5th Park coming

[Mrs. Bob Loblaw]

I find myself coming to this board and lurking frequently, because I love to read about rumors. And yet I also find myself shocked at how mean people on this board can be.

Yes, I've heard similar rumors to this one that have turned out not to be true. Who cares? The nice thing about a message board with different threads is you only need to click on the ones that interest you.

We all have a love of Disney here. I wish we could all behave in a more Disney manner. It seems like some of you need to watch Bambi again and listen to Thumper's wise words.

There is a difference between politely disagreeing with someone and what I see here. It's sad how people feel they have to be sarcastic and condescending when they disagree.

 

[Pirate princess 2]

I find myself coming to this board and lurking frequently, because I love to read about rumors. And yet I also find myself shocked at how mean people on this board can be.

Yes, I've heard similar rumors to this one that have turned out not to be true. Who cares? The nice thing about a message board with different threads is you only need to click on the ones that interest you.

We all have a love of Disney here. I wish we could all behave in a more Disney manner. It seems like some of you need to watch Bambi again and listen to Thumper's wise words.

There is a difference between politely disagreeing with someone and what I see here. It's sad how people feel they have to be sarcastic and condescending when they disagree.

I completly agree with you. Since it has been stated many times that Disney reads these boards, wouldn't it be nice to actually discuss what we as Disney fans would like to see in a fifth park instead of bashing someone who brings the news or rumor up.

I would love to see a fifth park. I'm sure they have ideas floating around somewhere. I also know that it is many years out if it going to happen, but I like the idea of heroes and villains. So many fun things they could create for older kids and adults at a park with this theme.

 

[Robbi]

If Disney was 100% stating they were building a new park, I couldn't get excited. They really need to do something with the parks they have now. Yes, I know the MK has the new Fantasyland -yippee. It's pretty but also pretty dull although Gaston is easy on the eyes.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

I completly agree with you. Since it has been stated many times that Disney reads these boards, wouldn't it be nice to actually discuss what we as Disney fans would like to see in a fifth park instead of bashing someone who brings the news or rumor up.

I would love to see a fifth park. I'm sure they have ideas floating around somewhere. I also know that it is many years out if it going to happen, but I like the idea of heroes and villains. So many fun things they could create for older kids and adults at a park with this theme.

There have indeed been ideas floated around, for years now......I years ago I had a good friend who was a original imaginer, Dave Genganback, He has a window on Main ST in the MK......As he put it there were all kinds of themes, etc........now if there are a finished set of plans ready to break ground with, I don't know, in fact I doubt it....

Some of the themes considered back then, beyond the MGM, was the AK which was built and there was talk of a Epcot more like Walt envisioned, a Disney's America which never got beyond the Virginia horse and civil war parks people, but it was considered for WDW, a space park, Sea world style, a western theme, circus world etc. I love the idea of the villain's and hero's park!

One thing that was also discussed was that new parks do not have to all be the size of the present 4 parks. With that type of flexibility..............the skies the limit!

As to money, never believe Disney announcements about no capital expenditures, somehow major projects keep coming along.

The best business plans would always keep the other parks guessing.

As they build more and more resort rooms and the parks keep filling up more and more, they will need the 5th park. People will put up with the crowds just so long and you can enlarge the present parks just so much because you would need to raise the gate price to the point is reached where people can't get enough out of the park in one day. A well designed and themed 5th park would easily pay for it self in revenue's and solve the problem of individual parks becoming to big.

So Pirate Princess, not give up the ship!.........there are people on the boards willing to look ahead and have a little of the vision that Walt tried to show us we had.


AKK

 

[DizCaptain]

Wow. I'm shocked at some of the responses too. Very hostile. Isn't this thread for Disney RUMORS and news?

The facts are most here when a subject comes up they don't agree with enjoy mocking, abusing and being snarky and then grin about it!

I find is especially rude to say that they are in charge and have the right to demand this subject not be posted!

None of you have any proof there won't be a 5th.....its your opinions as well, even if YOU present your OPINIONS as fact!


If you don't like the opinion and subject.....don't enter the thread!

AKK

No one here demanded the subject not be posted. And you're falling into fallacy with your proof disproof mindset, which gets conversations nowhere. If someone is going to post a rumor here, I'd at least like them to have something to say other than a one sentence statement saying "5th park, source = imagineer, sister".

Also, none of us here have said we are in charge either.

And now who's acting in charge? Telling us we aren't supposed to enter threads we don't like? Tisk tisk...

The thread is rumors and news, it could be either. But does it matter? Ya gotta pick it apart? Seriously?

As I said, I expected backlash. But what I got was pathetic.

But as Beer Dave said, I did have a few supporters that I will now thank. Thanks for being in the Disney Spirit. If I get any more tidbits that you want to hear, I'll message you individually if you want. Let me know.

Just tell me... what is your sister's position/location at AK? And why does this whole thing have to turn into a "supporters" deal? Stating the backlash you got as pathetic is rude on your end. You brought a big idea to the table that's grown stale and fail to present any other information on the park, or your sources, other than "5th park, source = imagineer, sister".

Can everyone be more kind on the discussion boards. As far as cruelty goes, I don't think Disboards is anywhere near as mean as WDWMagic. We should all still be more considerate of others. Like someone said, this is the rumors thread and rumors are suppose to be fun. There are a couple of reasons why this rumor may have some truth. First, the whole Iger legacy thing. I'm almost positive a 3rd park for DLR and a 5th park for WDW will be announced before he steps down. These parks have been discussed on film related sites as well as discussion boards. The 3rd DLR park seems to be talked about the most. Most of the rumors are similar to what the poster wrote - Star Wars and Indiana Jones. The theme for the 3rd DLR park is allegedly Heroes and Adventure. So, it doesn't seem that far-fetched that they would want to clone as much as possible and maybe incorporate some of the Villain park ideas to make it more unique.

They're just recovering the 2 parks they have over at DLR now. A third park would cripple everything. Iger's legacy is his record profits, and that's true. He has done very well maximizing profits for the company. He doesn't need super projects to form a legacy.

I find myself coming to this board and lurking frequently, because I love to read about rumors. And yet I also find myself shocked at how mean people on this board can be.

I completly agree with you. Since it has been stated many times that Disney reads these boards, wouldn't it be nice to actually discuss what we as Disney fans would like to see in a fifth park instead of bashing someone who brings the news or rumor up.

If Disney was 100% stating they were building a new park, I couldn't get excited. They really need to do something with the parks they have now. Yes, I know the MK has the new Fantasyland -yippee.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

No one here demanded the subject not be posted.

Please read back one poster said that their should be a filter to stop these threads.

And now who's acting in charge? Telling us we aren't supposed to enter threads we don't like? Tisk tisk..



Again I did not said that. I said if there not happy with the thread, if they need to respond by being rude and snarky, that is not acceptable on the diz in their rules, therefore they don't have to enter.




They're just recovering the 2 parks they have over at DLR now. A third park would cripple everything. Iger's legacy is his record profits, and that's true. He has done very well maximizing profits for the company. He doesn't need super projects to form a legacy.

As to Iger, he maxed profits and lost the whole point of WDW..........luckily they have returned the building to the imaginers and Iger will be gone in 2 years max. Please do a little online reading, he's already looking to move on....his statements.
AKK

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

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.If someone is going to post a rumor here, I'd at least like them to have something to say other than a one sentence statement saying "5th park, source = imagineer, sister".

And why shouldn't they do just that? its their right and as long as they are polite......It's not a problem, Who said you were in charge and can tell somehow how they must present there post?


AKK

 

[DizCaptain]

As to Iger, he maxed profits and lost the whole point of WDW..........luckily they have returned the building to the imaginers and Iger will be gone in 2 years max. Please do a little online reading, he's already looking to move on....his statements.
AKK

Oh I don't like Iger hardly at all. I was just stating he's made his mark. I read quite often, thank you, and his moving on has been in check, I was merely replying to someone's claim of his legacy.

And why shouldn't they do just that? its their right and as long as they are polite......It's not a problem, Who said you were in charge and can tell somehow how they must present there post?


AKK

No one said I was in charge. I'm not. But I'm allowed to have preferences. And there's this thing called netiquette, for learning proper web behavior. Also, people should support their claims, where if you present something as fact (which has been done), you typically should support your claim with a reliable source and information.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Oh I don't like Iger hardly at all. I was just stating he's made his mark. I read quite often, thank you, and his moving on has been in check, I was merely replying to someone's claim of his legacy.



No one said I was in charge. I'm not. But I'm allowed to have preferences. And there's this thing called netiquette, for learning proper web behavior. Also, people should support their claims, where if you present something as fact (which has been done), you typically should support your claim with a reliable source and information.

OK. fair enough, we mostly agree,

However whether another poster has a link, are name or other back up to his statement or opinion, he does not deserve to be bullied and attacked, which he most certainty was.

AKK

 

[makeitmagic39]

Disney says they will do a lot of things. If this is true, then heck yes! Villains are my absolute favorite, and they are not in the parks nearly enough! I would take this over some stupid Avatar land any day!

If it isn't true, oh well. There are plenty of things that aren't true about a lot of things in the world. It doesn't mean we can't get our hopes up for an idea that is totally awesome!!

 

[Horace Horsecollar]

If someone posts a rumor on a discussion board, he or she should expect discussion.

If someone uses the word "confirmed" to describe a somebody-told-somebody-who-told-somebody-who-told-somebody rumor (even if one or more of those somebodies get paychecks from Disney in some capacity), then he or she should expect comments about whether it really qualifies as being called confirmed.

If someone posts that a fifth WDW park is coming -- when similar rumors have been posted, seemingly every few months, since before Animal Kingdom opened (and have never panned out) -- then he or she should expect responses pointing out that this latest rumor is just as unlikely to be true.

I'm all in favor of civil discussion. A few responses here have mocked the OP to some degree, and that wasn't necessary. At least there were no vicious attacks on the OP, only attacks on what he or she posted. (There's a big difference.)

I have no doubt that WDI has developed numerous concepts for a fifth park. And I have no doubt that MBAs at Disney with Excel spreadsheets have studied the financial viability of the more promising concepts.

Personally, I think a fifth park in the next ten years is very unlikely. I don't see Iger, Staggs, and Rasulo (or their successors) signing off on a few billion dollars for a new park and the huge increase in WDW overhead and operating expenses that operating such a park would involve. There's far more benefit to be gained from giving DHS a Disney California Adventure-scale makeover.

I could be wrong. I've been wrong about things before. But, in this case, I really think I'm not wrong.

 

[BillyBuckner]

This doesn't seem very likely.

 

[snowweisz]

It's so baffling to me how some people get such pleasure from being bullies on the internet. All without leaving your computer at home.


Now, I find the idea of a heroes themed park pretty sensible. Disney has made investments lately (Marvel and Star Wars mostly) that would be smart to capitalize. Avengers made such insane money in box office and merchandise that it makes sense for them to want to milk that up a little more. And then there's Star Wars, whose fans are so devoted and intense that they even made the prequels into box office hits.

It's not that out of the box, tbh.

 

[ChrisnKim913]

If someone posts a rumor on a discussion board, he or she should expect discussion.

If someone uses the word "confirmed" to describe a somebody-told-somebody-who-told-somebody-who-told-somebody rumor (even if one or more of those somebodies get paychecks from Disney in some capacity), then he or she should expect comments about whether it really qualifies as being called confirmed.

If someone posts that a fifth WDW park is coming -- when similar rumors have been posted, seemingly every few months, since before Animal Kingdom opened (and have never panned out) -- then he or she should expect responses pointing out that this latest rumor is just as unlikely to be true.

I'm all in favor of civil discussion. A few responses here have mocked the OP to some degree, and that wasn't necessary. At least there were no vicious attacks on the OP, only attacks on what he or she posted. (There's a big difference.)

I have no doubt that WDI has developed numerous concepts for a fifth park. And I have no doubt that MBAs at Disney with Excel spreadsheets have studied the financial viability of the more promising concepts.

Personally, I think a fifth park in the next ten years is very unlikely. I don't see Iger, Staggs, and Rasulo (or their successors) signing off on a few billion dollars for a new park and the huge increase in WDW overhead and operating expenses that operating such a park would involve. There's far more benefit to be gained from giving DHS a Disney California Adventure-scale makeover.

I could be wrong. I've been wrong about things before. But, in this case, I really think I'm not wrong.

Well said. To the OP, In no means was I attacking you personally. I am questioning the information and calling something 'confirmed'. That is all. I hope to high heavens you are right, but I just am not going to hold my breath.

 

[sachilles]

Lets come back around and salvage the discussion.

Rumor at face value. Imagineers have planned for a villains area. It may or may not be a 5th gate/park.

Economics aside. Where on property would you put this area, if you had your way and control of the check book?

Economics aside......might a villains area be the ticket to add to AK instead of Avatar? It's generic enough that it could fit, and could bring more night time life to that park.
Most assume Star Wars themed area is a fore gone conclusion. Might it make sense to combine Avatar with that eventual expansion? Sci fi with sci fi.

Other things that strike as causing conflict is really hashing out a new park idea, when Avatarland is supposedly imminent. Wouldn't the folks dedicated to making that happen be the same ones developing the villains idea? Seems to over strain those efforts.

I can see a fit for a smaller area like a DTD, basically a minor gate, that can be opened seasonally or higher traffic times.

Rumors in other threads about this same topic, included that the villain themed area was to be a dark/gloomy copy of the MK where the bad guys had taken over.
I guess I don't doubt there are folks on disney payroll discussing the concept. However, there is no telling how far it will get developed.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

If someone posts a rumor on a discussion board, he or she should expect discussion.

If someone uses the word "confirmed" to describe a somebody-told-somebody-who-told-somebody-who-told-somebody rumor (even if one or more of those somebodies get paychecks from Disney in some capacity), then he or she should expect comments about whether it really qualifies as being called confirmed.

If someone posts that a fifth WDW park is coming -- when similar rumors have been posted, seemingly every few months, since before Animal Kingdom opened (and have never panned out) -- then he or she should expect responses pointing out that this latest rumor is just as unlikely to be true.

I'm all in favor of civil discussion. A few responses here have mocked the OP to some degree, and that wasn't necessary. At least there were no vicious attacks on the OP, only attacks on what he or she posted. (There's a big difference.)




I totally agree that debate should be expected.....civilly..........but the bullying was indeed a attack and mocking rudely.

not to mention no one has the right to say the threads should be filtered to fit their own opinion of what should be discussed.

As to the fifth park..........10 years to opening is a good possibility. Not to mention a small themed park with a gate could happen, maybe even sooner.

AKK

 

[JoShan1719]

Wow. I'm shocked at some of the responses too. Very hostile. Isn't this thread for Disney RUMORS and news?

Maybe if it wasn't the same exact rumor we've been hearing for X amount of years it would be a little more fun to speculate about.

And, as a pp mentioned, calling something "confirmed" because someone said so does not make it confirmed. I don't care if you heard it directly from an imagineer, that's not "confirmed."

Personally, I don't think a 5th park makes sense. I feel like 4 theme parks is already tiring during one vacation, not to mention the two water parks and numerous other activities to do on property. A 5th park would be too much. But, that's just my opinion.

I think the reason this thread got a little on the snarky side is because when the OP was hit with "that's not proof" he fired back with "Fine, don't believe me, you all suck." I am, of course, paraphrasing quite a bit here, but when you're argument is "someone told me so" you're going to have people question you.

 

[Tonka's Skipper]

Maybe if it wasn't the same exact rumor we've been hearing for X amount of years it would be a little more fun to speculate about.

And, as a pp mentioned, calling something "confirmed" because someone said so does not make it confirmed. I don't care if you heard it directly from an imagineer, that's not "confirmed."

Personally, I don't think a 5th park makes sense. I feel like 4 theme parks is already tiring during one vacation, not to mention the two water parks and numerous other activities to do on property. A 5th park would be too much. But, that's just my opinion.

I think the reason this thread got a little on the snarky side is because when the OP was hit with "that's not proof" he fired back with "Fine, don't believe me, you all suck." I am, of course, paraphrasing quite a bit here, but when you're argument is "someone told me so" you're going to have people question you.

How does * sucked the live out of it for me*, paraphrase into *you all suck*


Two totally different statements with totally different meanings. Unless of course you were trying to promote a view of view that the OP was being extremely rude, which the term*you sucked the life out of it* in no way does!

AKK

 

[Jacksonev1]

You know, it amazes me how we can blast our fellow human beings for posting something like this. Honestly, I hope the original poster gets the last laugh. If he/she feels like they have legit info., take the time to post it here and share it with others out of excitement for the possibility, lets at least have some common decency to be kind.

I know rumors get started here, and whether this is a rumor or comes true, doesnt matter, my point, whats the harm. No one deserves the ridicule dished out here, and this isnt an isolated case, and a few of you are regulars at it. Have you noticed the original poster hasnt returned, he/she is fairly new to the boards, I wouldnt return either with this kind of reception. Search your hearts deep, put yourself in their shoes, and see how it feels. Hurts a little, if you are truthful with yourself.

Now blast away, cause I got thick skin!!

Agreed!!

 

[anthony2k7]

Lets remember that disney parks isnt just WDW. Following on from the statement about reducing capital expenditure, they've already got the following fairly high cost projects either in progress or highly likely in the next 5 years:

Finishing off fantasyland
Avatarland
Shanghai Disneyland
Disney Springs
Additional cruise ships
Something going on at DHS

Plus some other smaller projects at the American and international parks such as hotel expansion/DVC etc.

So if capital spend is supposed to be reduced, then I cant see a 5th park, or anything else coming to WDW other than the above in the next 5 years at least.

After all that, then maybe, just maybe, it will be time to start breaking ground on the 5th WDW park. Although priorities may well have changed again by then... However if there is any increase in villains merch, or over staffing and recruitment going on currently it definitely has nothing to do with a 5th park.