2014 Point Charts

[drusba]

The 2014 point charts for the DVC resorts are now up on the member site. Only change I have found is Aulani where they raised points needed for standard GV and lowered then for oceanview GV.

 

[Pennyguy23]

Thanks

 

[CarolMN]

Thanks for sharing the results of your "look-see".

I was not expecting any changes (other than the usual ones for Thanksgiving and Easter), but I know some were predicting another re-allocation. So glad they were wrong.

 

[floribr1]

The 2014 point charts for the DVC resorts are now up on the member site.

Thanks for letting us know!

Only change I have found is Aulani where they raised points needed for standard GV and lowered then for oceanview GV.

Actually - looks like the opposite. In the 2013 points chart, an ocean view GV in Premier season was 184 points/night vs. 140 points/night for a standard view, but in 2014 it is 188 points ocean and 138 standard. Same story in all of the seasons.

I wonder what is the reason for this change...

 

[lulubelle]

Thanks Drusba!
I've been waiting to see them.

 

[drusba]

Actually - looks like the opposite. In the 2013 points chart, an ocean view GV in Premier season was 184 points/night vs. 140 points/night for a standard view, but in 2014 it is 188 points ocean and 138 standard. Same story in all of the seasons.

I wonder what is the reason for this change...

Yes, I had the change reversed. Often one can figure out a reason for a change but the one made, mostly only a point or two a night either way on GVs, seems pointless.

 

[erionm]

Apparently, a Standard View GV was removed from inventory and will be turned in to a cafe. This is what was posted on the forums over at DVCNews.com.

 

[wdrl]

Yes, I had the change reversed. Often one can figure out a reason for a change but the one made, mostly only a point or two a night either way on GVs, seems pointless.

The Standard View Grand Villa (#101) on the first floor of the Waianae Building is being converted to a cafe.

Given that one residential Unit is being removed from the Aulani condo association, I expected that DVC would have to tweak the Aulani point chart. However, if the only change being made at Aulani for 2014 was the removal of one Standard View Grand Villa, then I would have expected the point changes for Ocean View Grand Villas to go down, not up.

Therefore, I suspect DVC is making other changes effective in 2014. Most likely, DVC is reclassifying one or two Ocean View Grand Villas to Standard View. GV #201 and #301 are currently classified as Ocean View GVs. Once the new Kids' Splash Zone becomes operational it may block the ocean views for those two GVs, resulting in them being downgraded to Standard View.

Given the relatively few number of point changes on Aulani's chart, its highly unlikely that DVC is reclassifying any of the Ocean View Vacation Homes that are on the outer side of the Waianae Building that face the Marriott Resort. There are currently 28 Ocean View Vacation Homes on that side. Downgrading even a few of them from Ocean View to Island View would require a much more significant readjustment in Aulani's point chart.

 

[Deb & Bill]

...Given that one residential Unit is being removed from the Aulani condo association, I expected that DVC would have to tweak the Aulani point chart. However, if the only change being made at Aulani for 2014 was the removal of one Standard View Grand Villa, then I would have expected the point changes for Ocean View Grand Villas to go down, not up. ....

Why do you say that? Same number of points will be sold, one less GV to use them on so the points have to be higher. The points that represent that GV have to be distributed somewhere.

 

[wdrl]

Only change I have found is Aulani where they raised points needed for standard GV and lowered then for oceanview GV.

Another significant change in Aulani's 2014 point chart is that the number of days in the Magic Season in increasing at the expense of the Choice Season. In 2014, Magic Season is increasing from 95 to 109 days; Choice Season is decreasing from 134 to 120 days.

I'm still trying to figure out how this change in season length impacts the mix of Vacation Homes by view category. It can't be a point-neutral change, so something must be changing is the view classifications. Perhaps DVC is adjusting the Waianae Building villas that face the Marriott?

 

[wdrl]

Why do you say that? Same number of points will be sold, one less GV to use them on so the points have to be higher. The points that represent that GV have to be distributed somewhere.

Each Aulani Unit containing a Grand Villa is allotted 46,343 points, regardless of its view category. However, the Standard View Grand Villas are rented out for fewer points than the Ocean View Grand Villas. When a lower producing Unit is taken out of the equation, the remaining higher producing Units (the Ocean Views) don't have to absorb as many points. Thus, the remaining Units can be rented out at a cheaper rate.

Since the higher producing Ocean View Units are going up in price, I suspect DVC is reclassifying one or two higher producing Ocean View GVs to lower producing Standard View GVs. The remaining OVs have to work harder to make up for the fact that there are more lower producing Units in the equation.

Make sense?

EDITED to ADD: By changing Aulani's Unit 01A from a residential Unit containing a Grand Villa to a Commercial Unit,, DVD is taking 46,343 points out of Aulani's condominium association. As originally conceived, Aulani was going to have 199 residential Units containing 11,518,422 points. Now, it will have 198 Units containing 11,472,079 points.

 

[drusba]

Another significant change in Aulani's 2014 point chart is that the number of days in the Magic Season in increasing at the expense of the Choice Season. In 2014, Magic Season is increasing from 95 to 109 days; Choice Season is decreasing from 134 to 120 days.
?

Not sure that is a real change. It looks like it may just be the adjustments usually attached to when Easter falls, March 31 in 2013 and April 20 in 2014.

 

[wdrl]

Not sure that is a real change. It looks like it may just be the adjustments usually attached to when Easter falls, March 31 in 2013 and April 20 in 2014.

I beg to differ. All of the other DVC resorts' made the same seasonal adjustments for Easter and Thanksgiving. However, the other resorts did not see adjustments in the number of days in the individual seasons. For example, in 2013, SSR had 69 days, 72, and 129 days in its Choice, Dream, and Magic seasons, respectively. In 2014, SSR still has the exact same number of days in each of its seasons.

In my opinion, Aulani's switch of 14 days from one season to the another cannot be attributed to routine Easter/Thanksgiving Holiday adjustment. There must be other factors coming into play at Aulani in 2014.

 

[drusba]

I beg to differ. All of the other DVC resorts' made the same seasonal adjustments for Easter and Thanksgiving. However, the other resorts did not see adjustments in the number of days in the individual seasons. For example, in 2013, SSR had 69 days, 72, and 129 days in its Choice, Dream, and Magic seasons, respectively. In 2014, SSR still has the exact same number of days in each of its seasons.

In my opinion, Aulani's switch of 14 days from one season to the another cannot be attributed to routine Easter/Thanksgiving Holiday adjustment. There must be other factors coming into play at Aulani in 2014.

Though I have yet to figure out the math, I went and looked at 2011 through 2014 and what I am seeing is that Aulani does not follow the same date patterns as the other resorts. For example: the premier Christmas season has a different start date every year because it appears to always start the Friday before Christmas; it also has a different end date by always ending on a Saturday;the number of days in Oct that are in adventure season change every year, Easter premier time runs from the Friday that is 9 days before Easter to the Saturday after and time before that period is always Magic Season and time immediately after is choice meaning the dates for choice season in April can vary significantly because of the date changes for Easter.

 

[wdrl]

. . . what I am seeing is that Aulani does not follow the same date patterns as the other resorts.

Although Aulani's date patterns and seasons are different from other DVC resorts, it could make the Easter/Thanksgiving annual adjustment without shifting 14 days from Choice season to Magic season.

The key point is that a 14-day shift is far from point-neutral. There are 189 Ocean View two-bedroom villas at Aulani. Each of these villas cost 63 more points per week in the Magic Season season compared to the Choice season. This means that Aulani's 2014 point chart will require 23,814 more points to rent out just the OV villas than in 2013. Combined with the other view categories, it will take 39,718 more points to rent out the Aulani villas than in 2013.

However, this change can be point-neutral if DVC has moved some villas from a higher view category to a lower view category effective in 2014.

 

[Dean]

Why do you say that? Same number of points will be sold, one less GV to use them on so the points have to be higher. The points that represent that GV have to be distributed somewhere.

It likely has to do with the need to balance the points for the resort based on the change in question and not a move directed at a planned reallocation.

As for the loss, I'm assuming that either DVD had not sold any interests in that particularly unit or they negotiated with any affected members to change their deed to another unit at no charge.

 

[wdrl]

As for the loss, I'm assuming that either DVD had not sold any interests in that particularly unit or they negotiated with any affected members to change their deed to another unit at no charge.

As far as I can tell, Unit 01A, which contained the Grand Villa that is being converted to a cafe, has not yet been declared for the DVC inventory. If it has not been declared, then no points could be sold from that unit.

 

[Dean]

As far as I can tell, Unit 01A, which contained the Grand Villa that is being converted to a cafe, has not yet been declared for the DVC inventory. If it has not been declared, then no points could be sold from that unit.

Correct, if not declared, no points sold. However, they could have accounted for those points in the charts balance and if so, that could still be the explanation for the reallocation.