2011 Point Charts - Any guesses when??

[hakepb]

Why would DVD go to all of the trouble re-allocating points last year to turn around and do it again a year later? Makes no sense. Whatever changes are being speculated, well they couldn't have included these last year?

DVC can only legally adjust points a certain % different (I think 10 or 15%) from the previous year. So there were, say, some Studio seasons they could only adjust from 8 to 9 points. If they really wanted to adjust to 10 points, they need to do 2 annual changes...

 

[tjkraz]

Why would DVD go to all of the trouble re-allocating points last year to turn around and do it again a year later? Makes no sense. Whatever changes are being speculated, well they couldn't have included these last year?

Because there is a cap on how much the points can change from year-to-year. Without member approval DVC could not raise any given day by more than 10%. (At least I think it's 10%--might be 20% but I'm too lazy to go look right now, Hope.)

Some of last year's adjustments were the maximum permitted. You could look at that as an indication that additional adjustments were warranted but not permissible in a single year.

Somehow I doubt MS is that dimwitted. Raising point requirements for existing stays while raising price per point in a jobless market is financial suicide. They're already giving people APs to buy AKV and GCV while cutting the pay for their greeters. Sales are hurting.

In theory, for every person who loses someone else will win. If they raise December costs and lower May costs, it's simply a matter of some paying more while others pay less. It's really no different than the system we have now where April stays cost more than January. It's all supposed to be based upon sound principles of supply and demand.

As for sales "hurting", I don't see the AP incentive as confirming that. On a 160 point purchase, the 8 AP vouchers are valued at roughly $18-19 per point. And DVC is certainly paying less than that amount to Parks and Resorts for the AP vouchers.

The alternative cash discount is $15 per point. I doubt the AP incentive is costing DVC much more to offer than the $15 cash discount.

On a 100-pt add on the 4 AP vouchers have a value of $15-16 per point. $15 is the cash discount offered so really there's no difference.

It's still a great offer for folks who can use the vouchers. But it's not like DVC just slashed prices by thousands of dollars.

 

[logan115]

I really want my VB points adjusted again then. Last adjustment took me right out of ever getting a beach cottage for 5 days. And another thing. What ever they do, I'm not buying anymore points!

I'm really looking forward to this post in the future :

BWV Dreamin posts "Just submitted for ROFR, 50 pts SSR (June), $75/pt, all 2009 and going forward, buyer pays 2009, selling pays closing."

 

[BWV Dreamin]

I'm really looking forward to this post in the future :

BWV Dreamin posts "Just submitted for ROFR, 50 pts SSR (June), $75/pt, all 2009 and going forward, buyer pays 2009, selling pays closing."

Ha! I know what your saying but I really mean it this time!

 

[zulaya]

I'm not buying any more either.

My guess is January 29, afternoon. It's a Friday. They probably hope any angst that might come of whatever they are doing will have worked its way out of our systems before 9am on Monday so they don't have any many calls.

 

[BWV Dreamin]

Hey Tim .. well this may give DVC a chance to fix some of the room catagories at BLT.

Because there is a cap on how much the points can change from year-to-year. Without member approval DVC could not raise any given day by more than 10%. (At least I think it's 10%--might be 20% but I'm too lazy to go look right now, Hope.)

Some of last year's adjustments were the maximum permitted. You could look at that as an indication that additional adjustments were warranted but not permissible in a single year.



In theory, for every person who loses someone else will win. If they raise December costs and lower May costs, it's simply a matter of some paying more while others pay less. It's really no different than the system we have now where April stays cost more than January. It's all supposed to be based upon sound principles of supply and demand.

As for sales "hurting", I don't see the AP incentive as confirming that. On a 160 point purchase, the 8 AP vouchers are valued at roughly $18-19 per point. And DVC is certainly paying less than that amount to Parks and Resorts for the AP vouchers.

The alternative cash discount is $15 per point. I doubt the AP incentive is costing DVC much more to offer than the $15 cash discount.

On a 100-pt add on the 4 AP vouchers have a value of $15-16 per point. $15 is the cash discount offered so really there's no difference.

It's still a great offer for folks who can use the vouchers. But it's not like DVC just slashed prices by thousands of dollars.

 

[RobDoc]

Because there is a cap on how much the points can change from year-to-year. Without member approval DVC could not raise any given day by more than 10%. (At least I think it's 10%--might be 20% but I'm too lazy to go look right now, Hope.) ...

I'm pretty sure the max without a member vote is 15%. Regardless, if there is another reallocation for 2011 I would suspect the reason is that they couldn't reallocate to the desired levels in just one year. Keep in mind that further reallocation will also need to raise some night and lower others. I agree with Tim that early December, late August, summer months and even October may all be on the block for change.

I'm not buying that it has anything to do with Ko Olina. I can't believe they don't already know what the point charts will look like for that resort and , just like BLT and GCV, they can simply do another reallocation in 2012 for that resort - just like they reallocated both BLT and GVC even though neither one had even opened yet. The charts for those resorts for 2009 are both invalid as of 2010, why not pull the same stunt at Ko Olina.

IMO, there is no excuse for members not already knowing the 2011 point charts as we had for the first 17 years of DVC.

Stay tuned for the further enhancements we've all asked for!

 

[lisareniff]

Because there is a cap on how much the points can change from year-to-year. Without member approval DVC could not raise any given day by more than 10%. (At least I think it's 10%--might be 20% but I'm too lazy to go look right now, Hope.)

That would be 20%. My Sun-Friday Beach Cottage went up the max percentage 20% (from 300pts to 360pts). I guess it was too sweet a deal to last, I'm just hoping it doesn't get reallocated again.

 

[Sammie]

Have to agree with TJ, I think there will be additional realignment in certain months.

And I do agree that it will be a last minute announcement. They seem to prefer to try and do damage contol after the fact than try to deal with the heat before the change.

 

[bobbiwoz]

That would be 20%. My Sun-Friday Beach Cottage went up the max percentage 20% (from 300pts to 360pts). I guess it was too sweet a deal to last, I'm just hoping it doesn't get reallocated again.

That's the one that really hurt me! We've a 4 night stay in 2010, I hope it's not the last.

Bobbi

 

[dianeschlicht]

Because there is a cap on how much the points can change from year-to-year. Without member approval DVC could not raise any given day by more than 10%. (At least I think it's 10%--might be 20% but I'm too lazy to go look right now, Hope.)

Some of last year's adjustments were the maximum permitted. You could look at that as an indication that additional adjustments were warranted but not permissible in a single year.



In theory, for every person who loses someone else will win. If they raise December costs and lower May costs, it's simply a matter of some paying more while others pay less. It's really no different than the system we have now where April stays cost more than January. It's all supposed to be based upon sound principles of supply and demand.

As for sales "hurting", I don't see the AP incentive as confirming that. On a 160 point purchase, the 8 AP vouchers are valued at roughly $18-19 per point. And DVC is certainly paying less than that amount to Parks and Resorts for the AP vouchers.

The alternative cash discount is $15 per point. I doubt the AP incentive is costing DVC much more to offer than the $15 cash discount.

On a 100-pt add on the 4 AP vouchers have a value of $15-16 per point. $15 is the cash discount offered so really there's no difference.

It's still a great offer for folks who can use the vouchers. But it's not like DVC just slashed prices by thousands of dollars.

Tim, I agree, and I think there is method to their maddness about offering the APs too. They get folks hooked on how convenient the APs are and how it forces them to travel more than once a year, thus insuring more park activity in the near future.

As for the point changes...The only reason so many folks like to go early December now is that the points have always been low, and the lure of the holiday decor is great. I feel if they mess with those points too much, they will hurt park attendance in the long run, and I don't see that happening. Now I DO think they might make studios cost more points all across the board while taking down points on GVs and 2 bedrooms on some nights. That makes sense to balance out the request for all room sizes.

 

[dianeschlicht]

I just wanted to add that I still don't see why they would mess with the points again until after they see how the new allocation works next year. It doesn't really make any sense to me for them to do that.

 

[hakepb]

I just wanted to add that I still don't see why they would mess with the points again until after they see how the new allocation works next year. It doesn't really make any sense to me for them to do that.

I certainly agree that waiting would seem to make the most sense.

However, if in 2008, they decided that some units or seasons needed a total change greater than 20%, the easiest/quickest way for them to reach that "goal" would be another, immediate re-allocation. (In that case, they really do not care what the 2010 results were, they would only be interested in 2011)

 

[Anal Annie]

Maybe it won't be TOOOO long now...they already published points for the 2011 cruises. THAT used to be in a lag beyond when booking opened for the ships. Back in 2007 they opened booking for the cruises and there were no point charts yet. So at least when booking opened for the Magic & Wonder in Sept. & again this week for the Dream people were able to make an informed decision about booking with points.

As far as another reallocation - count me in as pissed off if they mess with the charts again so soon. Rather than be forced to buy more points we will cut trips. I will not play their little game.

 

[dis-happy]

Well, I for one am putting on my pixie dust colored glasses and living as if there won't be another re-allocation so soon.

Besides, isn't there some cosmic law that says the 2010 re-allocation thread has to die first???

 

[dianeschlicht]

Maybe it won't be TOOOO long now...they already published points for the 2011 cruises. THAT used to be in a lag beyond when booking opened for the ships. Back in 2007 they opened booking for the cruises and there were no point charts yet. So at least when booking opened for the Magic & Wonder in Sept. & again this week for the Dream people were able to make an informed decision about booking with points.

As far as another reallocation - count me in as pissed off if they mess with the charts again so soon. Rather than be forced to buy more points we will cut trips. I will not play their little game.

Well, for starters, the points used for cruises have nothing to do with reallocation of DVC resort points. That is an exchange, and those are always renegotiated annually, so it's not the same thing at all.

As for your last paragraph....that would be cutting off your nose to spite your face. I figure the reallocation is done for a reason that probably in the long run benefits the members as a whole. In other words...reallocation evens out the seasonal demand for certain unit sizes....thus making the units more fully utilized. If there were units sitting empty on weekends because people percieved them as being too many points, then lowering that size unit for the weekend makes perfect sense.

 

[Goofy DVC]

Remember if Disney re-allocates points again the golden rule is:
It is easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.
Disney will do it at the 23rd hour and deal with complaints rather ask members for feedback or have a member vote.

 

[dianeschlicht]

Remember if Disney re-allocates points again the golden rule is:
It is easier to ask for forgiveness than to ask for permission.
Disney will do it at the 23rd hour and deal with complaints rather ask members for feedback or have a member vote.

And really, that's as it should be. We don't have enough information as owners to know why another reallocation might be necessary. We can speculate, but we don't have real knowledge.

 

[Deb & Bill]

Wouldn't it be nice if DVC just sent out e-mails every so often telling us "Thanks for being a great member. Things do change every once in a while and this is to inform you about..... This change goes into effect on XX/XX/XX. "

Disney, the company that used to offer courses to everyone else in the world in How to Treat Your Customer.

 

[BroganMc]

In theory, for every person who loses someone else will win. If they raise December costs and lower May costs, it's simply a matter of some paying more while others pay less. It's really no different than the system we have now where April stays cost more than January. It's all supposed to be based upon sound principles of supply and demand.

It may balance the system as a whole though I never could figure out how it balanced the SSR chart and MS couldn't explain it either... every calculation showed MORE points allocated to the resort after the reallocation rather than a balancing.

Rebalancing them again in such a way is sure to kill future sales in an already leery buyer's market. As of now, DVC is stuck with 4 resorts that haven't sold to expectation: BLT (supposed to be sold out within a year, now going on year 2), SSR (sold amazingly well for years, now stalled out with THV additions), AKV, GCV (another supposed to sell quickly but not).

Of course, I'm still waiting for DVC execs to realize we're in the middle of a recession with taxpayers facing down the possibility of more lost jobs and increased taxes. I think they consume too much pixie dust.