A question about Walt

[isyne4u]

I'm not sure this is the right place to ask this, but if not hopefully someone will point me in the righ direction.

The question is, Was Walt a member of the Free masons?

I'm asking because a lady I was talking to today was telling me about a book called the Davinci Codes and she felt that the theory the book was putting forth was that the Mason's beliefs may have something to do with why the Walt Disney movies rarely have a mother in them.

I told her I thought they didn't have mothers because many of them were fairy tales long before Walt got a hold of them and it wasn't necessarily a Disney thing. Anyway, if anyone knows I would love to know.

thanks,
tara

 

[DEEPSEA]

Walt Disney - World famous cartoonist, Walt was a DeMolay (a member of a fraternal organization for young men sponsored by Freemasonry). He did not, however, join the Masonic organization. Rumors circulate continuously indicating that he was a Mason and some of them have proven quite tantalizing. No one, however, has been able to produce the name of a lodge to which Walt might have belonged and despite a desire to list him as a member of the Craft, there is simply no provable evidence that he was.

 

[isyne4u]

Okay, thanks for the info. I will pass it on.

You were very quick. I thought it would take few days before someone spotted this!!

thanks!
tara

 

[rwodonnell]

Originally posted by isyne4u
... may have something to do with why the Walt Disney movies rarely have a mother in them.

Are mothers actually any more rare than fathers in his movies? I admit to not knowing the plot to about 90% of the ones listed in his IMDB Bio, but some of the more prominent ones, like Bambi and Dumbo, feature a mother but no father. I can't think of one off the top of my head that has a father but no mother. (That was one thing that made Nemo a little bit unique I think. Sadly, not a lot of animated movies show a fatherly figure.) Please direct all flames and corrections as appropriate.

 

[phillybeth]

Someone want to tell me what being a Freemason has to do with disney movies not having a mother? I don't see the connection. Losing a parent is a common fear in children and obviously this has been exploited for centuries, as most of the stories that Disney based their movies on were years-old fairy tales. What does that have to do with being a mason?

 

[d-r]

"I can't think of one off the top of my head that has a father but no mother."

Little Mermaid (Triton)
Beauty and the Beast (Belle's Dad)

Well, Bambi if you think about it.

 

[Tekneek]

Maybe you know something I do not, but I have a strong feeling that Walt Disney had absolutely nothing to do with The Little Mermaid and Beauty & The Beast.

 

[isyne4u]

Originally posted by phillybeth
Someone want to tell me what being a Freemason has to do with disney movies not having a mother? I don't see the connection. Losing a parent is a common fear in children and obviously this has been exploited for centuries, as most of the stories that Disney based their movies on were years-old fairy tales. What does that have to do with being a mason?

I'll try to explain what the person i was talking to explained to me.

It has to do with this book The Davinci Codes and in it they apparently describe how different religions adapt the bible to their beliefs (pls. no flaming, this is how someone explained this book to me). Anyway, the discussion about Freemasons centered around Mary Magdalene (sp) being married to Jesus and that they wanted to remove the female figure so as not to dilute the religion because a woman was in the picture. Therefore if Walt were a Freeemason then that could explain why the movies don't depict mothers. (This was the opinion of the people reading this book...not mine).

So they asked me because I'm very into all things Disney if I knew if Walt was a member. So I came here to find out if any one knew the answer.

tara

Snow White (had evil step mother)
Cinderella (evil step mother)

 

[isyne4u]

Originally posted by Tekneek
Maybe you know something I do not, but I have a strong feeling that Walt Disney had absolutely nothing to do with The Little Mermaid and Beauty & The Beast.

exactly and this is why I don't think the two things are connected. I'm just trying to get info to tell my friend.
tara

 

[Another Voice]

Most of the fairly tales that survive do so because they help children grow and learn. The greatest fear a child has growing up is the loss of their mother. If you look at the meaning of most of these tales, they are about how to cope with that loss. This fear is found in stories from all cultures all over the world.

Stories about Freemasons, the Illuminati, and others are just run of the mill conspiracy theories to sooth the nerves of stupid people. People like to believe things are controlled rather than accept the facts. It's also a simpler explanation to believe that "the vast <insert your wing here> conspiracy is causing all the problems" rather than to accept responsibility.

Hollywood has been the scene of a lot of conspiracies. Working with these people I can tell you none of them are smart enough to pull it off. The conspiracies that they do try – the socialist/communists in the '30s and 50s, the Scientologists, PETA – are all really, really bad at controlling their own members let alone shaping the course of civilization.

 

[d-r]

Originally posted by Tekneek
Maybe you know something I do not, but I have a strong feeling that Walt Disney had absolutely nothing to do with The Little Mermaid and Beauty & The Beast.

Whoops, I was thinking of "Disney" the company, not Disney the man, sort of missed the point though, didn't I. Sorry, I jumped too quick. Well then, how about "Pinocchio?"

And still really Bambi if you think about it, right?

 

[phillybeth]

the discussion about Freemasons centered around Mary Magdalene (sp) being married to Jesus and that they wanted to remove the female figure so as not to dilute the religion because a woman was in the picture. Therefore if Walt were a Freeemason then that could explain why the movies don't depict mothers.

Freemasonry is NOT a religion, that is a common misconception. All members must believe in a Sumpreme Being, but that can be God, Jehovah, Allah, or the deity of your choice. There is a strong Judeo-Christian-Muslim influence with Solomon, the Great Temple, and mention of some minor Old Testament prophets and events, but they have no definable religious beliefs as a group. Of course Freemasonry is a male-centered organization, I don't think women are mentioned at all in their rituals.

 

[isyne4u]

Originally posted by Another Voice
Most of the fairly tales that survive do so because they help children grow and learn. The greatest fear a child has growing up is the loss of their mother. If you look at the meaning of most of these tales, they are about how to cope with that loss. This fear is found in stories from all cultures all over the world.

Stories about Freemasons, the Illuminati, and others are just run of the mill conspiracy theories to sooth the nerves of stupid people. People like to believe things are controlled rather than accept the facts. It's also a simpler explanation to believe that "the vast <insert your wing here> conspiracy is causing all the problems" rather than to accept responsibility.

Hollywood has been the scene of a lot of conspiracies. Working with these people I can tell you none of them are smart enough to pull it off. The conspiracies that they do try – the socialist/communists in the '30s and 50s, the Scientologists, PETA – are all really, really bad at controlling their own members let alone shaping the course of civilization.

lol! That is too funny! I agre about the fairy tales. The fairy tales, fables, tall tales were all written with explaining some thing or some concept. I can believe that people want an explination for things like that b/c it makes them feel better.

This friend has asked me in the past why Disney movies have so few mothers. I have tried to explain that they came to Disney this way and not the people at Disney saying "hey let's do another story of dead mother, wicked stepmother".

Thank you for all the responses. I stand by my original theory that Walt had nothing to do with the story lines in the early movies!
thanks,
tara

 

[isyne4u]

Originally posted by phillybeth
Freemasonry is NOT a religion, that is a common misconception. All members must believe in a Sumpreme Being, but that can be God, Jehovah, Allah, or the deity of your choice. There is a strong Judeo-Christian-Muslim influence with Solomon, the Great Temple, and mention of some minor Old Testament prophets and events, but they have no definable religious beliefs as a group. Of course Freemasonry is a male-centered organization, I don't think women are mentioned at all in their rituals.

Sorry, can't figure out how to quote more than one person per post.

Phillybeth-thanks for the explanation. I am not familiar with the Freemasons and was going by what they were telling me. I have no idea what they do or stand for etc. I know where their building is in my town and that is about it.

thanks,
tara

 

[Willowwind]

Free masons are elusive, and some would claim that this is the whole point. Oh, they say on their website to contact your local lodge for membership, but just try and get someone to return you phone call. Ha! My poor hubby's had his hopes dashed more than once by this.

In defense of the organization though, they're not "anti-woman", and these days they have supporting organizations for women and for children of the involved Masons. Still, I'm clueless as to how this would apply to Disney Movies.

Sounds like an interesting book your friend is reading though.

 

[EUROPA]

Originally posted by Willowwind
Free masons are elusive, and some would claim that this is the whole point. Oh, they say on their website to contact your local lodge for membership, but just try and get someone to return you phone call. Ha! My poor hubby's had his hopes dashed more than once by this.

My family has a long history of Free masons and Shrines in it. Your husbands best bet is find someone that he knows is a Mason and go that direction.

 

[jlambrig]

I don't know...what about this...

From a website>>>>>>>
I'm not sure if you know already, but Walt Disney was a 33rd degree Freemason of Scottish Rite. His company, which projects such a wholesome image, is used to deceive people, focusing mainly on children. The Disney movies are used to brainwash children. For example, "The Lion King" is a movie completely symbolic of a coming New World Order. I can't explain it all here, but check these sites and hopefully you can fit some information on Disney somewhere on your site. We need this information about Disney to get exposed as much as possible, ESPECIALLY TO THOSE WHO HAVE CHILDREN!_

http://www.newnetizen.com/globalelite/bloodlines/disneybloodline.htm

http://www.williamcooper.com/lionking.htm
>>>>>>>>>

Ok, no I don't believe this but it was pretty funny. BTW the DaVinci Codes is a great book

 

[isyne4u]

Originally posted by jlambrig
I don't know...what about this...

From a website>>>>>>>
I'm not sure if you know already, but Walt Disney was a 33rd degree Freemason of Scottish Rite. His company, which projects such a wholesome image, is used to deceive people, focusing mainly on children. The Disney movies are used to brainwash children. For example, "The Lion King" is a movie completely symbolic of a coming New World Order. I can't explain it all here, but check these sites and hopefully you can fit some information on Disney somewhere on your site. We need this information about Disney to get exposed as much as possible, ESPECIALLY TO THOSE WHO HAVE CHILDREN!_

http://www.newnetizen.com/globalelite/bloodlines/disneybloodline.htm

http://www.williamcooper.com/lionking.htm
>>>>>>>>>

Ok, no I don't believe this but it was pretty funny. BTW the DaVinci Codes is a great book

Talk about a conspiracy theory!! I haven't checked out the links but i'm going to. that is pretty funny to say that Disney is trying to set a new world order!! Do the people who think this realize that Walt is no longer at the helm of his ship? Well, most of us know that Walt is always there in spirit, but I don't think he had a lot to do with the Lion King!

I'm still chuckling about that one!

Since you have read the book, do you understand what point my friend is trying to make? I'm still confused but that is nothing new for me!

tara

 

[jlambrig]

Originally posted by isyne4u
Talk about a conspiracy theory!! I haven't checked out the links but i'm going to. that is pretty funny to say that Disney is trying to set a new world order!! Do the people who think this realize that Walt is no longer at the helm of his ship? Well, most of us know that Walt is always there in spirit, but I don't think he had a lot to do with the Lion King!

I'm still chuckling about that one!

Since you have read the book, do you understand what point my friend is trying to make? I'm still confused but that is nothing new for me!

tara

That isn't even the funniest or strangest one out there. It was one of the shortest I have come across though.

As for whether I understand the point, yes I do. I wouldn't necessarily have interpreted it the exact same way but this one is all based on one's perceptions to begin with. it is an entertaining read.

 

[isyne4u]

jlambrig- I copied that quote of yours from the website and sent it to my friend. I explained too, how the fairy tales were around long before Walt. I'll see what she says!!

Glad you understand the point!!

tara