ABC's "Has Been" Celebrity Survivor Show

Yes--the Indecent Proposal idea that ABC has signed takes couples who are married or in serious relationships (probably unmarried but have kids) splits them up so they go to live one month with a "tempting" member of the opposite sex. Whomever yields to temptation, gets money.
This is SO disconnected with Disney's historical focus on positive family values !!
Can't Disney and the ABC hotshots get ahead of the pack by thinking up something new and family-friendly ??
In my opinion, the latest ABC reality shows are just embarassing .
I wonder when we'll see a Park tie-in?? Could Trista be signing autographs in Magic Kingdom by summer....Will we see the Indecent Proposal male hunk trying to seduce the married female with a "fun" date to WDW?? Unfortunately, I wouldn't put it past ABC and the morons in charge of current programming.

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My understanding of syndication was this: ABC orders an episode of MASH (I know it was on CBS - I'm just doing an example) for 1 million an episode. The production company that makes the show spends maybe $1.1 million an episode perhaps to make it. The show runs for a bit and they get a syndication committment, or something like that. Thus, it's the production company and not the network that benefits from syndication. Is this right? Network revenue comes from ads. The production company revenue comes from the network and syndication. At least that was my understanding.


Sort of on the topic. Other threads are complaining about a decline in the quality of theme park attractions, and are worried about cheap, generic rides perhaps going into EPCOT, for example. But this is the same company that bought ABC so they could give us quality programming like Bachelor, Are You Hot? (are we going to have Are You Hot? - Play It!), etc. So what makes them think this same company will give us quality, informative attractions? It's pretty much the same audience, isn't it? These recent TV offerings show just what they think about the audience's taste - and perhaps they are right, judging from the ratings.
 
Well I guess axing "Once and Again" is a part of the plan. Certainly can't have any quality programs messing up ABC's schedule!
 
Well I guess axing "Once and Again" was a part of the plan. Certainly can't have any quality programs messing up ABC's schedule!
 

Originally posted by Another Voice
It’s a vicious spiral ever downward at an accelerating rate.
Man, if I didn't know better I would assume these were from the pages of Mad magazine. I guess when ABC hits bottom Eisner's solution is to hand them a shovel & tell them to start digging. :rolleyes:
 
The question is who is to blame for the recent spat of incredibly stupid shows on TV? The networks or the audience? People are watching this drivel in droves so what are the networks supposed to do, say "sorry but due to our sensibilities we aren't going to give you shows you obviously want to watch anymore?"

I blame the audience. The networks are discovering that they can't make a show stupid enough (or cheap enough) for people not to watch. Therefore, why would they even try anymore to make quality programming?
 
“I blame the audience”

Absolutely incorrect.

Today’s unscripted shows are drawing a fraction of the audience that major network shows drew ten or twenty years ago – and now the nets are shedding viewers at an even faster rate. For a long time people have understood that broadcast television is a dying industry, unscripted programs are just a symptom of that decline.

The networks like those shows because they are cheap to produce. Period, end of sentence. And for the most part, they draw a lower rating than traditional network fare – but since the profit margin is higher no one minds. Remember, the finale for ABC’s “hit” ‘The Bachelorette’ was beaten by a run of the mill episode of ‘Law and Order’ on NBC. But ABC probably made more money on that one night (forgetting about future syndication). While reality may have changed, the business model run today is still based on the same assumptions as when you could get 35 million people to tune into every weekly episode of ‘Mork and Mindy’. The costs of “traditional” programming remain too high for the current market.

In fact, the decline of network television is a sign that the audience really is looking for quality. Hollywood got lazy in the days of the three networks – anything they put on could draw a crowd. But with cable, satellite, home video, the Internet, targeted networks, syndicated markets, micro-stations and all the rest – choice is finally available. It’s much easier to find the good stuff these days, an also much easier to avoid the bad stuff. For someone like ABC it’s a real problem, they have hundreds of competitors now instead of just two.

The original draw of ‘Survivor’ was really its novelty factor. To be blunt, it wasn’t another wacky family sitcom where a befuddled father learns valuable life lessons from his spunky (and slightly hot) daughters, or a dark cop drama where the heroic men and women in blue fight against a system that’s as corrupt as the thugs out on the mean streets. The sitcom formats (and almost all of the plots) haven’t changed since the first run of ‘I Love Lucy’. Like I said, network television has always been a place where the lazy and untalented could makes lots of money. Maybe that’s why Eisner’s so keen on it…

But novelty looses it appeal very quickly. ‘Survivor’ has no ratings pull anymore. The vast majority of unscripted shows sink without a trace. Even the ratings “hits” are mediocre at best. These kinds of shows are nothing but a passing fad that a dying industry clung to in hopes of salvation. The networks put these shows on not because they draw an audience, but because the FCC still won’t let them broadcast static. “Reality” shows are simply the cheapest way of plugging the hole.

It has nothing to do with what the audience wants – other to highlight that so few in Hollywood have a clue about it. That's why we’re all out watching HBO or the Discovery Channel or popping in a new DVD.
 
I know that the USA has gotten many of our reality shows from Japan. The japanese are a strange group. They're low-key, formal and proper on the surface but they're pretty raunchy and sick on the inside. (At least on TV) Japanese TV has everything from simulated "snuff" movies to almost X-rated fare on at prime-time.

The latest and greatest Japanese reality show going on now in Japan is a show that puts eight people in a house and exposes them to diseases. Yes, I said diseases. I kid you not. The one who gets the most, wins. Examples of the diseases are rotovirus (montezuma's revenge) the flu, common colds, measles, sunburns, parasite infection, etc.

This is one that I absolutely hope never makes it to America. I WOULD have said that we would never accept a show like this until I saw what people will do or eat on that stupid show Fear Factor.

Have we all collectively lost our sense of style and class?

Roy
 
The networks put these shows on not because they draw an audience, but because the FCC still won't let them broadcast static. Reality shows are simply the cheapest way of plugging the hole.

I understand what you're saying, but they could easily put on "Are You a Genius? The Search for the smartest person in America." Not very catchy is it? And it wouldn't pull in ratings. The train-wreck mentality of these tawdry shows brings in ratings. Some of these shows are getting 20-30 million viewers per week - a lot more than static would draw.

To say that we're all out watching HBO, or Discovery Channel or DVD is confusing. The total of all those options don't come close to adding up to one night of a Joe M. or Bachelorette. I think one season finale of the Sopranos got 9.5 million viewers. And it is hard to compare premium cable with broadcast. The first new Survivor episode pulled in 23 million viewers. That's a lot of people plugging that hole.

They are many more options for viewers these days, and that is certainly good, and I agree this fad may die out leaving the networks with nothing. I don't think it's just unscripted (and I don't think they really are unscripted) shows that are pulling in less audience than years ago - it's all primetime shows due to the many other options.

The suggestion that these shows have nothing to do with what the audience wants seems to be contradicted by the ratings. It's certainly what they want right now - at least a big chunk of them.
 
Why should ABC waste any salary dollars for their so-called network programming heads ??
Why not simply ship over a bunch of 20-somethings to absorb the latest depravity hitting Britain or Japan or Australia and bring it back !
I will not watch a show that is based on acquiring diseases !! the one that is scheduled to break up marriages was the bottom before I heard of this one.
ABC--wise up before we all desert you.

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I admit it, I watch it. There isn't a whole heck of a lot of other stuff on at night:)
 











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