that doesn't even need to charge their vehicle from parking in a charging station? Especially of charging stations are upfront which most of them are?
 
Question - if there are a limited number of charging stations what’s to stop someone from parking at one of them, plugging in, and then leaving for the day/night? Especially if it stops charging automatically when it is “full.” During the day couldn’t it just become a really good parking spot (close to the entrance), and overnight if you come in late and need a charge you might not get one if someone is using it already and doesn’t bother to move the car when they are finished.
One of my pet peeves. There is one Level 2 charger in the garage where I park. I will check it and sure enough some loser is parked there and is no longer charging or worse yet a non-electric vehicle.
 
Question - if there are a limited number of charging stations what’s to stop someone from parking at one of them, plugging in, and then leaving for the day/night?
Some have a timed based charge after your EV charged. You could even tow. Send the owner an app message. You are now being charged $xx per minute. Your vehicle might be towed if not moved in an hour.
 
Question - if there are a limited number of charging stations what’s to stop someone from parking at one of them, plugging in, and then leaving for the day/night? Especially if it stops charging automatically when it is “full.” During the day couldn’t it just become a really good parking spot (close to the entrance), and overnight if you come in late and need a charge you might not get one if someone is using it already and doesn’t bother to move the car when they are finished.
It's up to the owner of the property, but IME, the answer to that is "nothing" except the unwritten EV rules of etiquette. I get charged $1/hour for the 1st 5 hours where I usually plug in, and that goes up to $5/hour after that. The property owner sets the fee schedule. I get an automated text right before it changes. BUT, all I have to do is go on the Chargepoint app and shut it off - I don't have to even go back to the car and unplug, let alone move the car. Most property owners really don't care enough to get in the middle of an EV charging squabble so they won't enforce.

FWIW - the Disneyland Chargepoint chargers are on the 1st floor of the M&F structure and they charge $1.50/hour (on top of the parking fee everyone else pays).
 
Just another example of owners of EVs wanting a free ride! I already don't have to pay fuel taxes and now they want free charging stations? Of course they also get government incentive to buy the electric vehicles etc. etc. etc.
FTR, I pay an additional $75 surcharge per year to my state for my electric hybrid.
 





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