***2009-2010*** cheer parent thread!!

What makes a team "open"? (Our first year, too.)

It's age. Our youngest cheerleader is 7, our oldest is 18. From my understanding 7 is the youngest allowed and 18 is the oldest allowed. Most girls fall in the 12-15 age group but we have it all. They all get along very well, too. The older girls treat the little ones like baby sisters. They're sweet.
 
We've got a friend who cheers on a special needs team for Legacy. Our paths haven't crossed yet but I'm hoping to be able to see her team perform at some point before the season is over.

We saw Cheer Athletics' special needs team over the weekend...what a crowd pleaser!

If I can tread on some perhaps sensitive territory here: Our gym is the only gym in the area that competes with covered midriffs and I'm definitely in favor of everyone's tummies being covered. But we do have the short skirts.

All the special needs teams I've seen so far have not only had covered midriffs (again, I like that) but also, the girls' skirts have been down to their knees. Do the parents request that? My feelings about that are so mixed...in one way, the whole short tight cheer uniform does sort of sexualize our young women...so we certainly don't want to sexualize young special needs women. BUT, I don't like the idea of them looking all dowdy either. What is your opinion?

Not sensitive at all, at least not with me or anybody on our team :goodvibes

I think it depends on the gym and what they are trying to focus on.

Special Needs as a division is growing so quickly that it is hard keeping up. It was just recently that some companies are scoring the division while some still have it as exhibition. As it evolves into a more competitive division, the uniforms are starting to catch up.

Also, some gyms have their teams as a true competitive team (Kentucky Elite comes to mind) while others treat it more as an exhibition team. So, many gyms try to keep the costs at minimum or even free to the participants. This means lower cost uniforms or leftovers from years before. It is the $400.00 competitive uniform vs. the $85.00 catalog stock uniform.

Also, body type plays a role in look of the uniform. Last year, we had the old-fashioned pleated skirt, jumper top with the shell underneath. This was done for body type and to keep costs down for the team. The skirts were tailored to be about 3 fingers below the butt. However, kids like my daughter who has Down syndrome have very low tone and consequently have tummies that stick out. Since the skirts were elastic, this meant that they did not stay at the waist and rode down towards the hips, making them look really school marm long. The skirts were technically short like most competitive skirts, but due to body type and the elastic band, they rode lower and made them look awfully long. It was thought that the heavier material and the layered tops were more flattering to the bodies of many of the special needs cheerleaders. However, this has proven not to be true. It just made the team look dated and as you said, dowdy (perfect description by the way).

As I said, as the division evolves, everybody is learning and the uniforms are starting to evolve too.

Our gym typically replaces uniforms every so often. This is the last year of this cycle for the regular teams. Our gym owners and our parents (our parents especially) really wanted to get the special needs team out of the more dated uniforms and into ones that were more current and more representative of the gym as a whole. However, we didn't want to spend the $400.00 for a one year uniform. So, we got one year interim uniforms, the same ones that our pre-teams wear to competitions. We have the buttoned, tailored waist now so the skirts should stay put, giving a better look.

Next year, when the whole gym replaces their uniforms, the special needs team will be in the same competitive uniform as the rest of the gym. I can say without a doubt that the parents on our team were pushing quite hard for our kids to look like all the other teams. Some of our kids also told the coaches that they felt self-conscious going to competitions where they looked different than the other teams from the gym. They wanted to be treated the same, complete with all the glitz, short skirts, and spankies.

Our older kids (regular competitive teams) wear the crop tops, while the younger kids wear the full tops. However, our special needs team will be in the full tops. Way too much low tone for the crop-tops :scared1:

There is a picture on our facebook fan page (don't need a facebook account to see the page) of the new uniforms. If you look closely, you can see how short they really are - no where near the knees. They are tailored exactly to the same length as our other competitive teams.

So, to make this long novel short, I think that there are many factors in the types of uniforms seen on the special needs teams:

cost effectiveness, body type, exhibition or competitive, and just the fact that the division is growing faster than anybody can keep up.

I would surmise that as the division matures and becomes a more permanent division, the uniforms will start to trend more towards the competitive look also. I can't speak for every gym, but from my experience, it never crossed any of our parents minds to keep the skirts long due to any modesty issues. It was just basic finances in the beginning - ordering stock skirts without any modifications. In fact, the parents were just the opposite, pushing for the kids to be more like the competitive teams. Now our skirts are ordered, immediately pinned to just below the butt and sent off for custom tailoring.
 
Hi All,
Back from last year . . . representing the East Coast as well (Mid-Atlantic Region), but I'm a former Jersey Girl! LOL! Just noticed the thread and decided to drop by. Love reading about all of the girls. Have a great season - can't believe how quickly it is going by!
 
It's age. Our youngest cheerleader is 7, our oldest is 18. From my understanding 7 is the youngest allowed and 18 is the oldest allowed. Most girls fall in the 12-15 age group but we have it all. They all get along very well, too. The older girls treat the little ones like baby sisters. They're sweet.


I thought I had figured out that it was based on age. But then last weekend, a group competed as "Senior Open." What would that mean?
 

Some of our kids also told the coaches that they felt self-conscious going to competitions where they looked different than the other teams from the gym. They wanted to be treated the same, complete with all the glitz, short skirts, and spankies.

Thanks for the response, Goofy! That is what I was thinking - perhaps the little girls that I saw didn't realize that they looked different, but I'm sure that the high school aged girls did.

The gyms I saw had their special needs girls in a different style of skirt, too. The other girls wore the very narrow short skirt and the sp needs girls were in a longer a-line. But you're right, it may have been the only thing that worked with certain body types.

Edited to add: Of course, it wouldn't be a bad thing if ALL of the teams covered up a bit more. I really don't think we need to see anyone's butt cheeks hanging out.
 
I too, love reading the responses!

Also goofy! I completely agree! While we have only seen one team with special needs it was an exhibition and it was done to We Will Rock You .. the WHOLE entire place was doing the (stomp, stomp, clap, clap) .. very motivating and honestly made me tear up!

We have one All Star team in our town .. so it's building .. but would LOVE for the girls to help with a team, teaches them so much!

That exhibition was the highlight of our weekend, on so many levels!

Can't wait to read more .. and our next comp is Feb. 7th in Tacoma .. will anyone be there on our lil West Coast? lol ..

I feel like a loner here .. but that's how West Coasters always feel .. lol

 
Yep! Yep! Yep!

And I don't consider myself a prude .. but on this topic .. I guess I am! lol





Thanks for the response, Goofy! That is what I was thinking - perhaps the little girls that I saw didn't realize that they looked different, but I'm sure that the high school aged girls did.

The gyms I saw had their special needs girls in a different style of skirt, too. The other girls wore the very narrow short skirt and the sp needs girls were in a longer a-line. But you're right, it may have been the only thing that worked with certain body types.

Edited to add: Of course, it wouldn't be a bad thing if ALL of the teams covered up a bit more. I really don't think we need to see anyone's butt cheeks hanging out.
 
And further to the topic of butt cheeks...our team's bloomers are like "boy shorts"...lots of other teams have bloomers that look like bikini underwear....so it's NOT like seeing their underwear if it's purple and sparkly, even though their cheeks hang out?
 
I thought I had figured out that it was based on age. But then last weekend, a group competed as "Senior Open." What would that mean?

Senior Open is what my daughter's team is. They have girls ranging in age from 7 to 18, on the same team. I guess there are junior teams and senior teams, but "open" means wide variety of ages. I think, lol. I'm new to this.
 
Senior Open is what my daughter's team is. They have girls ranging in age from 7 to 18, on the same team. I guess there are junior teams and senior teams, but "open" means wide variety of ages. I think, lol. I'm new to this.



Yes, Open is a division that only appears in the Sr Open 5 division this year. In years past there were open teams in levels 1-4 but they did away with them this year and allowed the younger aged kids back onto sr teams again. The exception is the Sr Open 5 division. This division was created as a "starter" level 5 division to give smaller gyms the ability to grow their level 5 programs. Children are allowed to be 18 years and younger and the highest tumbling skill that can be performed is a "full" doubles are not allowed in this division and it is not a "worlds" division.

There is no true size to the teams other than 5-36 members with up to 4 males allowed on the team. Depending on the competition however the division can be broken up into "large" and "small" or "co-ed" and "all girl". All is at the discretion of the competition company. It's a very popular division for a 1st year division and I've seen some great teams come out of it. Hope this helps. The open division is one of the most confusing out there. :goodvibes
 
Hi, My middle DD thinks she wants to do cheer next year. (As a 3rd grader)

Background, I have 3 girls, and time and money is not infinate. Each of them, starting in Kindergarten, I let them pick out one extra-curricular for the school year. Being that there is 3 of them, and all 3 do girl scouts as well, we do not have the time/money for more than one class a week per girl.

Kinder, dh was out of work, so no classes.

1st grade she tried Ballet... Liked it but is a peppy, jumpy, spunky kid... ballet a little "slow for her taste.

2nd grade she is taking Gymnastics. It's a good fit for her & her personality. Granted she is in the beginner class, but doing well.

So now she wants to take Cheer in 3rd grade. As you can see, not years and years of experience. And as I said before, we can't add additional tumbling classes, etc... beyond a one night a week class. I want her to have fun, and it needs to last the school year (for example, we have teams that cheer pee wee football in the fall, but not a year round thing)

What "type" of class should I look for? Or has she already missed the boat at age 8. She would have a cow if she were in a class of 5 year olds for example.

Btw... I was a cheerleader in HS... Class of '94! But the whole school had less than 100 students. Great memories, but nothing like today's cheer teams!
 
If your D really gets into cheer, it will be expensive..classes a couple of times a week, plus a mandatory tumbling class, plus an extra class if she's a flyer. Expensive custom uniforms. The competitions themselves cost $10-$20 per person per day admission and you often have to pay $10 or so to park.
 
My dd has her first cheer competition this weekend. She is very excited!

Our cheer team here is not run by a gym. I only pay $50 a month for 2 classes a week which includes tumbling, and then 10 for a competition. The uniforms are between 150-200. Our group also does some individual fundraising and you can use your profits for your expenses. I don't do the fundraising , but it is a great option. I live in a smaller town, we don't have a big gym, only dance schools and the Ymca.

I think your daughter would really like cheer. Mine is also a 3rd grader, and had been taking gymnastics but she seems to be doing more with cheer. The gymnastics was not doing enough and the coaches for her class were some college students that I did not care for.
 
Us too! I am jealous of all these fine gyms I see here!

We have the only (small) All Star team in town! lol .. but it still has done a world of good for my daughter, so I'm happy!



My dd has her first cheer competition this weekend. She is very excited!

Our cheer team here is not run by a gym. I only pay $50 a month for 2 classes a week which includes tumbling, and then 10 for a competition. The uniforms are between 150-200. Our group also does some individual fundraising and you can use your profits for your expenses. I don't do the fundraising , but it is a great option. I live in a smaller town, we don't have a big gym, only dance schools and the Ymca.

I think your daughter would really like cheer. Mine is also a 3rd grader, and had been taking gymnastics but she seems to be doing more with cheer. The gymnastics was not doing enough and the coaches for her class were some college students that I did not care for.
 
Us too! I am jealous of all these fine gyms I see here!

We have the only (small) All Star team in town! lol .. but it still has done a world of good for my daughter, so I'm happy!

We are a small gym, too. One advantage I see being from a small gym is you and your child are not just a number. We parents have formed very close bonds with each other and with the coaches (who are the owners). We are treated as if we are part of the team, not bothersome, in-the-way parents. The kids are all incredibly close, too. Our team has heart, and tons of it. Heart matters. I love our gym and our team. :love: My daughter has blossomed since she started going there a year ago. I couldn't be happier.
 
I want to add that we are from an area with many large, very state of the art gyms and cheer programs that produce amazing cheerleaders but we choose to stay in the smaller gym for all the reasons I stated above. Winning every single competition isn't the only thing that matters. I love our small gym!
 
Were any of you at Maryland State Championship today in Baltimore, MD?

Unique All Stars, our team had a lot of problems. I guess the computers messed up. Gave our youth level1 first place, a little later gave first place to the original sixth place team, then gave first place back to our team.:confused3
 
Were any of you at Maryland State Championship today in Baltimore, MD?

Unique All Stars, our team had a lot of problems. I guess the computers messed up. Gave our youth level1 first place, a little later gave first place to the original sixth place team, then gave first place back to our team.:confused3

We were! DD's college was the only university represented today, so they competed against a score only. And still came in second! :lmao:

Unfortunately, her team does not practice on springboard floors (so aren't used to them) and early in the routine one of the girls landed wrong after a jump and collapsed, absolutely could not walk, even to get off the mat. Another girl helped her off and eventually she was taken away in an ambulance. They think she tore her MCL (side of her knee). Made for an incomplete performance but I am so proud of the girls, they didn't let it stop them even though they were unable to do a large part of their routine with the missing girl. But they continued on without missing a beat, wonderful example of grace under pressure!

Thinking about it later, I wish they had stopped the music and allowed them to regroup and start over. They might have been able to quickly make some adjustments that would have worked. But oh well. At least they will have time to rework it before the Nationals in April!

Sorry to hear you had computer glitches though!
 
So did the judges pick a score they thought your squad should beat?

Since they came in second to a score did they at least give them the jackets?
 
D's team was all ready to perform Saturday when a girl on the preceding team didn't leave the mat. Instead she threw up. This must be fairly common, because the staff was all ready with the shop vac, etc. They even went along with the music, playing "Take This Job and Shove It" and the Barney "Clean Up" song. Kind of funny but I guess that poor girl has now had her "life's most embarrassing moment."
 


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