7DMT TV Commercial-Misleading?

[jade1]

That is not even part of the ride. It's from the movies. They use no ride footage in any of the commercials so far.

Soo....not misleading then?

Edit - and they tamed the new ride down so it would be more accessible to a younger crowd. Isn't the major complaint towards Universal here the fact that they are all "thrill rides"? I believe the height requirement is 48" (maybe 42" - I forget) to let children enjoy it as well (if they aren't afraid of giant dragons and Voldemort, that is).

So now it's making sense that WDW made the Mine Train more kid friendly, at least since that's what UNI decided to do to.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Soo....not misleading then?



So now it's making sense that WDW made the Mine Train more kid friendly, at least since that's what UNI decided to do to.

I am just stating the facts about the commercials. You can spin it how you will. I guess we just have a different interpretation of "misleading". I think you posting the pic of the girl holding the fish that you always used to post (I assume your daughter or DIL) was misleading. Unless you look really good for your age with college age children, I would assume that pic was not you. You had us going there for awhile. If not...well then congrats!

Ok...we will go there...since you brought it up.

The Mine Train IS a kiddie ride and that has been made perfectly clear from the beginning "because it's in Fantasyland and only kids rides can be put there". So that argument doesn't hold water. Gringotts is designed to thrill people of all ages (with the exception of 3 to 5 year olds I suppose). It's still WAY more innovative/advanced than ANY ride Disney has on property in the US.

How often do you ride FJ? Or is it too much for you? Would you like another FJ that you don't ride or would you like to ride something you can tolerate? FJ alienates a lot of people because of the motion sickness thing and the height requirement. Guess what? They made something "exciting" that "more" people can handle, including a younger crowd( assuming they aren't scardey cats). How can you argue that? Oh, and it is themed to the max....what are the chances? The entire land is cohesive and has a ton to offer for fans.

I broke down and watched the videos because I couldn't take it. DW is pissed at me and still refuses to watch. Explain to me how this is in any way comparable to the Mine Train (and it's 3 minutes longer) It's 3D and is filmed here through the lens of a camera so please don't call out the clarity...for sake of argument.

http://youtu.be/DJHfF2udZv8

And if you want to get technical...here it is filmed in night vision so you can see the track layout, physical sets and actual motion of the cars. But the Mine Train has really quiet lift hills...so that is kinda cool.

http://youtu.be/yp4eQNVx2Wk

Psssst....you want to sit in the back row of the second car for the "maximum thrill". Mmmmmm....hops.

 

[jade1]

Not sure about the fish but yes DD caught that fish. Did I say I did somewhere? I did take the pic.

So your saying on a thread that was started solely for the purpose to bash WDW for putting out a commercial that shows a "kiddie ride train" speeding up to make it appear better/faster is accurate, but when UNI puts out a commercial showing the new flagship attraction (indeed with coaster rails) containing a clip of the car moving through the rails at well over 100 miles an hour (that's my opinion on what I see at the 8 second mark) thats not misleading?

Yes the Mine Train was advertised and delivered as a kiddie coaster-and guess what-still more physical G's than the Flagship coaster ride at UNI.

I think it will be better than FJ-that does not thrill me at all compared to D Challenge and Hulk because it's video screens-still a great ride but not even close.

DA looks amazing for what it is and we will enjoy it thoroughly-but IMO they totally missed the chance at the one part of the HP books to capitalize on the coaster.

At a minimum it should be like M Space-one line goes through in it's current wimpy form, and the other line's cars detour into a RNR type experience before returning to the finish-but just my opinion.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Not sure about the fish but yes DD caught that fish. Did I say I did somewhere? I did take the pic.

So your saying on a thread that was started solely for the purpose to bash WDW for putting out a commercial that shows a "kiddie ride train" speeding up to make it appear better/faster is accurate, but when UNI puts out a commercial showing the new flagship attraction (indeed with coaster rails) containing a clip of the car moving through the rails at well over 100 miles an hour (that's my opinion on what I see at the 8 second mark) thats not misleading?

Yes the Mine Train was advertised and delivered as a kiddie coaster-and guess what-still more physical G's than the Flagship coaster ride at UNI.

I think it will be better than FJ-that does not thrill me at all compared to D Challenge and Hulk because it's video screens-still a great ride but not even close.

DA looks amazing for what it is and we will enjoy it thoroughly-but IMO they totally missed the chance at the one part of the HP books to capitalize on the coaster.

At a minimum it should be like M Space-one line goes through in it's current wimpy form, and the other line's cars detour into a RNR type experience before returning to the finish-but just my opinion.

I showed how it's possible to attract a bigger audience without making them puke (it has been "toned down" twice since it opened for the people who couldn't handle it). Gringotts is just one more example of how Universal is able to encompass a bigger demographic with something relevant in this day and age.

And in all honesty, where was this ever publicized as Universal's " Flagship coaster"? That would be news to me...and I am pretty much up on anything that has to do with all themeparks. I think the average Joe walking up to the gate would assume that giant Rip Ride Rockit thing "might" be considered that.

And maybe it's just me, as a coaster freak...there are times for G's and not. If we really want to make this argument about G forces then I think we are stretching it a bit. G's don't mean crap if I am immersed in the environment. I get a ton of G's on Mission Space and I am staring at a 10" x 10" screen (that is being generous) and pressing meaningless buttons (psssst...sometimes I am too bored to press them but it ends up the same). And although it doesn't mean squat, I would be interested in the article that discusses the two rides in question G force measurements.

And what ride are you talking about that should have an "orange" and "green" side? FJ?

 

[mummabear]

You could also argue that it's misleading that they show several of the dwarves hanging out at the ride.

And it is a little.

 

[Mad Hattered]

And it is a little.

Not to mention that I have never even heard one of them talk, let alone "rap".

 

[jade1]

I showed how it's possible to attract a bigger audience without making them puke (it has been "toned down" twice since it opened for the people who couldn't handle it). Just one more example of how Universal is able to encompass a bigger demographic with something relevant in this day and age.

And in all honesty, where was this ever publicized as Universal's " Flagship coaster"? That would be news to me...and I am pretty much up on anything that has to do with all themeparks. I think the average Joe walking up to the gate would assume that giant Rip Ride Rockit thing "might" be considered that.

And maybe it's just me, as a coaster freak...there are times for G's and not. If we really want to make this argument about G forces then I think we are stretching it a bit. G's don't mean crap if I am immersed in the environment. I get a ton of G's on Mission Space and I am staring at a 10" x 10" screen (that is being generous) and pressing meaningless buttons (psssst...sometimes I am too bored to press them but it ends up the same). And although it doesn't mean squat, I would be interested in the article that discusses the two rides in question G force measurements.

And what ride are you talking about that should have an "orange" and "green" side? FJ?

Most of what we are discussing isn't really the point IMO.

If you can't agree both adds are misleading (the point of the thread), then you are a UNI apologist IMO.

DA is the new Flagship IMO-it is portrayed as a coaster also IMO-and anyone that watched that video (and has seen Gringotts bank scenes in HP} would not only assume it is a coaster-but an insanely fast one.

The fact they built it so all ages can ride it makes perfect sense to me. WDW does that same thing.

I was just adding that the coaster in HP was custom made for a coaster in a theme park IMO-DA missed that opportunity.

And yes DA should therefore have orange/green sides so that they could have the cars either go slow as it is-or detour off into another cavern similar to the RNR layout accelerating into twists and turns LIKE THE TEASER SHOWS.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Most of what we are discussing isn't really the point IMO.

If you can't agree both adds are misleading (the point of the thread), then you are a UNI apologist IMO.

DA is the new Flagship IMO-it is portrayed as a coaster also IMO-and anyone that watched that video (and has seen Gringotts bank scenes in HP} would not only assume it is a coaster-but an insanely fast one.

The fact they built it so all ages can ride it makes perfect sense to me. WDW does that same thing.

I was just adding that the coaster in HP was custom made for a coaster in a theme park IMO-DA missed that opportunity.

And yes DA should therefore have orange/green sides so that they could have the cars either go slow as it is-or detour off into another cavern similar to the RNR layout accelerating into twists and turns LIKE THE TEASER SHOWS.

OK. I apologize. I thought you bumped a thread that hadn't been posted on in almost a month because you wanted to discuss details. My bad. Now I get what the point was. I take everything back. Except for the fish.

 

[jade1]

I did find the original fish post, but DD's photo was deleted.

I left it so it would not say "edited" today.

As you can see it clearly says she caught it.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3077740

Apology accepted.

 

[bumbershoot]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9e7pNiZNi3M

Everything in that ad is from the movies. I do not believe that I will suddenly be in a movie. I don't think I'll be going to the real Gringott's. I do not believe that I will be in danger of being struck by lightning while on the ride. And I do not believe that I will suddenly be on a ridiculously tiny 3 rail magical wizard coaster that was from the movies.

This thing is in a fire breathing dragon alley-not in Suess Land of Fantasyland.

You know it's Diagon Alley, right? Not Dragon Alley?

If you aren't familiar, if you say "Diagon Alley" quickly you get "diagonally". Just like you get a different word if you say "Knockturn Alley" quickly.

 

[Mad Hattered]

I did find the original fish post, but DD's photo was deleted.

I left it so it would not say "edited" today.

As you can see it clearly says she caught it.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3077740

Apology accepted.

That is not the post in question but it's all good. It was posted in a debate about FP+ and how YOU would spend your time because you now you could book 3 rides in advance. DW hates my memory too.

 

[jade1]

OK. I apologize. I thought you bumped a thread that hadn't been posted on in almost a month because you wanted to discuss details. My bad. Now I get what the point was. I take everything back. Except for the fish.

DA just opened last week.

Yea a whole thread was started and piled on because WDW does it-but when US does it-either silence or excuses.

 

[jade1]

That is not the post in question but it's all good. It was posted in a debate about FP+ and how YOU would spend your time because you now you could book 3 rides in advance. DW hates my memory too.

Yea I (and DD) would and will spend my time fishing with 3 FP+ just waiting for me. It doesn't mean I caught this fish.

 

[Mad Hattered]

DA just opened last week.

Yea a whole thread was started and piled on because WDW does it-but when US does it-either silence or excuses.

A MONTH ago (this thread). There are better arguments now. Let's take it here.

http://www.disboards.com/showthread.php?t=3300174

The Mods have seemed totally tolerant and have let us have a place to discuss such things in detail. I think it's better to keep it in one place than to have us Death Eaters clog up every thread.

 

[bumbershoot]

Just watched the ad linked to in the first place.

Being in WA and not watching much (live) TV, we don't see ANY sorts of themepark ads except the occasional Silverwood (Cedarwood? something wood) and Disneyland ads.

How would anyone get the idea that it was a scary fast ride from that commercial

Now that it was pointed out is just looks dumb and unnatural.

Agree with the above.

It's not even that they sped it up, but that they moved the ride vehicle forward in space. Coasters don't move that way.

I just showed it to my son, and he got that it wasn't crazy fast. If he had thought that, we would have had a nice talk about it. For some reason he doesn't always believe me, or that I know what I'm doing (finally figured out the WHY of that while traversing the London Underground...turns out he thinks that reading signs means I'm lost ) but if there's something involving Disney or Universal, if he wants to actually go on a trip with us, he needs to listen to us and believe that we have his best interests at heart. And that would mean understanding what this coaster actually is.

There are certain unchangeable physical laws to take into consideration. The camera is stationary and the train is moving at whatever speed it is going. If you are looking at the same thing and following it with your eyes from the time it comes into view until it disappears from view, you are keeping up with it's speed by moving your eyes and head with the motion you are seeing. Try the same thing just looking straight ahead without moving with it and see how much faster it seems to be.

You just reminded me of the "goat trick" you can do (unless the goat is gone) on Big Thunder at Disneyland. Turn your head to watch the goat and the ride feels like it's going 100 mph and it can make you pretty dizzy/woozy/nauseated. That's how I feel. Others LIKE the feeling and would describe it differently.

 

[jade1]

Everything in that ad is from the movies. I do not believe that I will suddenly be in a movie. I don't think I'll be going to the real Gringott's. I do not believe that I will be in danger of being struck by lightning while on the ride. And I do not believe that I will suddenly be on a ridiculously tiny 3 rail magical wizard coaster that was from the movies.




You know it's Diagon Alley, right? Not Dragon Alley?

If you aren't familiar, if you say "Diagon Alley" quickly you get "diagonally". Just like you get a different word if you say "Knockturn Alley" quickly.

Actually I think they built it to feel like you are in a movie-and I know they meant it to look like the "real" Gringotts.

Look at it this way-if it did have some wide fast sweeping curves and drops and inversions, it would be less surprising than not having any after watching the movies it is based on and watching that teaser at least IMO.

I mean do you watch that teaser and say-well obviously there will be very minimal if any coaster speed or movement from what I see.

Yes my point is it is under a fire breathing dragon in an alley-not suess landing or Fantasyland, yet even then the Mine Train turned out to be a bigger faster coaster-at least that's what I'm hearing and hoping that is not at all true-which I still find very hard to believe.

 

[Mad Hattered]

Actually I think they built it to feel like you are in a movie-and I know they meant it to look like the "real" Gringotts.

Look at it this way-if it did have some wide fast sweeping curves and drops and inversions, it would be less surprising than not having any after watching the movies it is based on and watching that teaser at least IMO.

I mean do you watch that teaser and say-well obviously there will be very minimal if any coaster speed or movement from what I see.

Yes my point is it is under a fire breathing dragon in an alley-not suess landing or Fantasyland, yet even then the Mine Train turned out to be a bigger faster coaster-at least that's what I'm hearing and hoping that is not at all true-which I still find very hard to believe.

As "real" as they probably wanted to make Gringotts, Orlando has about a 48"-72" water table level, so plummeting thousands of feet below the surface would probably be a stretch, even for Universal Creative.

They made a ride that is exciting for a larger group of people (not to be confused by the group that can't fit in the Mine Train).

 

[gericoronado]

I think you summed it up nicely, with the most telling points being...



I don't see why the question posed in the title of this thread is the least bit controversial. The ad makes the ride seem as if it is on par with BTMRR, (at a minimum...I will leave aside the debate as to whether they portray it as taking the thrill level a step further). Anyone who views the ad objectively as you have done has to agree that the ad tries to place the ride on a level of BTMRR. Really, that is beyond debate or dispute. But that was not the point of the question originally posed. The question is, in so doing, is the ad misleading? It would appear that some would answer: "Yes. The ride is not at the level of BTMRR and it is misleading to portray it as such." And others would answer: "No. While the ride is not at the level of BTMRR, there is no harm in portraying it as if it is." This is a discussion board and discussion is good.

I'll offer my first-time reaction here: I have never been on the ride in question and I watched the ad for the FIRST TIME right here in this thread. Based on what I SAW IN THE AD, I would say that the new ride is as fast and very similar in thrills to Big Thunder.
(And apparently the Dwarf ride is not what is portrayed)

 

[jade1]

At a minimum it should be like M Space-one line goes through in it's current wimpy form, and the other line's cars detour into a RNR type experience before returning to the finish-but just my opinion.

And yes DA should therefore have orange/green sides so that they could have the cars either go slow as it is-or detour off into another cavern similar to the RNR layout accelerating into twists and turns LIKE THE TEASER SHOWS.

As "real" as they probably wanted to make Gringotts, Orlando has about a 48"-72" water table level, so plummeting thousands of feet below the surface would probably be a stretch, even for Universal Creative.

They made a ride that is exciting for a larger group of people (not to be confused by the group that can't fit in the Mine Train).

You do realize RNR means Rockin Rollercoaster correct? Currently in existence in Orlando.

And they could have made it "exciting" for all groups (orange/green).

 

[jade1]

yet even then the Mine Train turned out to be a bigger faster coaster-at least that's what I'm hearing and hoping that is not at all true-which I still find very hard to believe.

Kinda disappointed this "tossed grenade" hasn't been challenged.

Is the actual "rollercoaster" component of DA actually less intense than the Mine Ride?

Not saying the overall experience of DA doesn't crush the Mine Ride, I can see it looks amazing. But have read conflicting reports on the coaster component itself.

Really hoping to hear from more eyewitnesses that have experienced both to clarify. Still refuse to believe it at this point.