A terrorism question for you.

[c4a]

Definately!
Ayer's bombed our Nation's Capitol building. He bombed our Pentagon.A bomb that was meant for Army soldiers in New Jersey went off in a New York townhouse. He was not convicted because of "small print" in the law-an officer overstepped what he could legally do. He admits to the bombing. He is not sorry. Not even a year ago (Nov. 2007), he and his wife were making cracks about "wishing they had done more". He declared war on the U.S. and U.S. citizens.
The actual papers on the Obama/Ayers connection are held by the University of Ill. The school was ready to release them when the dean stepped in a denied the release.
To ask him to release the Chicago Annenburg Challenge Records and the paper's donor records:
email him at:http://www.uillinois.edu/president/

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

Definately!
Ayer's bombed our Nation's Capitol building. He bombed our Pentagon.A bomb that was meant for Army soldiers in New Jersey went off in a New York townhouse. He was not convicted because of "small print" in the law-an officer overstepped what he could legally do. He admits to the bombing. He is not sorry. Not even a year ago (Nov. 2007), he and his wife were making cracks about "wishing they had done more". He declared war on the U.S. and U.S. citizens.
The actual papers on the Obama/Ayers connection are held by the University of Ill. The school was ready to release them when the dean stepped in a denied the release.
To ask him to release the Chicago Annenburg Challenge Records and the paper's donor records:
email him at:http://www.uillinois.edu/president/

I'm pretty sure Ayers was out of the Weather Underground by then and had nothing to do with that bombing. Get your smears straight!!!

 

[rparmfamily]

If i was 45 and the plotting happened when I was 8.... and the "terrorist" was now a professor and active member of my community...
yes!

Ditto. We are just playing Bunco,etc.

 

[rparmfamily]

I'm tired of the smears...it speaks VOLUMES. It's pathetic.

 

[Amlee]

I'm pretty sure Ayers was out of the Weather Underground by then and had nothing to do with that bombing. Get your smears straight!!!

Tsk! Tsk! Before one corrects someone, one should get his facts straight, as the "I'm pretty sure" just doesn't get it.

According to Wikipedia, Ayers was still a member of the Weather Underground in to the spring of 1970. The bombing, takes place in March of 1970.


How can you even defend this guy?

 

[Amlee]

I'm tired of the smears...it speaks VOLUMES. It's pathetic.

Yes, but it goes for both parties.

 

[whjoyjr]

He was dealt with??? How???? He got off because of he illegal wiretapping by the FBI at the time, after being involved in over 30 bombings. His wife served time in jail. As late as Sept 10th, 2001, he said that he "didn't do enough" as he stood on the American flag.
He and Obama sat on the Chicago Annenberg Challenge and used funds in an attempt to radicalized the Chicago school system because they sure as heck weren't interested in improving test grades. Anyone that applied for funding for math or academic skills were turned down. Schools did not improve. He and Obama were students of Saul Alinsky, "Rules for Radicals". The premise is to use the system to beat the system. Did Ayers change? I dont' think so, he just found another way to promote his leftist ideas and make a living at it.

So, you have no problems with the US Government breaking the law? Or only laws you do not agree with, or about people you do not agree with?

 

[whjoyjr]

Maybe the right ought to consider the possibility of shutting down all of Chicago. Yanno, associations and such.

Honestly, the last gasp of the McCainiacs has crossed into the Bizarro world. What is the point of this latest talking point?

the McCain camp stated that if they keep the attention on the enonomy, they are going to lose. So, they are trying to "Turn the page".

My yard sign is about ready to go. Big picture of Palin, and the word "Desperate" under it.

 

[rparmfamily]

Yes, but it goes for both parties.

But are you a part of it? That's my standard...I can only speak for myself.

 

[c4a]

I'm pretty sure Ayers was out of the Weather Underground by then and had nothing to do with that bombing. Get your smears straight!!!

I did get it right. It happened in 1969. Three people were killed. link
As for no one being hurt-it was from their own incompetence. And tell that to the people in the townhouse...oh, yeah-they are dead. Call their mothers and tell them instead.

I also have no need to smear-I am not a Dem. or a Rep. Facts ARE facts & I provide LINKS. UNLIKE SOME I don't post "I'm not sure"s.

 

[Amlee]

But are you a part of it? That's my standard...I can only speak for myself.

Uh No, I'm not. As I said in my FIRST post and in my SECOND post. This wasn't about Obama, McCain, or anything political. It was about people justifying the actions of a terrorist.


I wasn't a fly on the wall to know what was said between Obama and Ayers.
Both parties, have done their fair share of smearing. Notice I said PARTIES, I didn't name a candidates. When I say PARTIES, I mean people who support one or the other candidates. Not necessarily, approved by the candidates.

 

[rparmfamily]

Uh No, I'm not. As I said in my FIRST post and in my SECOND post. This wasn't about Obama, McCain, or anything political. It was about people justifying the actions of a terrorist.

So this isn't about Obama? Sounded like it, reading your posts.

 

[Amlee]

I did get it right. It happened in 1969. Three people were killed. link
As for no one being hurt-it was from their own incompetence. And tell that to the people in the townhouse...oh, yeah-they are dead. Call their mothers and tell them instead.

I also have no need to smear-I am not a Dem. or a Rep. Facts ARE facts & I provide LINKS. UNLIKE SOME I don't post "I'm not sure"s.

The bombing took place March 6, 1970.

Per your link:

On March 6, 1970, three members of Weatherman were killed when a powerful bomb they were constructing exploded prematurely. The device had been made from dynamite, wrapped with roofing nails to maximize casualties. Its intended target was a dance for noncommissioned officers and their dates scheduled for that evening at Fort Dix. The bomb that killed three in a Greenwich Village townhouse would have killed far more on a crowded dance floor.

But the FBI is still reporting that Ayers was a member until spring of 1970. He was also dating Diana Oughton at her time of death from the bombing.

 

[Amlee]

Ok, with all of the comments on Obama's associations with Bill Ayers and those defending it. Or saying what Ayers did happened years ago and is a changed man now. Not just on the board, but in the media also.


I have to ask would you say the same about the people who were behind the 9/11 bombing or the OK bomber, or the London bombers, or the people behind the Holocaust, how about the guy who did all the shootings a few years back in Washington?

I'm not saying Obama is in any way connected to what this man has done in his past. BUT, I don't think Ayers actions can be justified by saying oh it was done way back when, and now he's not that way.

As in my original post, I said I didn't in any way think Obama was connected to Ayers and his pass. I think a good part of us can look back over the years and think MAN! why did I hang out with that person!? I know I can.

My thought about this thread came about after watching The View and listening to them as they justified Ayers actions because of the time it took place. It hit me that maybe people might have different ideas of what a terrorist was. I really was appalled that people would justify the actions of someone because of the times it took place. I do believe it was Whoopie who said something like it was the 60s and a lot of America was mad at the U.S. government at that time. So that gives that man the right to bomb U.S. office buildings? To bomb a police station? So we can go back to the early 1900s and justify that Hitler had the right to slaughter Jewish people because it was a popular thought at the time? Oh do we want to go back and justify slavery? Since hey, it was that time you know!

To me anyone that threatens or harm someone or a group of people to make a point or, in the name of something is a terrorist. Sadly, that does include the U.S. I've often thought of them as a bully in things.

Honestly I most likely would have never known who Ayers was, if it hadn't of come up in this election. An this thread wasn't suppose to have been about Obama, McCain or anything other than people justifying Ayer's action.

So this isn't about Obama? Sounded like it, reading your posts.

I think your hoping it's about Obama or wishing about Obama. But as I went back and bolded my post. It has nothing to do with Obama.

Yes, I did say it was his connection that brought it to my attention. But it has nothing to do with this thread. As I said from the START, it was about people justifying Ayer's actions. That is what I have a problem with.

 

[SteveInBrooklyn]

I did get it right. It happened in 1969. Three people were killed. link
As for no one being hurt-it was from their own incompetence. And tell that to the people in the townhouse...oh, yeah-they are dead. Call their mothers and tell them instead.

I also have no need to smear-I am not a Dem. or a Rep. Facts ARE facts & I provide LINKS. UNLIKE SOME I don't post "I'm not sure"s.

I post "I'm not sure's" becaue I'm not sure. It's not worthy of too much research because It is a non-issue, since Obama and Ayers are not friends. Prove Obama and Ayers are friends first.

However, if we are going to pursue it, for the sake of argument, there is no evidence that any of the attacks Ayers took part in were meant to harm people. To equate Ayers, a harmless old hippy who never hurt a soul, with the real TERRORISTS that are trying to destroy America and kill us all, is probably the type of thinking that is causing the Republican war on terror to be an UTTER, ABSOLUTE, UNEQUIVOCAL FAILURE.

 

[freckles and boo]

I think your hoping it's about Obama or wishing about Obama. But as I went back and bolded my post. It has nothing to do with Obama.

Yes, I did say it was his connection that brought it to my attention. But it has nothing to do with this thread. As I said from the START, it was about people justifying Ayer's actions. That is what I have a problem with.

Would you consider organized crime terrorism? McCain's political start was funded by proceeds from organized crime. His father-in-law took the fall (twice) and went to prison (once) for a mobster and in turn was rewarded with the liquor distributorship that is the source of the family wealth. Is McCain a crook? Not that I know of, but without that association and the support of organized crime in Arizona, he might not be where he is today. Do I believe this is relevant? No. Nor do I believe that Obama's association with Ayers, repentent or not, is relevant.

 

[disneyjunkie]

How can you even defend this guy?

Didn't you defend the KKK last spring?

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1831248

 

[Aisling]

his past should not be held against him endlessly......

I would agree with this if he were something else besides an Anti-American terrorist bomber. Yes, I have NO problem holding that particular past against someone.

 

[akhenaten]

I would agree with this if he were something else besides an Anti-American terrorist bomber. Yes, I have NO problem holding that particular past against someone.

so you do not believe in forgiveness / redemption

 

[Amlee]

Would you consider organized crime terrorism? McCain's political start was funded by proceeds from organized crime. His father-in-law took the fall (twice) and went to prison (once) for a mobster and in turn was rewarded with the liquor distributorship that is the source of the family wealth. Is McCain a crook? Not that I know of, but without that association and the support of organized crime in Arizona, he might not be where he is today. Do I believe this is relevant? No. Nor do I believe that Obama's association with Ayers, repentent or not, is relevant.

Yeah I do, just like I believe the Kennedy wealth was started the same way.

Didn't you defend the KKK last spring?

http://disboards.com/showthread.php?t=1831248

Uh No, I wasn't defending them. As I said MANY MANY times in that thread. I said I know of ONE good thing that they did. Just as I'm sure Ayer's has also done in his life. But I have never defended the KKK or Ayer's for their bombing or terrorist acts, and I never well.