A question about DLR rules

[GrtWtNorth]

The worst I saw was in the massive crowd gathered to enter California Adventure. A man wearing a police T-shirt (no LA or Anaheim, but another local city) was on his BlackBerry, talking loudly on his cell phone, using language that would be suitable for a raunchy bachelor party. He wasn't in the line, but he was 10 feet from the queue and very loud. We were trapped and couldn't avoid hearing his overly descriptive conversation. This went on for 5-10 minutes, and most families were doing their best to shelter their kids from the fifth. I was surprised security didn't respond sooner as we were all looking uncomfortable, except for Mr Oblivious. Finally, the dad in the family behind me had enough and yelled for him to "Watch your mouth, there's kids here."

Then the testosterone contest began, with Mr Oblivious asserting that he was a cop and he was within his rights to say "whatever the f#@& I want." I think the cop was a bit surprised that someone stood up to him, this dad was military and told the cop just how disrespectful and embarrassing his behavior was.

Security finally showed up, and everyone simmered down. Except for the mom of the family behind me. She was fiercely upset that her husband yelled at the other man "in front of our kids! Why couldn't you just let it go?" She had the most fierce and cutting whisper I've ever heard.

It was a shame security didn't get there sooner, because this jerk pissed off a lot of people and caused a lot of unnecessary strife within an otherwise normal family. Mr Military just had less tolerance for ignorance than the rest of us in line.

 

[Bossy22]

It reminds me of the smoking debate but to a lesser extent. People use to think they could smoke where they wanted, it was their right. Now most people have enough brains to realize their smoking affects other people. Swearing also affects others and should not be seen as your right. Tithe poster above that says her and her husband can swear all they want and people shouldn't eaves drop, make sure your talking in such a whisper that my 4 year old doesn't hear your filth!

 

[sukhakuli]

The Jungle Cruise tells us to watch our language.

I think saying that people who curse are ignorant or in possession of a limited vocabulary is going too far. Very intelligent, educated people make the choice to swear in their own private conversations. Just teach your kids that it is wrong, if it bothers you. But for many people they are just words, and don't hold any special "naughty" meaning. At least not anything worse than golly gee or darn it.

 

[whoever]

Very intelligent, educated people make the choice to swear in their own private conversations..

OK, let me add that people who ARE intelligent (and I won't take someone's own account on whether they are intelligent or not), and/or educated who swear at Disneyland are rude, inconsiderate, and lacking in common sense and courtesy.

 

[bumbershoot]

I think saying that people who curse are ignorant or in possession of a limited vocabulary is going too far. ......But for many people they are just words, and don't hold any special "naughty" meaning. At least not anything worse than golly gee or darn it.

Agreed and agreed.

And the most strict no-swearing people I know count things like "golly gee" and if you say that, even as a totally grown adult in the presence of other grown adults, you get to contribute to their "swear jar". ANY word or phrase used as some sort of epithet is a swear to them. My son has developed a horrid habit of saying "what the..." thanks to the Disney Channel shows he watches (lookin' at you, Kickin' It!), and I'm trying hard to get him to stop it. It instantly became a habit, though, it's wild how fast that happened!

But if he said that in front of Mrs S, he would be contributing to their swear jar, because that is just as bad in their eyes as if he ended that phrase with something....

After years of DISing I have gotten used to that phrase - took a while though and a lot of giggling in the meantime!

I was shocked when I realized it didn't mean what Americans use it to mean. Same general vicinity I suppose, but also very different!

 

[sukhakuli]

OK, let me add that people who ARE intelligent (and I won't take someone's own account on whether they are intelligent or not), and/or educated who swear at Disneyland are rude, inconsiderate, and lacking in common sense and courtesy.

Why? It's just words. What makes those so special?

 

[SMD]

I was shocked when I realized it didn't mean what Americans use it to mean. Same general vicinity I suppose, but also very different!

OT - I saw a movie from the UK the other day that uses that word several times without much context and I was sure that most people in the theater were confused.

In regards to the original post - It is your judgement that people who may say a curse word are ignorant. If your family members cannot "abide by" other people's behavior, then they should remove themselves from the situation. It is not reasonable to expect other people to modify their behavior because of your personal preferences. The question has been answered, yes, Disney allows cursing. I understand politely asking people to watch their language, but be prepared for them to decline your request. The same goes with people who feel it is their place to judge others or enforce some kind of code of behavior over line cutting and skimpy clothing. Disney allows these things, so if they are deal breakers for you, remove yourself from the situation, don't expect other guests to adjust themselves to your mold.

 

[perlster]

Yes, the question has been answered. Read an earlier post for the answer.

 

[whoever]

Why? It's just words. What makes those so special?

What if I approached you and called your wife/daughter/mother a slew of derogatory words? It's just words, right?

 

[bcla]

OT - I saw a movie from the UK the other day that uses that word several times without much context and I was sure that most people in the theater were confused.

In regards to the original post - It is your judgement that people who may say a curse word are ignorant. If your family members cannot "abide by" other people's behavior, then they should remove themselves from the situation. It is not reasonable to expect other people to modify their behavior because of your personal preferences. The question has been answered, yes, Disney allows cursing. I understand politely asking people to watch their language, but be prepared for them to decline your request. The same goes with people who feel it is their place to judge others or enforce some kind of code of behavior over line cutting and skimpy clothing. Disney allows these things, so if they are deal breakers for you, remove yourself from the situation, don't expect other guests to adjust themselves to your mold.

You seem to have an idea that Disney has no standards for conduct. They certainly do. They simply ask for their guests to use "discretion and common sense".

https://disneyland.disney.go.com/faq/general/#general-q15

Ensuring that the parks are family friendly is an important part of the Disney experience. In that spirit, we ask you to use your discretion and common sense.

There may not be a list of forbidden words, but just try and cuss out a CM and see how long it takes for security to be called. It would be a judgement call for there to be a warning and then maybe escalation to being tossed.

Heck - even on DISboards, I got a warning. All I used was the first letters of two words and it was in the context of a discussion on foul language. That post and a bunch of posts got deleted. I think all by itself my post might not have been deleted, but with all the activity in that thread, the moderator probably decided to just carpet bomb anything that suggested particular words.

Dear bcla,

You have received a warning at The DIS Discussion Forums - DISboards.com.

Reason:
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Filter Violation

2. NO PROFANITY

Simply put, don't use swear words and don't post or link to suggestive or inappropriate photos. The boards are equipped with censoring software. If you try to use a profanity, it will be filtered and appear as all asterisks. Please don't get creative in an attempt to bypass the filters. This is considered the same as using the word itself and will result in an infraction. If you post or link to pornography, you'll be banned from our site.

 

[SMD]

Why would I curse out a CM? There is a difference between confronting a CM and a guest who says curse words while standing in line having a conversation amongst their own party. In the example someone gave about the person cursing in front of the park, I guarantee you that security showed up to pervent a physical altercation between the guests who were shouting back and forth, not because someone used dirty words. If someone cannot abide hearing other people's conversations that include certain words, it is not Disney's place to intervene, nor will they. Having a line on their website about courtesy does not mean anything when you're in the park and see or hear another guest do something that offends your personal sensibilities. I also don't understand what an arbitrary disboards rule has to do with Disney's guest policies. You do know that this site is unaffiliated with Disney, right?

 

[perlster]

 

[Disney Dreams]

Okay, I have fought the urge to comment on this, but just can't any longer.

I know that DLR has rules about offensive clothing, etc., but what about offensive language and cursing? Do they do anything about folks with potty mouths?

If not, then I need to warn my husband and son-in-law because they cannot abide such ignorant people.

Why are people who use words that exist in the English language that have been labeled as "cursing" ignorant people? I don't see the connection between swearing and intelligence. I know some incredibly smart people who curse.

Also, what warning would you give your husband and son-in-law? Have they never been to a highly populated place at which people are free to speak before? I just don't understand the premise of the question.

Is "cursing" necessary? Of course not. However, there are people who will point out they are just words and if they are not directed towards anyone, words are simply words. If you don't want to hear what someone nearby is saying, step away. I don't like hearing people talk about dental work. If I'm nearby such conversation, I either tune it out or walk away. It's just that easy.

...I think first and foremost Disneyland is for kids,...

And this is the comment that made me jump in to this discussion. I whole-heatedly and completely disagree with this statement in every way. Disneyland is for everyone. It is for kids. It is for adults. It is for anyone in between. It is for individuals. It is for families. It is for couples. It is for friends. It is for everyone.

If it is first and foremost for kids, why aren't children of any age be allowed alone? If it is first and foremost for children, why isn't every attraction in the Park designed such that any child can ride?

Disneyland is for everyone.

- Dreams

 

[bcla]

...I think first and foremost Disneyland is for kids,...

And this is the comment that made me jump in to this discussion. I whole-heatedly and completely disagree with this statement in every way. Disneyland is for everyone. It is for kids. It is for adults. It is for anyone in between. It is for individuals. It is for families. It is for couples. It is for friends. It is for everyone.

If it is first and foremost for kids, why aren't children of any age be allowed alone? If it is first and foremost for children, why isn't every attraction in the Park designed such that any child can ride?

Disneyland is for everyone.

- Dreams

Do you understand what "first and foremost" means? It doesn't mean exclusively. It means a desire to put a certain category as the most important. That Disneyland was meant first and foremost for children is clear in the history of the park, starting with the first two children in line (who weren't the first people in line) getting lifetime passes that they still use to this day. It's clear in the quotes of Walt Disney, who made it clear that he meant for Disneyland to be a place for children and their families. It's clear in the policies, which allow children to dress up like Disney characters, but not adult guests. If you don't understand that, then you don't understand the history of why Walt Disney built Disneyland.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yRiYolQmXnc

To all that come to this happy place: welcome. Disneyland is your land. Here age relives fond memories of the past, and here youth may savor the challenge and promise of the future. Disneyland is dedicated to the ideals, the dreams, and the hard facts that have created America... with hope that it will be a source of joy and inspiration to all the world.

There was actually a time when there was no set rule on how young a child could enter unaccompanied. The policy shift was pretty recent, and meant for safety reasons.

 

[DizMe]

I feel the OP's wording created a defensive backlash. The overriding issue outside of how the OP's family handles profanity is how people feel about it. I don't think it's an all-or-nothing for most people. I do think the majority would agree that discretion is good, and loud public swearing is not. The problem is with the extremes who argue that there should be zero tolerance and the other side of the coin that feels "it's just words" and anything goes.

Arguments that include "if you don't like it, leave" and things of that ilk are assuming that position is the only correct one. There is almost always room for compromise and concession on both sides. If either side is adamant that they can (a) tell everyone else what they cannot ever say or (b) say whatever the bleep they want whenever they want to say it, then those are the folks that perhaps ought to stay in their own little world of supercilious narcissism. Otherwise, it's best to accept that there are varying ideas of appropriate behavior. If someone politely requests that you monitor your language a little, it doesn't mean it's a personal attack against you. Likewise, if you hear things you don't like but it's not directed at anyone and is not meant to be aggressive or derogatory, maybe just take a deep breath and let it go.

I would still argue that in a family environment like Disneyland, extreme profanity is inappropriate. I think most people agree, as I don't hear it much when I'm there.

 

[nannyz]

I was not going to say anything further in this thread, but I would like to clarify part of my original post and make a few comments.

When I used the word "ignorant," I was meaning "discourteous or rude," which is one meaning of the word. I certainly didn't mean that a person who curses is not intelligent.

A few posters have suggested that if I am offended by language, I should step away. This would be hard to do if I am standing in a line to ride and have been there for a while, hearing the person's foul language.

One poster asked how I would warn my DH and SIL. In the past we have not encountered a lot of bad language so if things have gotten worse I simply wanted to let them know what to expect. But from what I read, this is not the case, thankfully. They would not start a confrontation, but they would not be pleased to hear someone calling a lady names. And that issue is what prompted my original question.

Maybe part of this issue is generational. I am a very senior citizen. When I was growing up, cursing was not as prevalent as it is today, especially from women and kids. Obviously times have changed, but I still believe that cursing is unnecessary and impolite. And using the "f" word as one's only adjective is ugly.

 

[GatorChris]

Let's bring this all down to the common denominator of Walt. Why did he build Disneyland? After visiting some dirty carnival, he thought of the great idea to create a safe and clean place for a father to take his children for a day of fun.

So I'll ask this. When Walt said "clean", do you think he just meant a park free of dirt and grease?

 

[T0rrent]

Honestly I think the swearing thing has gotten way out of hand. The wife and I have easily spent about 2 calendar months at the park over the last 18 months and I have never seen anyone go bonkers to where you think you are in a room full of drunken sailors. Is the occasional swear word said? Yes. Heck I'm guilty of it too. I do try to watch myself at the park as I have been known to say some sentences and insults that would have made the late George Carlin blush.

If you feel someone is going way overboard, just politely ask them to stop. If they don't ignore it till you can mention it to a CM and let them make the decision on what to do. No one here is the swear police. I've honestly been called every name in the book. I don't get offended by it cause getting offended lets the other person win. If they want to call me a *insert derogatory term here*, i'll just smile and nod. If you so easily offended that it ruins your day, i'd recommend some ear plugs at the local pharmacy

 

[whoever]

Maybe part of this issue is generational. I am a very senior citizen. When I was growing up, cursing was not as prevalent as it is today, especially from women and kids. Obviously times have changed, but I still believe that cursing is unnecessary and impolite. And using the "f" word as one's only adjective is ugly.

Not necessarily. There were rude, uncouth people of all generations. Its a class issue (or should I say lack thereof).

 

[redwing]

Let's bring this all down to the common denominator of Walt. Why did he build Disneyland? After visiting some dirty carnival, he thought of the great idea to create a safe and clean place for a father to take his children for a day of fun. So I'll ask this. When Walt said "clean", do you think he just meant a park free of dirt and grease?

This was a perfect response...thank you!