A 5th Disney World Theme Park?!

[DC7800]

Last but not least, everyone always raves about Epcot. I don't get that park. One part is "the future", but there is not much futuristic about it

You should have seen the place in 1982. Remove the attractions about the future (Horizons), put Mission Puke-a-Twirl in its place, first leave to stagnate then dumb down the other pavilions, and you have Future World in 2008.

 

[Another Voice]

Last but not least, everyone always raves about Epcot.

It's all about individual choice.

Everyone likes something different. You like Animal Kingdom, many do not. You don't "get" EPCOT, for many people it's their favorite park.

In order to be successful, a theme park has to offer enough vareity so that most people can find a full day of activity among the choices offered. Sadly in Disney's recent parks - Disney/MGM Studios, Animal Kingdom, California Adventure, Disney Studios Paris, Hong Kong Disneyland - they've opened up the bare minimum number of attractions and demanded that everyone like each of them.

It doesn't work that way. People aren't going to hand over money for a park where only 4 out of the attractions/shows/walking paths there are interesting to them.

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

People aren't going to hand over money for a park where only 4 out of the attractions/shows/walking paths there are interesting to them.

Are you saying that some guests don't think Cretaceous Trail is one of Disney's most brilliant attractions?

 

[Another Voice]

It's no where near as stunning as the California Adventure "attraction" where you watch a tortilla making machine!

 

[Keyser]

It's no where near as stunning as the California Adventure "attraction" where you watch a tortilla making machine!

You know, I keep hearing reference to this attraction (I've never been to Calif.Adv.), and I've always though that the descriptions were just hyperbole. But, in looking up the attraction just now, it really does seem to be just watching a tortilla machine... Is that really the case? I mean, my 6-year old seems endlessly fascinated by the tortilla machine at our local Rosa's Cafe, but who on earth would think that watcing such a machine was worthy of a whole "attraction"?!?!

Surely I'm missing something. Is there more to it than just watching the dough get flattened and baked? I mean, is it actually an educational attraction about the food supply chain or something? That still doesn't sound like the most interesting thing, but if done right (like some Epcot shows) it could be OK...

Please tell me that they didn't really just take a machine you can see at a local fast food restaurant and call it an attraction.

 

[ChrisFL]

You know, I keep hearing reference to this attraction (I've never been to Calif.Adv.), and I've always though that the descriptions were just hyperbole. But, in looking up the attraction just now, it really does seem to be just watching a tortilla machine... Is that really the case? I mean, my 6-year old seems endlessly fascinated by the tortilla machine at our local Rosa's Cafe, but who on earth would think that watcing such a machine was worthy of a whole "attraction"?!?!

Surely I'm missing something. Is there more to it than just watching the dough get flattened and baked? I mean, is it actually an educational attraction about the food supply chain or something? That still doesn't sound like the most interesting thing, but if done right (like some Epcot shows) it could be OK...

Please tell me that they didn't really just take a machine you can see at a local fast food restaurant and call it an attraction.

Hehe, you don't know DCA...and it's difficult to fully grasp the sheer underwhelmingness of the place until you visit it for yourself.

 

[Another Voice]

Don't just take our word for it - see it for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qada_Eyh_yo

The "attraction" begins with a preshow - a video monitor shows a faux elementary school group project on the history of the tortilla (I'm not kidding). After that you pass by a few veiw boxes showing scenes of people making tortillas by hand. Then you pass into the "Production Room" and walk inbetween two restaurant-szed tortilla making machines. If Disney is having a good quater, you get a whole tortilla right from the machine. If, say, Meet the Robinson's craters at the box office you only get half a tortilla. Then there's a counter sized "demonstration" kitchen that (on the very rare days anyone staffs the thing), someone explains to the tourists the wonders of nachos and quessadillas.

And that's it. This is listed as an "offical" attraction on the park maps. Disney even listed it on the "DCA opened with more attractions than Disneyland did" PR disaster right after opening.

This pile of *^@((&$ is the most obnoixous thing Disney has ever put together - and I speak as an expert having seen The Black Hole and having ridden both Dreamflight and SuperStar Limo.

On the off chance you're wowed by the making of tortillas, you can see Rooise "You Only Need Mother Dough" O'Donnell (pre-crazy) and the bald guy from 'Whose Line is it Anyway show you how bread is made. This is a much more upscale attraction becuase this has monitors to explain the machne!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEG5VGr4Ius

Oh - and if you're sad about losing your Jermey Irons fix from 'Spaceship Earth', you can still listen to him tell you all about California wine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeaDwbTObr8
(expect that you'll have to ask someone to turn on the projector these days - the attraction is "open" but if has no staff).

People who have not seen California Adventure simply do not understand how far Disney has fallen.

 

[Another Voice]

Sorry, unintentional duplicate. DCA isn't worth doing anything twice.

 

[ChrisFL]

Sorry, unintentional duplicate. DCA isn't worth doing anything twice.

 

[MJMcBride]

Sorry, unintentional duplicate. DCA isn't worth doing anything twice.

how about once?

 

[kxrrycatastrophe]

apparently a fiftth disney park will be coming in 2010
it will be a vilain theme park. thats what was announced.

 

[KYMickey]

apparently a fiftth disney park will be coming in 2010 it will be a vilain theme park. thats what was announced.

Just wondering, when and where was this announced? Certainly no one else has heard about it!

 

[Wall-E1]

Just wondering, when and where was this announced? Certainly no one else has heard about it!

It was just announced by Kxrrycatastrophe. That's good enough for me.

 

[ChrisFL]

apparently a fiftth disney park will be coming in 2010
it will be a vilain theme park. thats what was announced.

Right, and Mickey Mouse announced he is retiring and Goofy is going to be the new main icon for the Disney parks, much to the dismay of Donald

 

[Wall-E1]

Right, and Mickey Mouse announced he is retiring and Goofy is going to be the new main icon for the Disney parks, much to the dismay of Donald

I can confirm this. I heard it straight from the mouth of a bus driver. What worries me is that Goofy is not as smart as Mickey. I am concerned that Donald will take advantage of this and somehow sabotage Goofy.

 

[mitros]

OK guys, no more drinking and visiting Disboards at the same time............

 

[Mouseaholic!!!]

Don't just take our word for it - see it for yourself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qada_Eyh_yo

The "attraction" begins with a preshow - a video monitor shows a faux elementary school group project on the history of the tortilla (I'm not kidding). After that you pass by a few veiw boxes showing scenes of people making tortillas by hand. Then you pass into the "Production Room" and walk inbetween two restaurant-szed tortilla making machines. If Disney is having a good quater, you get a whole tortilla right from the machine. If, say, Meet the Robinson's craters at the box office you only get half a tortilla. Then there's a counter sized "demonstration" kitchen that (on the very rare days anyone staffs the thing), someone explains to the tourists the wonders of nachos and quessadillas.

And that's it. This is listed as an "offical" attraction on the park maps. Disney even listed it on the "DCA opened with more attractions than Disneyland did" PR disaster right after opening.

This pile of *^@((&$ is the most obnoixous thing Disney has ever put together - and I speak as an expert having seen The Black Hole and having ridden both Dreamflight and SuperStar Limo.

On the off chance you're wowed by the making of tortillas, you can see Rooise "You Only Need Mother Dough" O'Donnell (pre-crazy) and the bald guy from 'Whose Line is it Anyway show you how bread is made. This is a much more upscale attraction becuase this has monitors to explain the machne!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEG5VGr4Ius

Oh - and if you're sad about losing your Jermey Irons fix from 'Spaceship Earth', you can still listen to him tell you all about California wine!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeaDwbTObr8
(expect that you'll have to ask someone to turn on the projector these days - the attraction is "open" but if has no staff).

People who have not seen California Adventure simply do not understand how far Disney has fallen.

It's sadly obvious how much they missed the point in DCA. They are now investing a good deal of $$$$ to update the park.

I must agree...it's small and although there are a few highlights - TOT, TSM and TTBAB.....oh yes - the Oh Sh-- coaster and Da-- Bear Ride.....there are vast areas that DO need to be improved. It certainly is no where near worth the cost for a one-park ticket!

In the past...Disney would have never wasted that much $$$. They would have built a park to add to....not to correct after a few years.

I guess that's what happens when you fire your talented imagineers!

Don't get met wrong - DH and I LOVE the charm of Disneyland - will be there in a few weeks. DCA, however, is not a shining example of how to build a brand new park.

 

[SIMJUN]

there have been rumours of a Villains park for years. I wish it was more than a rumour. A villains park with roller coasters would be so much fun.

 

[Jblust524]

While I'd love a new park, let's finish the ones that exist...honestly, DHS and AK feel half done. EP WS needs NEEDS new countries.....AK where camp minnie mikey is, obvously doesn't quite fit. I know this is where the mystical creatures portion of the park was supposed to be. Complete this and you complete the park. DHS I think is actually in more dire need of more to do. TSM is good, but they need an E ticket ride.

 

[johnGorski]

I think that 5th gate is old news they can expand other parks before a 5th gate. I would expect a 5th gate 2020-2030
but here is what I think about expansion to other parks
AK-ausi land or mythical kingdom
MK-Fantasy land "announced"
DHS-more expansion to pixar area, indy ride-star tours announced
Epcot-two new country one hosting a E-ticket

This is a much more cost effective then a 5 gate. I would bet a 5th gate would be 3-5billion.