Abortions

[DramaGirl]

Um, lets try to keep this a 'clean' discussion, okay guys?

I personally have a mushed up twisted opinion about abortion. If you understand any of this, I'll love you forever.

I personally think a woman has a right to choose. However, I myself don't agree with abortion. I could never live with myself if I ever had one. There are women who don't want to have children. Yes, they could always put the child up for adoption. But, what about the women who fear childbirth? What about the women who aren't healthy enough to have children? What about the women who aren't "emotionally ready" for a pregnancy? What about the women who don't have the mentality to have children?

Once again, I personally could never have an abortion. There are, however, women who would consider it under a huge plethora of circumstances, besides the ones I've mentioned. These women have choices, and abortion should be one of them.

I agree completely. I am soo surprised so many people agree with you! (and me) so yup

 

[PrincessKally]

OH my, an abortion thread, sorry, these always seem to end up in a big fight.
I am really inbetween, kind of what Jaimie was saying earlier. There are the questions, what if the woman was raped? What if shes only a child, and her body sin't ready for birth?( She shouldn't even have to worry about this! But I'm afraid it happens) There are amny what if's. It also depends on what you look as as murder....once the egg and sperm have met, or once the baby is actually born? There are too many question tugging me back and forth to decide my feelings.

have you ever had to read or read "a modest proposal" by jonothan swift? where he suggests an extreme resolution to overpopulation and famine in ireland? in it, his "extreme resolution" was to eat the children. and he gave, many, many reasons as to why this would work. of course he wasn't serious, he was just trying to prove a point.

Dollfie, I've read that before, we just finished a satire unit, before this past unit. It was one of our major poems we studied, but yah, I jsut had to say I KNOW THAT POEM! hahaha.

 

[PurpleDucky]

OH my, an abortion thread, sorry, these always seem to end up in a big fight.
I am really inbetween, kind of what Jaimie was saying earlier. There are the questions, what if the woman was raped? What if shes only a child, and her body sin't ready for birth?( She shouldn't even have to worry about this! But I'm afraid it happens) There are amny what if's. It also depends on what you look as as murder....once the egg and sperm have met, or once the baby is actually born? There are too many question tugging me back and forth to decide my feelings.




Dollfie, I've read that before, we just finished a satire unit, before this past unit. It was one of our major poems we studied, but yah, I jsut had to say I KNOW THAT POEM! hahaha.

I'm pretty sure once you get that "Time of the Month" everyone's ready for birth.(or I'm just stupid and don't know anything about this yet) Unless, you're talking about the excruciating pain she would have to go through to give natural birth

 

[meeshheartsdisney217]

pro-choice

what if a 15 year old is raped? she has NO reason whatsoever to have a baby. and her body isn't even nearly ready enough to give birth to a child.

and i don't say that i consider the thought of what they do abortion, but if i did get an aborition and it didn't work like said above, i most definatly would not be ashamed of my child.

 

[DizParks]

I don't consider abortion of the fetus at 12 weeks or before to be murder. It's part of the woman's body and her choice.

 

[PurpleDucky]

I don't consider abortion of the fetus at 12 weeks or before to be murder. It's part of the woman's body and her choice.

That's what my history teacher was saying. People only know these taglines, and agree with them. I just..can't. I couldn't stand the pain of knowing there's a dead fetus in my uterus and then later giving birth to a dead baby

**I'm not trying to intentionally flame on you, a lot of people have said this.

 

[PrincessKally]

I'm pretty sure once you get that "Time of the Month" everyone's ready for birth.(or I'm just stupid and don't know anything about this yet) Unless, you're talking about the excruciating pain she would have to go through to give natural birth

No, I learned in Health this year, that even though your reproduction organs are ready, you are not necessarily physically or emotionally ready. Even though youg et your period, when your 11 or 12, and only weigh 100lbs and your a tiny girl, your body isn't ready to carry a growing baby inside of you, or to go through the actual labor and birth process. The actual labor process can actually kill a younger, smaller girl during childbirth.

 

[C.J. Sparrow]

Pro-life, but there are some exceptions. Such as if the girl was pregnant as a result of rape, incest, etc. (cases where having the child results in emotional or physical trauma), or if her life is in danger because of the pregnancy.

 

[HSMndLKfan92]

I'm pretty sure once you get that "Time of the Month" everyone's ready for birth.(or I'm just stupid and don't know anything about this yet) Unless, you're talking about the excruciating pain she would have to go through to give natural birth

Or have a c-section. I assume those hurt like hell, too.

 

[PurpleDucky]

Or have a c-section. I assume those hurt like hell, too.

Yeah, my step-mom could feel hers...

 

[2HOT2touch]

okay. just because you have your "time of the month" does not mean you are ready to have a baby. I got mine when I was 10, could you imagine having a baby at 10 years old? that is rediculous. and yes it is not the child in question's choice to have been conceived, but if the girl was raped it wasn't her choice or poor judgement either, she should have the right to decide if she is ready for the baby.

 

[chevyxxroks]

i think that abortion is murder. even tho the baby is unborn, it has brain waves and knows the mothers voice and everything. the baby is a living thing even before birth.​

 

[xlRacerXlx]

Pro-choice. I believe in Einstein's view of the soul, which states...

“Since our inner experiences consist of reproductions and combinations of sensory impressions, the concept of a soul without a body seems to me to be empty and devoid of meaning.”

This comes from Dukas, Helen and Banesh Hoffman, Albert Einstein - The Human Side (Princeton University Press, 1979).

His view on the soul is that of Descartes, Keats, and hundreds of other philosphers.

In layman's terms, anything that doesn't have a full sensory input does not have a soul, and is thus not living; therefore, "killing" a fetus that does not yet have sensory capabilities (which is around 3 months in, when the brain becomes functional), is the same as squashing a bug. In fact, it is less than squashing a bug, since a bug has sensory input.

I do not believe, however, that anyone has the right to tell another what to do with their own bodies. For this reason, abortion should be completely based on your own choice.

And, think of it this way, for any female here who thinks of abortion in a "disgusting" sense. If you were raped, by an ugly, stupid drug addict, would you truly not have an abortion?

If you wouldn't, why would ANY abortion be okay? Are you placing the drug addicts kids' life over another?

 

[pigletgirl]

^ It's still a human, regardless. They get a shot at life, just like anyone else.

 

[BabyPiglet]

Pro Life but with a few exceptions.

Not rape, or if the mom just doesn't feel "resposible enough", or even if the mother is very young.

If the mother is sick, seriously sick. The baby could be seriously messed up when it came out. And might end up living a long, painful life. Then I think it's right that they have an abortion.

 

[Captain Brain]

Pro-life, unless having the baby will kill you.

My religion says that it's murder.

 

[Captain Brain]

have you ever had to read or read "a modest proposal" by jonothan swift? where he suggests an extreme resolution to overpopulation and famine in ireland? in it, his "extreme resolution" was to eat the children. and he gave, many, many reasons as to why this would work. of course he wasn't serious, he was just trying to prove a point.

we recently had to do the same thing in my english class with a serious problem. my group chose abortion. i have the paper still, if anyone is mildly interested, but in it we had to give our REAL solution to the problem. we suggested that instead of abortion, let the child live, it can be given to a loving foster home that actually wants a baby, or to a family that can't have one of their own.

sure, the argument usually is "what if she was raped?!" or "what if the woman would die?!" its not the baby's fault the girl was raped, why should it be punished? and if the woman is told "you're probably going to die delivering this baby" i think then maybe she's got some serious thinking to do: give it a go and see what happens? knowing my life could end and my child could have a chance to make a better one?

every life deserves a chance, doesnt it?

I love this post. ^

 

[xlRacerXlx]

^ It's still a human, regardless. They get a shot at life, just like anyone else.

How is it a human if it cannot feel, love, get angry, etc etc? This is like saying a dead person is a human. It is absurd, lol...

And

"Pro Life but with a few exceptions.

Not rape, or if the mom just doesn't feel "resposible enough", or even if the mother is very young."

You are placing one baby's life over another, as if being conceived by a mother that was a rape makes a person lesser than another. It is illogical and cruel to say such things. If you are pro-life, then you are pro-life in 100% of cases, otherwise you are not following any sense of equality, or any sense of morality and love. If you take the case of the sick mother, then you are putting the mother's life over the child's life. Still cruel and unusual.

But, being Pro-life in 100% of cases is an absolutely absurdity. Therefore, following any kind of pro-life case is only viable if you are biased by religion. If you are a christian, then you should be pro-life; however, America is founded on freedom of choice, and equality, which would mean in American society, Abortion should be completely legal, regardless of the case.

If you live in the Vatican, however, abortion should be completely illegal.

It completely depends on the culture of the people; moreover, American culture says freedom, so it should be a free choice.

 

[BabyPiglet]

How is it a human if it cannot feel, love, get angry, etc etc? This is like saying a dead person is a human. It is absurd, lol...

And

"Pro Life but with a few exceptions.

Not rape, or if the mom just doesn't feel "resposible enough", or even if the mother is very young."

You are placing one baby's life over another, as if being conceived by a mother that was a rape makes a person lesser than another. It is illogical and cruel to say such things. If you are pro-life, then you are pro-life in 100% of cases, otherwise you are not following any sense of equality, or any sense of morality and love. If you take the case of the sick mother, then you are putting the mother's life over the child's life. Still cruel and unusual.

But, being Pro-life in 100% of cases is an absolutely absurdity. Therefore, following any kind of pro-life case is only viable if you are biased by religion. If you are a christian, then you should be pro-life; however, America is founded on freedom of choice, and equality, which would mean in American society, Abortion should be completely legal, regardless of the case.

If you live in the Vatican, however, abortion should be completely illegal.

It completely depends on the culture of the people; moreover, American culture says freedom, so it should be a free choice.

Fine Racer, I'm pro-choice with a few exceptions.

And the baby if being born by a sick mother, could have life long problems. (As it could in other cases) But if the baby has a chance to live a healthy, virtually problem free life, why not allow it to. Why kill it just because the mother slept around. Why kill a baby just because the mother was raped?

 

[xlRacerXlx]

have you ever had to read or read "a modest proposal" by jonothan swift? where he suggests an extreme resolution to overpopulation and famine in ireland? in it, his "extreme resolution" was to eat the children. and he gave, many, many reasons as to why this would work. of course he wasn't serious, he was just trying to prove a point.

we recently had to do the same thing in my english class with a serious problem. my group chose abortion. i have the paper still, if anyone is mildly interested, but in it we had to give our REAL solution to the problem. we suggested that instead of abortion, let the child live, it can be given to a loving foster home that actually wants a baby, or to a family that can't have one of their own.

sure, the argument usually is "what if she was raped?!" or "what if the woman would die?!" its not the baby's fault the girl was raped, why should it be punished? and if the woman is told "you're probably going to die delivering this baby" i think then maybe she's got some serious thinking to do: give it a go and see what happens? knowing my life could end and my child could have a chance to make a better one?

every life deserves a chance, doesnt it?

Another solution is to completely allow it, regardless of case. Then there isn't any problem.

And, if every life deserves a chance, why are you on the internet? Just by using it, you are giving money to the advertisers of this site. That money could be given to a child in Africa who is starving, so that child could have a chance. But, are you giving up your money? Your schooling? Your house? Your car?

The answer is no, because we are all worthless, selfish pieces of desiccated bantha poodu. Why in the world would you make laws, and spend money, to save a life that doesn't exist yet, than spend money of life that is currently suffering. If you are a "moral" and "just" person, you would leave abortion alone and give up any type of schooling you have to go help suffering kids, or homeless, or whatever.

This is another reason why people who are pro-life annoy me. If you care so much, why abortion? Why not hunger? Why not destruction of oil companies and the republican party?

And, Jonathan Swift's essay is known as a satire. He is making fun of the politicians, namely the capitalistic ones (aka Republicans of today). He is saying that since they care so little, that they may as well eat babies to solve their problems.

If he were alive today, he would write it the same way, except the Irish would be replaced by Mexico, Dar fur, Ethiopia, etc. Clearly your English teacher does not have a PhD. in English, or anything of the matter, since she clearly hasn't ready any literary criticism of Jonathan Swift. Tell her to go to the local University and look up articles in the Archives concerning Jonathan Swift. I'm sure someone from the 60's can update her.

Jesus says, "It is easy for a camel to get through the Eye of the Needle, than it is for a rich man to enter into the gates of Heaven." (I.)

If ANY of you are true Christians, or if ANY of you have a sense of morality, you would NOT be here on the dis. You would sell your computer, sell all your clothing, sell everything, and move to a place where your time can be spent bettering the world. (II.)

Otherwise, please, shut up. It is idiotic to hear you speak of the morality of a grandiose thing such as abortion with such a low level of understanding of morality itself. (III.)

Notes:
I. The "Eye of the Needle" refers not to an actual needle, but actually an entrance to city that was so skinny, that you needed to turn sideways to get through.
II. I am not a Christian, and my morality is equal to that of any other mostly selfish being. I do no feel bad about what I do, whatever it is. I know that when I do something, it has reasoning behind it, and, therefore, cannot be "wrong."
III. I am not attacking anyone specifically, but instead anyone that has posted on this forum that has not read extensively on the topic. The only other person who seems to come close is DollfieDreams, but even she has been mis-taught by an incompetent teacher.

And, PrincessKally, Jonathan Swift is NOT a poet... Common...