Stacey, been thinking about you all day. I hope everything went well!
Still the same flag BIP just shrunk. I think it is small enough for your siggy.
Okay thanks!!!
You touched a nerve with me today -- we had to cancel a Scout campout this weekend because we had 22 boys signup and only three parents (myself, and two asst. scoutmasters) to drive. My DS11 was majorly upset because it included a trip to the railroad museum. The campout was only 45 minutes away.
But I know a lot of parents in Naperville have 'more money than time', but we are going to have to start excluding boys from campouts (something we hate to do) if their parents aren't volunteering to drive occasionally.
That stinks.
Our Boy scouts every single boy that goes has to be taken there by a parent and the parent has to stay (and we have to pay for the boy AND parent because everything they do has a price to it... nothing free). Don't get me started on the enormous cost of Boy Scouts (especially in comparison to Girl Scouts) and wondering where all the money from popcorn selling, $50 yearly dues, etc. goes... but I guess in a way it helps to make the parents always come- so something like THIS doesn't happen.
However, your post (and who you are replying to there) reminded me about CaptainCrash's comment- about another parent commenting on him refereeing his daughter's game which his wife was coach.... actually that is not exactly fair. Here you can ref- and you can coach- but you can't ref your own child's team. In fact referees cannot ref the same age group as their child that plays... to avoid this happening. I totally realize that you, Tom, would be able to ref unbiased, but not all refs would be able to...
As BIP would say:
Ya'nnooo....
I get two ends of what you're talkin' about here. As a SAHD (who's also kept a modest business limping along for 19 years) I feel that most of the Moms dropping off kids - or hanging around at the playgrounds are just a little bit in thier own little covens or cliques. I make some conversation, throw little parties and such - and get involved with various functions from time to time. However, I don't think it's a really thriving community thing/ experience for me ... yet. We have not spun off with one or two families at our school to hang for many "diversions". Volunteering or otherwise.
Now - most recently, as a volunteer referee and with my spouse as volunteer coach for the same AYSO team it's still somewhat similar. So - I don't know what to think. I guess nothing realy comes easy. In business - my spouse and I are essentially in sales or sales management... so you would think we are good at being gregarious and forging relationships. And I think we are efective in our respective businesses. But the thing is that when things turn personal... things do change a little. we don't really want to MAKE everyone who happens to meet us an "intimate" of sorts. We are really looking for like minded souls, common interests, and - in fact - I find myself OBSERVING more (as opposed to being the gregarious business minded fellow looking a dollar). And in observing I am more judicious about how far I'll talk about things or ... volunteer otherwise. SO... I can say though that I've been stopped a couple times around town an waved to as the Team Soccer Ref or Coach (even though my spouse is the coach) by families who have kids on our team. They spotted me first and approached me. (chuckles) The way I shop or scurry about town I'm often like a secret agent on a Impossible Mission task and go directly to get my things done then back out to the car - kno what I mean?
I think - on reflection - that some of the folks who I see "hangin'" whom I HAVE learned about (indirectly) have kids that have shared more than a year together ( a ouple years of classes together). Or there are other reasons for them hanging out more together. That's what my spources tell me (the teachers or others I chat with aside.
As for if they are working or not - I would say that sometimes having the free time in the business day does make for opportunities to get to know other people - no doubt about it. But then again - it takes some time too.
Chuckles!
I don't mind your wordy posts- but I sure wish you wouldn't make them in tiny print! I had to quote your post just to be able to read it comfortably. LOL
In response to your post, and others on this topic, I'm glad to hear it's something that is not just an issue HERE or rather that it's not just me.
I'm a SAHM- however, I get the same clique feel and have for years. I used to go to school here- and I know a lot of people and they know me- but it's not like we were really friends in school... I was a band geek/bookworm type and didn't make a whole LOT of friends- plus I didn't graduate from here as my family moved to a nearby town towards the end of highschool. Even being a SAHM and trying to be involved- I feel the "clique" thing going on.
I try to be very involved- but sometimes I feel just "left out" of the "friends" thing going on. I was very involved in the town we lived in (ironically not a town I ever went to school in and didn't know a soul there like from the past/my childhood or anything like that) and I never felt the same thing there. Perhaps because less people wanted to be involved there or perhaps because it was a smaller town. I was room mother for years for Ruby's classes, involved with PTA, GS troop leader, you name it. She doesn't have room mother now (and hasn't since 5th grade) so at that point I thought it's time to do the same for my younger kids just starting school. However, by that time we'd moved back to THIS town- and things were different.
With Robert I kept trying to sign up for room mother but could never seem to be "first" to sign in and say I wanted to be room mother. So I just came to all the parties (helped decorate/etc.) and stayed involved as much as I could (helped with fall festival, signed up to help chaperone all field trips, etc.) and I did the same with Rita when she started school too- but still felt like an outcast. I mean like I'd be there for a holiday party and there were be the room mother and a few other moms there standing talking like they are the best of friends and I'm just "there" -standing near them... but not included in the conversation/etc.
Then sometimes even when I WAS able to sign up first as room mother- it didn't work out that great. Seems then someone else (or multiple other people) would offer to be room mother and the teacher would make us all co-room mothers and the other (or others) would completely take over. Had that happen in Rita's 1st grade class last year- the co-room mother just took over and did everything (after I did the initial work at the beginning of the year with all the paperwork, signing up people to help at the fall festival, etc.) -she was very affluent in the community and apparently well known- and just took over. I didn't really know how to "take" control back over from her. But I was still there -always- and as involved as possible..
THIS year I was first to sign up as room mother for both my youngest- so far for Rita at the first parent's mtg (just the other night) a few others expressed interest in being room mother and I overheard the teacher telling them I'd already signed up but then called me over and I had to graciously accept being co-room mothers. Which is fine, as long as I don't get pushed out like in the past- yanno?
Anyway, I won't bore you with more details on this subject- just wanted to express that it's not always just a "clique" going against working parents... sometimes they do it even to stay at home moms. Often times here (not sure if it's the same reasons everywhere else) it's because the moms grew up together, their kids have had classes together/been friends and spend time outside of school together, their kids in sports together/etc. And it's very hard to "infiltrate" that type of thing as an outsider trying to be involved too. But I just do what I'm going to do and try not to think about the fact that although I'm there- clearly I'm not "part of their clique" thing going on.
(just for an example- Ruby made cheerleader this year. Ruby is very much like I was in school- she's in band, likes to read a lot, has a few good friends- which unfortunately most of which ended up at the OTHER middle school now that we have two middle schools starting this year, involved in sports- not tumbling/cheering in the past, etc. She wasn't exactly outgoing and didn't have a lot of friends- just a few. KWIM? she just did her thing with school- good grades, band, athletics and then home... only a few friends she might go to a birthday party or something but like I said- most of those at the other school this year. On this cheerleading squad all the moms know one another, all the girls know one another- they've been friends forever... maybe not every single one of them that close to every single one of the cheerleaders/moms- but like in "groups" that link up. For instance these 3 girls are friends in school and have gone to tumbling/cheer classes together for years- some of those girls friends for years with some of the other girls- and some of the girls they are friends with their moms knew one another for years and their kids involved in things together like classes, etc. For instance all the moms know one another's names and all the girls names. We're talking 13 girls and 13 moms.. Now I know I'm not good with names- but we have literally only had tryouts- which parents weren't allowed there, the girls went to cheer camp in the summer- without moms there! -and Ruby was kinda treated as an outcast there..., and started school 2wks ago with only one pool party this summer and one sign painting- earlier this evening was it. They all know each other's names and are good friends! *I* am having a hard time already knowing everyone's names... and Ruby can't even help me because she ALSO has not yet learned everyone's names. Just saying that to explain how a lot of these people- and their kids- already know one another quite well.. and if you're not part of that you feel kinda like an outsider. They have not been mean or anything- I don't mean to say that. You just feel like it's weird that everyone -moms and girls- all have known one another for a LONG time...yanno? So you just feel like you're "there".. but I still keep trucking on being "there" regardless.

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I saw on the other thread that someone else has the Roy. I have forgotten the name of the other thread for this sailing.
I think I know who has the Roy on our cruise... (not KNOW know them.. just know who has that suite LOL)
Oh yeah, our school is exactly like this. you have to know someone to be able to participate.
when my DS 10 was in first grade I got a message on my answering machine that went like this: Hi Mrs. --- your turn has come up to participate at school. The Thanksgiving feast is next week. I see here that you work full time. We have lots of moms who would like the opportunity to attend the event, but it is your turn. So, if you can't make it because of work there are lots of moms to take your turn. If I don't hear from you today, I'll give your turn away.
So I call the woman back & tell her I wouldn't miss the opportunity. What about work , she asks? Well, they do let us have a few hours off per year.
Now every Thursday I have a standing meeting with my boss and a few others. I called him & said re-schedule the meeting. I'll come early, stay late but I'm going to the first grade TG feast come He-- or high water.
I get to the feast & this same woman comes up to me and says, we have too many moms here, you can leave

I looked her square in the eye and said tell one of the other moms they can leave. I'm staying.
Yep, that's the type of thing that might happen to me- even though I don't work (worded instead if I'm "unable" to do it, someone else very willing- or sometimes not even tell me and just let someone else do it- that's what I meant above by someone just "taking over" like as room mother/etc.) and that's exactly how I TRY to respond to that behavior also -like you did. I will admit last year I let the lady take over but that was primarily because things would be done before I'd find out it needed to be done- so there was nothing I could do about it. And also partly because she seemed to be on good terms/close with the teacher... and also partly because she was very obviously RICH and kept doing things, buying things, throwing class parties, etc. that I'm not sure we could have afforded. So it's not like I could take over myself and do the same things she did...so I let her. That's the only instance where I stepped back and let it happen though.
She's still having difficulty breathing but it is better. I can still see her struggling when I look at her, but I can't hear the wheezing as much. Slowly but steadily improving I guess.
I'm so glad she's improving! Thinking good thoughts fo rher!
If you mean RenKnt, he's my husband - and a fink for getting the pirate.
oh man. I looked at the website the other day and it appears that the swabbies are about caught up, if they aren't completely caught up with us already. The wenches need to get on it! (and don't allow your husbands online when it's almost time... y'hear? LOL)