Abortions

[xlRacerXlx]

Why kill a baby just because the mother was raped?

That was my point.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Lovely. That was my point also.

 

[DizParks]

I'm pretty sure this thread is about to go crazy. Anyway we have a population crisis as it is, why not kill off a few fetuses for the good of the Earth.

 

[BabyPiglet]

I'm pretty sure this thread is about to go crazy. Anyway we have a population crisis as it is, why not kill off a few fetuses for the good of the Earth.

Seeing as I'm already in trouble with the mods, I will not reply what I wanted to, but instead I will only say.

That I think that's a heartless, cold point of view.

 

[PurpleDucky]

I'm pretty sure this thread is about to go crazy. Anyway we have a population crisis as it is, why not kill off a few fetuses for the good of the Earth.

Did you know more fetuses were killed total than in our world wars?
I'm sorry that's just cruel, what if these killed fetuses could be your grandkid's husband/wife?
How is it good for the earth? They never did anything to deserve to be killed.

 

[DizParks]

I was just making a point on one extreme, and what will happen. Starting a thread talking about abortion, or religion, or any other touch subject will just lead to multiple pages of 1 vs. another. It's not going to solve anything.

The only way for this thread or anything like it to be civil is to have the question followed by each persons response.

Are you for or against abortion?

Pro-Choice
Pro-Life
Pro-Life
Pro-Choice
Pro-Choice

You'll have the Pro-Life people saying it's disgusting, degrading, horrible, murder, immoral, that it's a precious beautiful life, that it's against the Bible and the almighty God.

Then you'll have the Pro-Choice saying it's part of the womans body, I don't consider it to be a human life, we live in a free country and that choice is a freedom, etc...

It's just one giant loop, and it will never get anywhere. No matter how much you want it, there will never be any compromise to please both sides. Now this thread will eventually get buried under the other different threads to come. And within a few weeks someone will post.

Abortion are you for or against?

And we shall start all over again.

 

[xlRacerXlx]

I was just making a point on one extreme, and what will happen. Starting a thread talking about abortion, or religion, or any other touch subject will just lead to multiple pages of 1 vs. another. It's not going to solve anything.

The only way for this thread or anything like it to be civil is to have the question followed by each persons response.

Are you for or against abortion?

Pro-Choice
Pro-Life
Pro-Life
Pro-Choice
Pro-Choice

You'll have the Pro-Life people saying it's disgusting, degrading, horrible, murder, immoral, that it's a precious beautiful life, that it's against the Bible and the almighty God.

Then you'll have the Pro-Choice saying it's part of the womans body, I don't consider it to be a human life, we live in a free country and that choice is a freedom, etc...

It's just one giant loop, and it will never get anywhere. No matter how much you want it, there will never be any compromise to please both sides. Now this thread will eventually get buried under the other different threads to come. And within a few weeks someone will post.

Abortion are you for or against?

And we shall start all over again.

Saying this equates to, "This is pointless."

If it's so pointless, why do people argue about it?

Clearly it has meaning. If anything, to educate the ignorant. Or, more importantly, to make people stop listening to their parents and start thinking for themselves...

 

[xlRacerXlx]

Did you know more fetuses were killed total than in our world wars?

That's almost statistically impossible, unless you count involuntary fetus deaths, which include still births, and will happen naturally, no matter how well the mother treats herself. My grandmother suffered through a still birth, and she is completely pro-life.

From NRLC.com (National Right to Life) Total abortions from 1973 to 1998 -- 38,010,378 ESTIMATE

Total CONFIRMED Abortions, 20,129,459

37,508,686 World War I deaths, estimate

56,125,262 World War II deaths, estimate

Both taken from archives.gov

As you see, you are wrong.

And it's good for the Earth via the "Natural Selection" view. This states that weak die off, and strong live on. It's a basic dog-eat-dog world of the view that many intelligent people believe. Namely, the republican, Richard Keegan.

I do not agree with him, of course, but the idea is not absurd, as you say it is. The idea that IS absurd is complete pro-life.

 

[PurpleDucky]

That's almost statistically impossible, unless you count involuntary fetus deaths, which include still births, and will happen naturally, no matter how well the mother treats herself. My grandmother suffered through a still birth, and she is completely pro-life.

From NRLC.com (National Right to Life) Total abortions from 1973 to 1998 -- 38,010,378 ESTIMATE

Total CONFIRMED Abortions, 20,129,459

37,508,686 World War I deaths, estimate

56,125,262 World War II deaths, estimate

Both taken from archives.gov

As you see, you are wrong.

And it's good for the Earth via the "Natural Selection" view. This states that weak die off, and strong live on. It's a basic dog-eat-dog world of the view that many intelligent people believe. Namely, the republican, Richard Keegan.

I do not agree with him, of course, but the idea is not absurd, as you say it is. The idea that IS absurd is complete pro-life.

I should have quoted those words, that's what my teacher said to the class. My mistake

 

[2HOT2touch]

Saying this equates to, "This is pointless."

If it's so pointless, why do people argue about it?

Clearly it has meaning. If anything, to educate the ignorant. Or, more importantly, to make people stop listening to their parents and start thinking for themselves...

I'm sorry, but looking at this thread and many others on this site, I don't think the posters are thinking for themselves, I think they are just repeating what they have heard or seen and they think they are thinking for themselves. if you dont understand what I am talking about, then that pretty much proves my point and you should read "Eunibus Pluram: televison and U.S. Fiction" sorry I don't know who wrote it, but you should read it. but pretty much yall's "opinions" are based off of society and telvision and what you see as you watch everything even just people. They aren't your opinions, you just think they are. And I admit some things that I say are not my OWN opinion, and I realized that after reading this essay. But I am trying to become more of my own person and have MY own opinions. Everyone should try it.

 

[CrazyChik]

pro-choice

 

[VolleyballQt07]

What do you think of them? Abortions are awful. Even if the mother wasn't expecting the baby, she still shouldn't kill it. Just let the baby be born then put it up for adoption. Don't kill it.

Should people go to jail because they 'murdered' a living being? Um, yes? Because technically, the mother is murdering a child/human being so yes. But too if the mother is young and still a teenager, I don't think they should go because they are young.......even if it is wrong.

 

[earthfaries]

Um, lets try to keep this a 'clean' discussion, okay guys?

I personally have a mushed up twisted opinion about abortion. If you understand any of this, I'll love you forever.

I personally think a woman has a right to choose. However, I myself don't agree with abortion. I could never live with myself if I ever had one. There are women who don't want to have children. Yes, they could always put the child up for adoption. But, what about the women who fear childbirth? What about the women who aren't healthy enough to have children? What about the women who aren't "emotionally ready" for a pregnancy? What about the women who don't have the mentality to have children?

Once again, I personally could never have an abortion. There are, however, women who would consider it under a huge plethora of circumstances, besides the ones I've mentioned. These women have choices, and abortion should be one of them.

I also agree with this. It is a choice, and always will be. If it is made illegal, then some people will still chose to do it but there will be more death and sickness involved in the process. No matter what anyone says, or does, some people will get it done and for various reasons that you may or may not agree with.
If you think it is wrong or disgusting, THEN DON'T DO IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I personally wouldn't ever do it, and that is my choice, but I would never tell someone else they couldn't or shouldn't!

 

[earthfaries]

Pro Life but with a few exceptions.

Not rape, or if the mom just doesn't feel "resposible enough", or even if the mother is very young.

If the mother is sick, seriously sick. The baby could be seriously messed up when it came out. And might end up living a long, painful life. Then I think it's right that they have an abortion.

See, it is not YOUR CHOICE, who are you to judge who should or shouldn't do it, or who it is okay for?
This is exactly the point. People do it for different reasons. If they are stupid reasons to you or me, then they will have to deal with it for the rest of their lives.
But as you stated above, there are supposedly valid reasons for it. That is why it should stay a choice. Our choice, not yours or anyone elses. It is the womans right to decide. Not yours or mine.

 

[tinkerbelle22]

I'm pro-choice. And I agree with earthfaries. It should be the woman's decision. It's her body and choice, not anyone else's body or choice. If someone thinks it's wrong, great, just don't do it yourself. But let a person do what they feel is right.

That's just my opinion. I respect the pro-life people, you can agree with that, even if I don't. That's my response.

 

[BabyPiglet]

See, it is not YOUR CHOICE, who are you to judge who should or shouldn't do it, or who it is okay for?
This is exactly the point. People do it for different reasons. If they are stupid reasons to you or me, then they will have to deal with it for the rest of their lives.
But as you stated above, there are supposedly valid reasons for it. That is why it should stay a choice. Our choice, not yours or anyone elses. It is the womans right to decide. Not yours or mine.

Whoa, let me get passed all those contradictions to yourself you stated.

Now, that's just my opinion, my opinion can be as biased as it wants to be. I'll stand strong with my opinion.

How is it OUR choice, but it's only THEIR choice?

2hot and Racer, I agree with your point, that a lot of people don't have their own opinion on stuff, they just take their parents side, or a side they heard off the TV. I can't stand it.

DizParks, this topic is important, and us talking about it might not change anything but we're free to debate what we want.

 

[DramaQueen]

I am strongly pro-choice.

It's a little odd how everyone seems to be pro-life to an extent or pro-choice to an extent.

WHERE DO YOU DRAW THAT LINE?!

what are the circumstances in which you find it acceptable or unacceptable.
I understand it's difficult to be so one-sided about such a contraversial matter, but I think how alot of people are Pro-Life, except if you got rape. or Pro-Choice, except if you just got pregnant by accident is a bit ridiculous.
Why should there be restrictions about who gets an abortion and who doesn't?

If a woman can't legally get an abortion then she will probably go to extreme and dangerous measures to get rid of her unwanted baby.
Why not let her do it safely in a doctors office?

I am pro-choice, because I think if an accident happens, a woman should be allowed to choose her course of action, rather than be forced into a life she didn't want, or wasn't excpecting.

If a woman is raped, she shouldn't have to go through the pain and be reminded EVERY SINGLE DAY for 9 months about the horrific event that happened to her.

If a 13 year old girl gets pregnant by accident when she didn't know what she was doing, why should she have to ruin THE REST OF HER LIFE to have a baby.

I understand that everyone deserves a fighting chance at life, including the people who had their lives ruined by an unwanted or unplanned pregnancy.


Of course I think it sucks that an innocent baby has to be sacrificed, but if it's the only option I think every woman should have THE CHOICE to do what she wants to.


That being said, I'm not saying I completely support abortions, but I'm PRO-CHOICE

There is a difference.
if abortion is your only choice, what else can a woman do?
I think every woman should be free to make such an important choice, without being condemned.

 

[VMK_MagicalLadee]

I DONT KNWO WHAT I AM..

I mean. I think a woman has a choice, if she was raped or soemthing.

But what if the child was to grow up and cure cancer?
Be a world leader?
Cure AIDS?

I JUST DONT KNOW.

 

[BabyPiglet]

There are lots of other choices besides abortion. Abortion is never your only choice.

 

[DramaQueen]

There are lots of other choices besides abortion. Abortion is never your only choice.

alright, that's true.
adoption etc.

but that wasn't really my point.