A SEVENTH ship coming to DCL!

[bbel]

I am wondering if Meyer-Werft already had an "opening" to build a ship for 2022, or if DCL bought out another cruise line's "slot". If the latter, I wonder who it was.

Royal, Celebrity, Virgin Voyages, Carnival, MSC and NCL all have ships with a delivery date for 2022 also, however, Disney is the only one using Meyer Werft...

 

[squirk]

Royal, Celebrity, Virgin Voyages, Carnival, MSC and NCL all have ships with a delivery date for 2022 also, however, Disney is the only one using Meyer Werft...

Thx. Then I wonder why DCL originally scheduled #5 & #6 with a gap year in-between. Unless three ships was their plan all along, and they intentionally "sat" on one to save it for this year's D23?

And if three ships wasn't their plan all along, I wonder what changed.......

 

[cmwade77]

Sounds good. But if it comes there is no way that it will be there the whole year. Wouldn't be enough people to support it year round. A new Zeland and Australia cruise sounds great to me. But in reality once I look at plane prices and a 24 hour plane ride I will probably change my mind And thousands of other people.australia and new zeland might have 30 million people combine. 30 million sounds like a lot. But USA has over 300 and Disney has some problems filling 4 ships. That is also help from a lot of other countries mainly Canada, U.K. Probably the main two.but with Disney having some problems filling 4 ships with 7 it could happen. Think you might see one doing Asia and Australia area full time. But not one just in Australia.hopefully we will see better prices with 7 ships.

I would think that they would do what other lines have done and leave for a 14 night or so from San Diego to do Australia. This eliminates a log of issues for many people.

 

[cmwade77]

Thx. Then I wonder why DCL originally scheduled #5 & #6 with a gap year in-between. Unless three ships was their plan all along, and they intentionally "sat" on one to save it for this year's D23?

And if three ships wasn't their plan all along, I wonder what changed.......

My guess is it was their original plan to build three ships, but the year in between was already booked at the ship yard and they kept negotiating to get their ship built instead during that year or the other line cancelled the ship and Disney was finally able to secure the third ship being built.

As i said strictly a guess, but I do remember seeing that another line was building a ship around that time frame and has cancelled it, but can't remember which or where it was going to be built, so it is very possible.

 

[Club Disney Chandler]

@truck1 would the Fantasy or Dream fit through the new Panama Canal? I thought you had explained how they would at one point.

 

[cmwade77]

The same thing happened last year. They lowered the price this year, and still can't sell them out. I would love to do one of the New York Quebec cruises next year. I won't be booking it in advance if I decide to do it.
I don't think Northeast schools get a Fall break. New York is not a cheap or easy place to cruise out of for the rest of the country. Florida seems to be everyones favorite cruise embarkation point.

We are considering doing this and then renting a car for a cross country road trip across Canada, then train down to Seattle and either fly.home from there or rent another car the rest of the way back home.

 

[cmwade77]

@truck1 would the Fantasy or Dream fit through the new Panama Canal? I thought you had explained how they would at one point.

I am not him, but my understanding is the new locks we're built to make it possible for ships even larger than the Dre or Fantasy be able to fit.

 

[cmwade77]

I just hope that they won't make the three new ships too similar with all thesame shows and same dining rooms, etc.

They made the Dream and the Fantasy pretty similar, same for the Magic and Wonder (before dry dock).

I hope they will be all themed differently.

They did say they would each have a unique theme and features.

 

[PurplePencil]

Thx. Then I wonder why DCL originally scheduled #5 & #6 with a gap year in-between. Unless three ships was their plan all along, and they intentionally "sat" on one to save it for this year's D23?

And if three ships wasn't their plan all along, I wonder what changed.......

I'm curious if another line had been scheduled then changed or something, possibly Carnival corporation

 

[squirk]

but I do remember seeing that another line was building a ship around that time frame and has cancelled it, but can't remember which or where it was going to be built, so it is very possible.

I'm curious if another line had been scheduled then changed or something, possibly Carnival corporation

I seem to remember hearing the same thing back when Iger made the original announcement last year. So, as you both said, someone else cancelled or DCL bought out their slot, I guess.

 

[dclpluto]

I would think that they would do what other lines have done and leave for a 14 night or so from San Diego to do Australia. This eliminates a log of issues for many people.

takes longer than 14 nights to get there looking at other cruiselines. You want to stop at some places on the way. Probably be 2 repo cruises going to Australia. One from Vancouver to Hawaii. Than another from Hawaii to Australia. Not many people can afford or have the time to do 2 repo cruises than go on a Australia cruise after that. Even if there was that's only 1 Australia cruise that people will only have to fly one way on to or from Australia.

 

[bbel]

Thx. Then I wonder why DCL originally scheduled #5 & #6 with a gap year in-between. Unless three ships was their plan all along, and they intentionally "sat" on one to save it for this year's D23?

And if three ships wasn't their plan all along, I wonder what changed.......

I read somewhere that their excuse was that they realised they couldn't fit all the experiences they wanted on the two ships, but I'm pretty sure they would have known that a year ago when they announced the two.

It wouldn't surprise me if they kept the third ship back to keep them in the 'news' as it's still so far away and all the other big/main companies have ships coming out. That and virgin voyages starting up at the same time of the new ship.

Next up: new island for all the new sailings haha!

 

[bbel]

Here's an interesting list of all the cruise ships currently on order: company, tonnage, passenger capacity.
Well, interesting to me because I'm a geek.

I'm not sure if it's allowed so just delete if not, but here's the link:
https://www.cruisehive.com/cruise-features/new-cruise-ships-order

 

[cruiser21]

takes longer than 14 nights to get there looking at other cruiselines. You want to stop at some places on the way. Probably be 2 repo cruises going to Australia. One from Vancouver to Hawaii. Than another from Hawaii to Australia. Not many people can afford or have the time to do 2 repo cruises than go on a Australia cruise after that. Even if there was that's only 1 Australia cruise that people will only have to fly one way on to or from Australia.

Carnival alternates the Legend between Alaska and Australia. Royal has its new ship Ovation of the seas in Australia from Dec through March and Asia the rest of the year. Disney would have to be able to sell these cruises to Aussies to make it worthwhile for them.

 

[kid-at-heart]

How long does Disney plan on keeping the Magic (1998) & the Wonder (1999) in service. " “We decided two ships wouldn’t be enough to hold all of the exciting new experiences we have been dreaming up to take family cruise vacations to a whole new level with immersive Disney storytelling, world-class family entertainment, and imaginative innovations that are fantastically fun and uniquely Disney,” Bob Chapek, Chairman of Walt Disney Parks and Resorts, said." (DCL blog). At some point they will need to retire the Magic & Wonder. The may be preparing for that day.

My favorite ships, I hope they keep them in service forever. Or build new ones based on the "Classic" style and size.

 

[cmwade77]

My favorite ships, I hope they keep them in service forever. Or build new ones based on the "Classic" style and size.

Well they can't keep them running forever, it won't be economically feasible, but like you, I hope they keep this class of ship, other lines have built new smaller ships as well, so it is possible Disney could as well.

It is highly likely though that they will be up for sale or retirement around the time the 7th ship is complete based on averages with other lines, but they might still have a few years after that left in them given how well Disney maintains them compared to other lines, which would give them a chance to build a couple more classic sized ships before doing so.

 

[truck1]

@truck1 would the Fantasy or Dream fit through the new Panama Canal? I thought you had explained how they would at one point.

Yes. The Dream.and Fantasy and the "improved Dream class" for lack of a better term will fit in the new locks. The true deciding factor is the height of the Bridge of America's. A ship could fitnin the locks but not under the bridge. The Oasis class would be one of those.

 

[darnheather]

My prediction would be:
Magic - Europe full-time
Wonder - Alaska/West Coast/Hawaii
Dream/Fantasy - Asia/South Pacific/Australia
New Ships - Port Canaveral for Bahamas and Caribbean for the near term.

What about New York and Galveston? Would that be included in the three new ships? I'd miss Magic if she was in Europe all the time.

 

[darnheather]

I don't think this is likely, but given DCL's "classic ocean liner" aesthetic, it would be interesting to see if they'd ever have a ship that makes transatlantic sailings on a regular basis, a la Cunard's Queen Mary II. They could even do it as a triangle, where the first cruise goes NYC to Southampton, then the ship goes from Southampton to Florida (Port Canaveral or Miami), then the ship goes from Florida to NYC (via Bermuda--although would that qualify as a "distant port"?) and then from NYC either back to Southampton OR back to Florida (again, via Bermuda, if that's legal) and then from Florida to Southampton. If Bermuda doesn't count as a distant port, then they could just go NYC--Southampton, Southampton--Florida, Florida--Southampton, Southampton--NYC.

Basically, my thinking with that is that while they may not be able to fill the ship to go transatlantic between the same ports every week, if they alternated ports it might fill the rooms. There are a lot of people, particularly older people, who enjoy the transatlantic cruises and if they were an actual itinerary (rather than just repositioning cruises) they might do well. But there's also a reason I'm not in the travel planning business so I'm more likely to be wrong than I am to be right. I'd love to do one during the summer with our family.

I'd be over the moon if they did this. My dream is to do this and I'd probably do it every cruise if I could.

 

[toonaspie]

Surprised that DCL has no interest in building an Oasis-size ship. That would be a lot of kids though. Can't say I blame 'em.