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Jobless rate bolts to 14-year high of 6.5 percent

AP – In this Oct. 30, 2008 file photo, people line up to speak to Valerie Campbell, left, a representative … WASHINGTON – The nation's unemployment rate bolted to a 14-year high of 6.5 percent in October as another 240,000 jobs were cut, far worse than economists expected and stark proof the economy is deteriorating at an alarmingly rapid pace.

The new snapshot, released Friday by the Labor Department, showed the crucial jobs market quickly eroding. The jobless rate zoomed to 6.5 percent in October from 6.1 percent in September, matching the rate in March 1994.

Unemployment has now surpassed the high seen after the last recession in 2001. The jobless rate peaked at 6.3 percent in June 2003.

October's decline marked the 10th straight month of payroll reductions, and government revisions showed that job losses in August and September turned out to be much deeper. Employers cut 127,000 positions in August, compared with 73,000 previously reported. A whopping 284,000 jobs were axed in September, compared with the 159,000 jobs first reported.

So far this year, a staggering 1.2 million jobs have disappeared. Over half of the decrease occurred in the past three months alone.

Although the unemployment report was worse than expected, and Ford Motor Co. reported dismal third-quarter results and announced plans to cut more than 2,000 additional white-collar jobs, Wall Street investors appeared to take it all in stride. The Dow Jones industrial average was up more than 190 points in morning trading.

About 10.1 million people were unemployed in October, an increase of 2.8 million over the past year. A year ago, the unemployment rate stood at 4.8 percent.

President Bush said the dismal employment figures reflect "the difficult challenges confronting the economy" and urged the country to have patience, saying a flurry of unprecedented government measures — including a $700 billion financial bailout package — will take time to work.

"I understand that Americans deeply concerned about the challenges facing our economy, but our economy has overcome great challenges before, and we can be confident that it will do so again," Bush said.

The employment market is much weaker than economists expected. They were forecasting the unemployment rate to climb to 6.3 percent in October and for payrolls to fall by around 200,000.

"The U.S. recession is deepening," said Michael Gregory, economist at BMO Capital Markets Economics. The final quarter of this year is getting off to a "particularly ugly" start, he said.

Job losses were widespread, reflecting the mounting carnage from a trio of crises — housing, credit and financial.

Factories cut 90,000 jobs, the most since July 2003. Construction companies got rid of 49,000 jobs with heavy losses in home building. Retailers cut payrolls by 38,000. Professional and business services reduced employment by 45,000. Financial activities cut 24,000 jobs, with heavy losses in mortgage banking and at securities firms. Leisure and hospitality axed 16,000 positions.

All those losses more than swamped some gains elsewhere, including in the government, as well as in education and health care.

Racing to assemble his new Democratic Cabinet, President-elect Barack Obama will huddle with economic advisers later on Friday. His team has been in close contact with the Bush administration to pave the way for a smooth hand-off of power.

All the economy's woes — a housing collapse, mounting foreclosures, hard-to-get credit and financial market upheaval — will confront Obama when he assumes office early next year. And, the employment situation is likely to get worse.

Many expect the jobless rate to climb to 8 percent, possibly higher, next year. In the 1980-1982 recession, the unemployment rate rose as high as 10.8 percent before inching down.

The grim numbers spurred calls from Democrats on Capitol Hill to provide fresh relief. House Speaker Nancy Pelosi said Democrats, in a lame-duck session later this month, will push to enact another round of economic stimulus of around $100 billion, possibly including provisions to create jobs through big public works projects.

White House press secretary Dana Perino appeared to suggest that additional action may not be needed.

"Today's employment numbers are a stark reminder of how critical it is we keep focused on utilizing the tools we now have to return our country to the strong job creation we had in recent years," Perino said. "We know what the main problems are tight credit and housing markets and we have the tools to solve them."

Workers with jobs saw only modest wages gains. Average hourly earnings rose to $18.21 in October, a 0.2 percent increase from the previous month. Over the past year, wages have grown 3.5 percent, but paychecks aren't stretching that far because high food, energy and other prices has propelled overall inflation at a faster pace.

To prevent the country from sinking into a deep and painful recession, the Federal Reserve last week ratcheted down interest rates to 1 percent and left the door open to further reductions.

The economy has lost its footing in just a few months. It contracted at a 0.3 percent pace in the July-September quarter, signaling the onset of a likely recession. It was the worst showing since 2001 recession, and reflected a massive pullback by consumers.

As U.S. consumers watch jobs disappear, they'll probably retrench even further, spelling more trouble for the sinking economy.

That's why analysts predict the economy is still shrinking in the current October-December quarter and will contract further in the first quarter of next year. All that more than fulfills a classic definition of a recession: two straight quarters of contracting economic activity.

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Associated Press Writer Jennifer Loven contributed to this report.
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10.1 MILLION people unemployed!!!!! :eek:

If the only way to turn this around is for people to "spend", I think it will be a long time coming before those 10.1 million people have any money to spend on "extras".. :sad2:
 
Lets see...

Highest unemployment in 14 years
October retail sales down bigtime from last year.
GM and Ford posting HUGE losses
Circuit City closing 150 stores
Foreclosures still mounting.
Home Prices still falling.
I could go on.


But I still see some genius posting that the stock market fell yesterday cuz Obama won the election.
 
No, CAnn, not according to all the naysayers on the DIS. :rolleyes: There's no recession here! Everything's fine!

:rolleyes1
 
No, CAnn, not according to all the naysayers on the DIS. :rolleyes: There's no recession here! Everything's fine!

:rolleyes1
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And don't forget those who do so well at "predictions"..;)

All kidding aside though, it's time that people realized that if by chance it hasn't hit their little corner of the country yet, it very well may be closing in on them and they should prepare the best that they can.. :(
 

We've been feeling it here in Detroit for 6 years. Michigan's unemployment rate is almost 9%.

It's not a good situation at all. :(
 
The powers-that-be at my husband's work just started laying off people in anticipation of hard times--300 people. Some of the people were ones he knew. It's sad, and I am hearing about this everywhere I go standing in line listening to people talk to each other or talking on their cell phones. I really feel for them because it could be my husband next. I think, though, we will do the best we can and find ways to serve those around us and, hopefully, our little girl can learn about helping others through difficult times.
 
Our company announced yesterday a 10% staff reduction and it is happening as we speak. I'm dodging this one but will be really busy as I'm going to have to pick up the duties of two employees being dismissed :sad2: !

Good to know our execs still got their quarterly bonuses a couple weeks ago!
 
We've been feeling it here in Detroit for 6 years. Michigan's unemployment rate is almost 9%.

It's not a good situation at all. :(

Michigan also has one of the highest tax rates in the country too. Coincidence? I think not.
 
No, CAnn, not according to all the naysayers on the DIS. :rolleyes: There's no recession here! Everything's fine!

:rolleyes1

ONLY SPENDING WILL GET US OUT OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

so quit with the negative waves!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mikeeee
 
Detroit made their own bed and now they are sleeping in it. For years they have blocked attempts to make more fuel efficient cars and instead hitched their wagon to giant gas guzzling SUVs and trucks because they made huge profits off of them. Did they try to make those giant vehicles more fuel efficient? No, not really. Now they are begging the government to bail them out when if they had been less greedy in the recent past with a better eye to the future they wouldn't need any bailing out at all.

And I work in an industry closely tied to the automotive and people in my company might lose jobs because of their greed and narrow-minded focus on profit today without regard for the future. Shame on them. They were just as bad or worse than Fannie Mae or AGI or anyone else.
 
I just looked out my window and the sky was falling.

Not really. I had the best sales week of 2008 this week, October was my best month of the year to date. It took over an hour to do a normal 25 minute drive due to traffic today. People are out, people are spending. Some big ticket items are starting to be hit around here, but the hammers are still being pounded on the new homes out my back door as I type this. If anything, business and traffic have increased around here in the past month.
 
Some have been saying that things are going to get worse before they get better.

I don't really think people are spending money. Especially in New Jersey, sooo many stores are just going out of business. I see homes that were having work done - now they just sit there b/c the families can't afford to pay it.

Yes gas has gone down which is great, but I believe its supply and demand. There have been alot of people getting laid off ( I am now one of them as of today ) I really thought that I was safe, but I was not.

Many had said that they couldn't understand why we were "going into" a recession. No we have been it in NOW its getting worse. That Depression that people are talking about could be here sooner than we think.

Which is why Obama is trying to get started now, instead of waiting. We can't wait. We have to act now.
 
I just looked out my window and the sky was falling.

Not really. I had the best sales week of 2008 this week, October was my best month of the year to date. It took over an hour to do a normal 25 minute drive due to traffic today. People are out, people are spending. Some big ticket items are starting to be hit around here, but the hammers are still being pounded on the new homes out my back door as I type this. If anything, business and traffic have increased around here in the past month.

As in Georgetown, Kentucky? Home of the Toyota Plant? I am about an hour and 1/2-2 hrs. from you.:wave2:
That said- your area is not typical of most of Kentucky. Perhaps a quick drive to Lexington, Frankfort, E-Town over to Louisville. Make sure you get off of I-64, I-65 & I-71...those little signs that you see in front of most people's houses are not campaign signs. They are "for sale" signs. Yes, in some cases you will be seeing entire subdivisions full of those signs. Some only have a few people living in the houses. The subdivisions have been that way for a while. Now we know where the people went.:cool1: (Was starting to wonder. But no aliens. They just moved to Georgetown.:thumbsup2 )

Obviously, you have also not been watching the Lexington or Louisville news or you would know about Dana Torque closing. Or the other Ford, GM, and Toyota contract companies that are saying that lay-off's may be a probabilty.

Between that and the huge debt our state is in-things are far from hunky dorey in Kentucky. Could be worse, though.:flower3:
 
As in Georgetown, Kentucky? Home of the Toyota Plant? I am about an hour and 1/2-2 hrs. from you.:wave2:
That said- your area is not typical of most of Kentucky. Perhaps a quick drive to Lexington, Frankfort, E-Town over to Louisville. Make sure you get off of I-64, I-65 & I-71...those little signs that you see in front of most people's houses are not campaign signs. They are "for sale" signs. Yes, in some cases you will be seeing entire subdivisions full of those signs. Some only have a few people living in the houses. The subdivisions have been that way for a while. Now we know where the people went.:cool1: (Was starting to wonder. But no aliens. They just moved to Georgetown.:thumbsup2 )

Obviously, you have also not been watching the Lexington or Louisville news or you would know about Dana Torque closing. Or the other Ford, GM, and Toyota contract companies that are saying that lay-off's may be a probabilty.

Between that and the huge debt our state is in-things are far from hunky dorey in Kentucky. Could be worse, though.:flower3:

Dana did a big layoff in E'town this summer ... but, Ft. Knox is experiencing major growth:
http://www.wave3.com/global/story.asp?s=9275736

stores & restaurants also remain quite busy in E'town. Chick-Fil-A was packed today at lunch, and there was a lot of traffic out as well.
 
Yep, the jobless rate sucks. The last time it was this high (I looked at yearly averages, and the 6.5 is a monthy figure) was in the Clinton Era. Honestly, unemployment rates like so much else with our economy tends to follow a general trend. We are at the end of lower jobless rate trend. The next decade will probably see annual unemployment rates over 6% and then we'll get a couple years of wishy washyness and then decade or so of under 5%.

Here's the link so you can see what I mean.
http://www.bls.gov/cps/prev_yrs.htm

Trends, never tried and true, but informative non the less.

Here in Reno, we are seeing stores closing, homes foreclosing and more people looking to charities for holiday assistance. Our dollars are not going as far as they used to. So, I went out and found a flexible part time job to fill the gaps. More and more area stay at home moms are doing just that, and we're getting hired despite the fact that we have been out of the workforce for a decade or more. These unemployment numbers do not take that into account. SAHM were never included in he unemployment numbers.

Are people losing their jobs, absolutely, but there are jobs to be had out there. And I think people that weren't in the work force are now rejoining, taking available jobs and leading to slightly higher joblessness rates.
 
ONLY SPENDING WILL GET US OUT OF IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

so quit with the negative waves!!!!!!!!!!!!

Mikeeee
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I'm a little curious by this remark.. Where would those 10.1 million people who are now unemployed get this money to spend? :confused3

What about the elderly people who are living on fixed incomes? Should they go ahead and spend what little they have and "hope" that it turns the economy around? What happens to them if it doesn't?

If you are very financially secure - employed - have great health insurance - and have plenty of extra money to spend, then by all means, do so.. But to make a "blanket" statement like that doesn't make an awful lot of sense when there are some people who simply don't "have" the extra money to spend.. For those people it's not "negative thinking" - it's being financially responsible - so they don't end up on the government assistance programs that most people who post here rant and rave about..
 
I wonder how much worse it's going to get before it starts getting better. I'm afraid we're far from the bottom.
 
One thing to remember is that 93.5% of Americans have jobs, which is not too far from the average employment rate of the last 50 years. Not too long ago 6.5% unemployment was good. We have been spoiled by a great economy for the past several years, now that things have slowed it seems really bad. We just got used to the 5% unemployment, record stock prices, and spending freely. Now things have changed.

My area has many job openings, but family supporting jobs are less in number. Careerbuilder and Monster have hundreds of thousands of jobs nationwide posted right now, I had to move to get a job in the strong economy of 2003. Others now will need to do the same to survive.

Why not send the illegals back and give the American citizens that need the work those jobs now?
 
Lets see...

Highest unemployment in 14 years
October retail sales down bigtime from last year.
GM and Ford posting HUGE losses
Circuit City closing 150 stores
Foreclosures still mounting.
Home Prices still falling.
I could go on.


But I still see some genius posting that the stock market fell yesterday cuz Obama won the election.

You really can't make this stuff up. :lmao:

Obama hasn't even been sworn in, but the stock market tanking is his fault. :rotfl2:
 
DHL in Wilminghton will be laying 8000 workers off soon. DH company was bought out by Staples in the Netherlands. This is soooo scary.:scared1:
 


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