Absolutely nauseating...Toddlers and Tiaras

I actually caught an episode with that brunette girl-what a diva!:lmao:

I might have to watch this one-for the sheer cat-fighting of the two divas!
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Mckenzie... Oh my GOSH! That little girl is above and beyond. I am SO glad she isn't mine... Of course if she was mine she wouldn't act like that. LOL
 
I have been involved in both on some level so I can give you the key differences.
1. Pagents are all based on the looks only. If you are not pretty, you will never do well no matter how hard you work. Competition dance and cheer are not about looking pretty but about developing a soprt or and art from to the best of your ability. Pretty doesn't even factor in. The costumes are just that, costumes. A gilr's individual beauty or lack thereof is unimportant. Same with gymnasts. They don't need to be pretty to score well. They need to train hard. You are scored on how well you perfrom the dance, cheer, or routine, not what you look like. Costumes and makeup are just tools that help persent a routine in its best possible light.

2. The girls are part of a team in competition cheer, dance, and even gymnasticts. In a pagent, it is all about YOU. Dancers, cheeleadsers, and gymnasts have to work together and all of the girls have to be commited to the sport and to each other for it to work.

3. You are right, there are diva moms in all of these sports, but there are diva parents everywhere children compete. Have you ever been to a little league game where one of the teams is really seriuos about winning and the dads are yelling and screaming? How about a travel soccer or softball team? "girly" sports don't corner the market on obnoxious parents.

A diva is a diva, whether in a group or alone. There's no difference to me whether you are sparkling and tartin' your kid up in a group for a show, or as the single star of the show. It's still short skirts, bellies showing, glamour and glitz. None are better or worse than the other.

If the kid is having a good time, great. It's the ones who drag the kids around thru these things that are sad.

PS: I LOVE MacKenzie, and am glad she's not mine. :rotfl:
 
A diva is a diva, whether in a group or alone. There's no difference to me whether you are sparkling and tartin' your kid up in a group for a show, or as the single star of the show. It's still short skirts, bellies showing, glamour and glitz. None are better or worse than the other.

If the kid is having a good time, great. It's the ones who drag the kids around thru these things that are sad.

PS: I LOVE MacKenzie, and am glad she's not mine. :rotfl:
I find this attitude insulting. At DD's studio, no midriffs are allowed and little girls dance like little girls. No one "tarts up" thier child. You are sterotyping based on what you have seen. GOOD studios don't play into that kind of thing. Are there studios out there that go way too far? Of course there are, but not all competition dancers are like the 7 year old Single Ladies video that have gotten so much press. There is that element out there, but there are also those of us for whom it is not about looking trashy, but about dance as an art form. My DD has learned discipline, the value or hard work, good sportsmanship, and that she is NOT the center of the universe through her years of dance. Dance brought me out of my shell and contrbuted so many positive things to what was an otherwise very difficult adolescence. It was the one place I knew I could go and be accepted. Believe me, a GOOD dance program is so NOT aobut glitz, glamour, or looking trashy, but about teaching young women not only the art of dance, but how to be good people. We have several students with downs syndrome at our studio, and they are just as universally accepted as everyone else. It is NOT about looks for us.
 
Well, but it's a choice. If you're looking for something for your daughter to DO, how about enrolling her in dance or gymnastics or soccer or an art class or a drama program? All of those are activities that result in acquiring a skill, being active, and expanding horizons whereas pageants are all about narcissism.

Yes, but whose choice. One can make a choice to step in front of a moving truck as well, that doesn't make it a good choice.

The problem is that this exploitation will continue as long as people keep tuning in and supporting this atrocity. Little girls should be allowed to be little girls, not some alter ego trapped in a situation designed to live out their parents fantasy. I consider it child abuse as sure as locking kids in a closet. It is cruel and stressful and robs children of their childhood to satisfy their parents ego. And what little girl wouldn't go along with it to gain the approval of mom and dad.

Even if it's just to see what it is about...please don't tune into that show. Do not give them a reason to continue this because of ratings, give them a reason to stop it. Please!

Wishing someone shot because you don't agree with what they do is a bit extreme.

While they may not parent per your accepted standards, wishing them dead isn't the way to go.

I don't think this was meant literally...it's a figure of speech.
 

I find this attitude insulting. At DD's studio, no midriffs are allowed and little girls dance like little girls. No one "tarts up" thier child. You are sterotyping based on what you have seen. GOOD studios don't play into that kind of thing. Are there studios out there that go way too far? Of course there are, but not all competition dancers are like the 7 year old Single Ladies video that have gotten so much press. There is that element out there, but there are also those of us for whom it is not about looking trashy, but about dance as an art form. My DD has learned discipline, the value or hard work, good sportsmanship, and that she is NOT the center of the universe through her years of dance. Dance brought me out of my shell and contrbuted so many positive things to what was an otherwise very difficult adolescence. It was the one place I knew I could go and be accepted. Believe me, a GOOD dance program is so NOT aobut glitz, glamour, or looking trashy, but about teaching young women not only the art of dance, but how to be good people. We have several students with downs syndrome at our studio, and they are just as universally accepted as everyone else. It is NOT about looks for us.

Sorry if it's insulting, but it's true. Yes, there are some studios that don't do it, but around here, it's the norm. So, really no better or worse than the pagents. Fun is fun, if the kids like to sparkle it up, so what?
 
I don't see a whole lot of difference with this and with Competition Cheerleaders, Competition Dancers, Competition Gymnasts. :confused3

All full of divas, momma divas, money, glitz, and being in the limelight.

:headache::sick::mad::sad2: Perhaps you don't see a difference because you haven't seen it all:thumbsup2
 
Oh, I'd hazard a guess that I haven't seen it all. Keeping in mind what I HAVE seen tho, my statement stands. I'm sure there are more somber, serious dance studios. I'm not sure about more somber, serious cheer studios tho. ;)
 
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Sorry if it's insulting, but it's true. Yes, there are some studios that don't do it, but around here, it's the norm. So, really no better or worse than the pagents. Fun is fun, if the kids like to sparkle it up, so what?
It is NOT true for every group or every studio, though it is true of some. You cannot tar and feather everyone with the brush you are using on a few. You are the one that put a negative connotation on the girls liking to dress up by saying they are "tarted up". We use our share or sequins, glitter, and rhinestones, and it is fun for the girls to get dressed up and perfrom. There is NOTHING wrong with that, but it is NOT the main focus, but a once in a while thing. It can absolutely be done without the trashy factor. THAT is what I find offensive. The idea that every dancer in a costume is trashy. It is NOT a universal truth just because some in your area choose to do that. Most of the time our girls are anything but glamorus. More like so sweaty they look like drowned rats becuase thery are working hard. There times a year they get dressed up in their costumes to perform are a well earned reward for months of hard work. Why can you not accept that ALL dance progrtams are not tart parades?? In vact, in my experience of 30 years in the dance world i would go so far as to say that most aren't. The ones that are, sadly, are the ones that get the press so folks like you, who don't know any different, assume that are all that way. THEY ARE NOT!
 
Oh, I'd hazard a guess that I haven't seen it all. Keeping in mind what I HAVE seen tho, my statement stands. I'm sure there are more somber, serious dance studios. I'm not sure about more somber, serious cheer studios tho. ;)
I don't think you have ot be somber and serious to not be dressing little girls like tarts in skimpy outfits, or to be teaching character right along with dance. You cna be lighthearted and have fun while still teaching and art from and encouraging gilrs to grow into ourstanding young women. And yes, you can even have a few rhinestones and some glitter thrown in for good measure. I thin kthis is a case of throwing outthe baby with the bathwater. I am sorry you have such a negative view of dance, but it really seems to be founded on pretty limited exposure to a few bad programs. Cheer programs work just as hard, sometimes harder. In order to be safe, those girls must be serious althelets who take the safety of thier teammates seriously. One person not putting everything in can lead to someone getinig badly hurt. The potential for ijury is huge, and believe me, the good programs take that liability serously or they are forced out of business becuase they are uninsurable.

ETA: Would you say the same things about travel sports porgrams? I could argue that they teach children that their only worth lies in being "good" and that every parent there believes thier child in the next Babe Ruth and is looking ot fulfill thier own major league dream through thier child. It is all about fulfilling some sort of masculine idael and proving you are a better man because you are a better ballplayer, and parents are pushing thier children to achieve. It is superficial hand has no value. I have seen one Little League program so they all must be the same, right???
 
I think that they look like little drag queens. i dont think little girls should be dressed and paraded around like that. So I dont watch the show.
 
It is NOT true for every group or every studio, though it is true of some. You cannot tar and feather everyone with the brush you are using on a few. You are the one that put a negative connotation on the girls liking to dress up by saying they are "tarted up". We use our share or sequins, glitter, and rhinestones, and it is fun for the girls to get dressed up and perfrom. There is NOTHING wrong with that, but it is NOT the main focus, but a once in a while thing. It can absolutely be done without the trashy factor. THAT is what I find offensive. The idea that every dancer in a costume is trashy. It is NOT a universal truth just because some in your area choose to do that. Most of the time our girls are anything but glamorus. More like so sweaty they look like drowned rats becuase thery are working hard. There times a year they get dressed up in their costumes to perform are a well earned reward for months of hard work. Why can you not accept that ALL dance programs are not tart parades?? In vact, in my experience of 30 years in the dance world i would go so far as to say that most aren't. The ones that are, sadly, are the ones that get the press so folks like you, who don't know any different, assume that are all that way. THEY ARE NOT!

The pageant girls aren't glamorous unless they are on the stage either. They also work and sweat for their moment in the sun. Many of them take dance lessons (if not all?) I don't care what you call it, if the kid is dressed up with makeup, shortie skirts, hair done, sparkles...the look pretty much the same. I don't knock anyone's hard work, but the pageant kids work hard too. They don't just throw the dress on and go.

Frankly, their outfits aren't anymore outrageous than many cheer, dance and gymnast outfits. Again, I'm sorry if this bothers you, but it's still the truth.:confused3

I honestly don't see why it's okay to dress kids up in sparkly outfits, makeup and hairdos and call them "dancers", "cheerleaders" or "gymnasts", yet the "pageant kids" outfits are deemed less reputable and less acceptable.

Either it's too much for ALL little girls or it's okay for ALL little girls.
 
The pageant girls aren't glamorous unless they are on the stage either. They also work and sweat for their moment in the sun. Many of them take dance lessons (if not all?) I don't care what you call it, if the kid is dressed up with makeup, shortie skirts, hair done, sparkles...the look pretty much the same. I don't knock anyone's hard work, but the pageant kids work hard too. They don't just throw the dress on and go.

Frankly, their outfits aren't anymore outrageous than many cheer, dance and gymnast outfits. Again, I'm sorry if this bothers you, but it's still the truth.:confused3

I honestly don't see why it's okay to dress kids up in sparkly outfits, makeup and hairdos and call them "dancers", "cheerleaders" or "gymnasts", yet the "pageant kids" outfits are deemed less reputable and less acceptable.

Either it's too much for ALL little girls or it's okay for ALL little girls.


Are you Ava's daddy? :rotfl2::rotfl::lmao: David, is that you? :rolleyes:
 
The pageant girls aren't glamorous unless they are on the stage either. They also work and sweat for their moment in the sun. Many of them take dance lessons (if not all?) I don't care what you call it, if the kid is dressed up with makeup, shortie skirts, hair done, sparkles...the look pretty much the same. I don't knock anyone's hard work, but the pageant kids work hard too. They don't just throw the dress on and go.

Frankly, their outfits aren't anymore outrageous than many cheer, dance and gymnast outfits. Again, I'm sorry if this bothers you, but it's still the truth.:confused3

I honestly don't see why it's okay to dress kids up in sparkly outfits, makeup and hairdos and call them "dancers", "cheerleaders" or "gymnasts", yet the "pageant kids" outfits are deemed less reputable and less acceptable.

Either it's too much for ALL little girls or it's okay for ALL little girls.
We don't just dress them up and call them dancers. That statement alone tells me you are pretty much completyely ignorant of what goes into any of this.

As i have said before, it is not so much the outfits that bother mealthough I do beileve there is a huge difference between pagent attire and dance attire. Dancers don't put on fake hair, fake teeth or spray tans. The purpose is not to make little girls look sexy, despite what you seem to think. What bothers me about what I have experienced of the pagent world is the fact that it seems to tear girls down rather than build them up, but as I stated that is my experience. I don't think it is fair to sterotype eveyone who participates in anything based on the actions of a few. I notice you didn't give an answer as to my assessment of travel sports. Seriuosly, isn't it the same thing dressed up in a different package? The glory of being dressed up and on stage traded for the glory of winning??
 
I signed up for Miss Teen New Hampshire because I thought it might be nice to get some scholarship money, but then I realised I'm 5'3 and I weigh 145. I'm fat in their eyes, and the girls who grow up in that mindset are psychologically scarred. Telling a little girl that she has to be a certain size, shape, or type, no matter how much work goes into it, is going to affect her self-esteem and body image. That is the problem I have with pageantry-the negative effect on girls' minds. The same goes for the beauty aspect, because like a PP said, if you're 'ugly', you'll never place. There are SO many things little girls could be doing instead of this. I watch the show because I like the glamour, but I think pageantry should be limited to older girls or adults who know what they're getting into and can deal with the results.
 
Years ago, one of DD's ballet teachers wanted me to enter her in a beauty pageant. (They were a pageant family...Miss Texas, etc., not those made up pageants.) She said DD was "born for the stage." :rotfl2: Back then, DD was a little ham and could charm the birds out of the trees, so I'm sure she would have done well in that regard. And with an experienced pageant family coaching her, she'd have had an advantage.

I thanked her kindly, but turned the offer down. She asked again, and told me she thought DD could win the talent portion easily and perhaps win the whole thing, even though it was her first time. That scared me most of all. :scared1: Yes, DD was outgoing, would charm the judges, could dance like a dream and was a pretty little thing. But that is exactly what bugged me.

Sure, she was pretty. I know all moms think that and they should, but even objectively speaking, I'd been approached over and over to have DD model, etc. But here's the thing. She didn't do one thing to be pretty. It was dumb luck. She didn't work at it or earn it.....it just happened. And to us, it wasn't the most special thing about her by a long shot. Plus, what if her pretty little girl stage of development went bye-bye someday and she went through an ugly duckling stage? It happens. Gorgeous little girls can be plain or even homely at 10.

If you make "being pretty" the be all and end all, then what happens to their sense of self worth when they aren't so pretty any longer? What happens when they become gawky or chubby, get zits, need braces, etc.? If being "the pretty one" has been their claim to fame and they aren't the pretty one any longer, it can mess them up. They don't feel they have any value.

So we didn't want to put her in any pageants where she was rewarded for being pretty......I mean, next pageant a prettier girl could come along and then what are you? The ugly one? No, we figured if she was pretty, fine. If she grew out of that someday and was plain, then better her identity was not all wrapped up in being pretty. Better to concentrate on what's on the inside, her grades, her sports, etc. than on how cute she is/is not. I thought it was just setting her up to feel like a winner/loser based on her face and that was NOT something we wanted to encourage.
 
I'm really turned off by children's pageants too. To me making little girls look sexy and grown up is rather sick.


I don't see them as looking "sexy" at all. I just can't see sexy in a little girl, no matter how she's dressed. They look like clowns to me. Do you really see them as sexy?? My mind just can't grasp that.


It's interesting how ideas of beauty are embodied within us at such a young age. :rolleyes:

I saw a documentary about some of these glitz pageant girls when they were teenagers and none of them wore false eyelashes, wore tons of makeup and had their hair teased out to 2 feet. They were regular teenage girls. That tells me they weren't "embedded" with that exaggerated sparkle "beauty" when they were little girls. When they get to a certain age, they seem to automatically realize a more "normal" standard of beauty.



Sorry if it's insulting, but it's true. Yes, there are some studios that don't do it, but around here, it's the norm. So, really no better or worse than the pagents. Fun is fun, if the kids like to sparkle it up, so what?


I agree with Fred. It's all in fun. The clothes, makeup, hair etc doesn't bother me in the least. The only thing that bothers me is the pressure some of the girl get from their mothers, but sports moms, dance moms, cheer moms, stage moms are often as demanding and out of control as some of the pageant moms.
 
Are you Ava's daddy? :rotfl2::rotfl::lmao: David, is that you? :rolleyes:

No, I'm a girl. I still don't see the difference. Hoochie is hoochie, whether you are a pageant kid or not.

As far a travel sports go, I don't think I've ever seen a travel team with glitter, tutus and sparkly slippers. But, I've already stated, I haven't seen everything. :)

Going for a win isn't just for sports kids. Again, if the child enjoys it, I don't see the harm. YOU are the best judge of your child. Or at least, you should be.

http://www.dancedejavu.com/JAZZpg1.html - some recital dresses

http://www.dancedejavu.com/CHARACTER.html - more

http://www.pageantdesigns.com/in-stock-girls-short-pageant-dresses.html - some pageant dresses

http://www.pageantdesigns.com/in-stock-girls-long-pageant-dresses.html - more

You can go over the top with either, or be more sedate. I don't see much of a difference, other than the pageant dresses look a bit better made.
 
I think it's to be expected in a society that deems 5 yr. olds "too old" to play with dolls anymore; first graders to be "too old" to believe in Santa Claus anymore; and 12 yr. olds "too old" to trick or treat anymore..

Kids aren't allowed to be kids - past 4 years old now - so this doesn't surprise me in the least..

It's sad..:(

 














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