***1st Week of December Thread ADR Plans, Park Hours, and dealing with Pop Warner***

oh haha.

My repeats from last trip are:
Tusker House (doing breakfast instead of lunch though we went at "brunch" time and had both)
CA Grill
Sci Fi Dine in
Ohana breakfast
Crystal Palace (did dinner last time, breakfast this time)
Kona Cafe (breakfast instead of dinner)

I think we are repeating everything. My kid is very attached to his favorites. that's why I had to triple the number I'm going to ;)
Nice! At least some is different meals! :) I have some of those- OHana (dinner instead of breakfast), California Grill (brunch instead of dinner), tusker house (dinner instead of breakfast). :)
 
Completely agree with this... :D I keep thinking that it mostly is for theming and the atmosphere you're eating in. Food may be great but may also not be the best you've ever had. :)
Also there are so many things that effect your perception at disney that might not at a restaurant at home including:
1) heat
2) exhaustion
3) the fact that you are eating restaurant food for a week straight. does anyone else find that you get tired of eating out and can't wait for a plain salad at home by the end?
4) it is harder to gauge/plan for your hunger level due to the above factors as well as having to plan so far in advance
5) you may have to wait for a table at peak times even with ADR (this sets a bad tone for some people)

even if it is IS the best thing you ever ate, outside factors can really bring the experience down. For the most part it is tasty, plentiful (maybe too much lol) and satisfying with decent to excellent service. My only "bad" meal was at Kona Cafe dinner. It was our last dinner of the week and I ordered sushi and chicken wings appetizer. I found the sushi was more like preprepped supermarket sushi than made to order and compared to CA Grill a few nights before it did not hold a candle. The chicken wings were cold and pink near the bone. I actually talked to a manager about it and also had him take the sushi off because after biting into the chicken and discovering that the hard way I really didn't want any of it. They did. But I do think part of my bleh experience is that it was end of the trip and I was tired of eating out, lol (we did fewer TS but tons of QS so it's the same thing as far as your palate goes imo). Also I could have left a scathing review of Kona Cafe but I do not believe for a minute that serving raw chicken is a "thing" they do... it was just an off day and the manager took care of it. Kiddo loved it and was begging to go back and we compromised on Ohana for dinner and Kona for breakfast on our departure day.
 
I also posted this on the restaurant board this morning. it is long but I think it is a good perspective when dealing with mixed reviews on places, or the notion that everything is going downhill at disney. I will just c&p it here. But I was thinking about it and I really do think this is the reason.

Honestly I think that if you are going to WDW frequently, it kind of loses it's luster a bit. Places like this site tend to attract people who are frequent disney visitors. Any treat, had over and over and over again, begins to feel like less of a treat. Also the more you go, the more chances you have for places to have an off night.

I noticed this when I was going 3-4 times a year year after year and then due to personal circumstances took a break for 5 years - my next trip was probably the most fantastic ever and the dining was great - not at all "downhill" from years past imo... but then it was a real treat and it had been so long since I'd been to any of my old favorites... everything was fun and nostalgic and I just had a great time.

People have been saying that Disney is going downhill for as long as I have been going. "This" is worse than it used to be. "That" was SOO much better in 19xx. If you have never been or haven't been in a while chances are good you will have a great time and the restaurants will be great if your expectations are set properly. The buffets are not vegas quality buffets where they have incredibly rich and expensive foods and they are so huge that turnover is so quick that everything is virtually cooked to order. But I have always found most of the food on the buffets to be hot, fresh, tasty and filling with the occasional end of a tray being out too long and would avoid it until replenished. Most of the buffets I go to are for the character experiences, which have always been at least good, with my kiddo glad to get hugs and signatures without having to wait in line... some much better than others but all head and shoulders above having a whiny hot child standing in a slow moving line for a character.

I mean no it is not 5 star dining in some major metro area with a famous chef (Except for maybe V&A) but as an overall experience, the food is really good. If you are used to inexpensive restaurants and live in a low cost of living area, the prices may be shocking... but realize you are paying for location and and immersive experience as much as food quality. In many places a $40 meal would entail something like lobster or filet or maybe both but that is a bit below the average price of a standard character buffet dinner and you won't find either of those things on the buffet - any meal featuring those things will be significantly higher. People from major metro areas will have less sticker shock.

The theming and entertainment in many restaurants is amazing and immersive, and service is usually really good too. There has, over time, been a bit of homogenization of menus across the property (which you will see if you read all of the menus) but again unless you are a frequent visitor or staying for 3 weeks and eating everywhere, that probably won't effect you. There is plenty of variety to keep someone in at least 2 weeks of daily restaurants without feeling like you are repeating yourself in menu or theme. I have two a day planned for a week and there are still things I am not getting to.

The other caveat is that if you live in a place with amazing local cuisine and Disney does their version of it, I would avoid it. It will invariably be a disappointment. I live in New England and compared to the lobster rolls I get here, the thing at columbia harbor house looks like cat food on a hot dog bun... but some people love it and find it quite tasty. If you're from a place that has stellar bbq you may not find the bbq at WDW to be anything special. I am breaking my own rule and trying Sanaa on my next trip even though I have had excellent indian food and even make it myself so YMMV on that as well. We'll see :) Chances are if you live in an area with an amazing Ethiopian restaurant you will find the african themed places at WDW to be kind of meh. you get the idea. People call this "dumbing down" and are highly critical of it but honestly I don't have a problem with Disney making the food appealing to more tastes - as long as it is still tasty, I'm good even if it's not 100% authentic.

Everyone has a truly off night and sometimes you get to a restaurant when it is having one, but after being a DVC member since 1999 and a member of these boards since 2000 I will say that the grumbling has been going on for well over a decade and if the quality has been dropping as much as people have said over the years, they'd be serving dog food by now. Believe me, it was never THAT much higher than it is was on my last trip. Maybe a bit more variety and a bit more innovation but not so much that it is not worth dining there now.

I think you really made some great points! Having never been to Disney, I was almost afraid of some places after reading reviews before my first trip. I looked up pictures and figured I would just need to try some places and form my own opinions. My family and I enjoyed every meal we were at! Some more than others, but what adult wouldn't like the quality of something from a signature restaurant over a character buffet? We knew going in character meals are about character experiences. It is all relative. As you mentioned about the lobster roll, I am from the New York metropolitan area and avoided Italian cuisine and things like bagels because I knew they would not live up to my expectation. Everything else was fantastic!

I really love how you mentioned an off day at Disney is better than a day you have to work and come home and cook! I told myself even if it rained the entire time, and I had to stay and relax at my resort and enjoy it's amenities with my family, it would be better than a regular day of work, eat, sleep, repeat!
 

I think you really made some great points! Having never been to Disney, I was almost afraid of some places after reading reviews before my first trip. I looked up pictures and figured I would just need to try some places and form my own opinions. My family and I enjoyed every meal we were at! Some more than others, but what adult wouldn't like the quality of something from a signature restaurant over a character buffet? We knew going in character meals are about character experiences. It is all relative. As you mentioned about the lobster roll, I am from the New York metropolitan area and avoided Italian cuisine and things like bagels because I knew they would not live up to my expectation. Everything else was fantastic!

I really love how you mentioned an off day at Disney is better than a day you have to work and come home and cook! I told myself even if it rained the entire time, and I had to stay and relax at my resort and enjoy it's amenities with my family, it would be better than a regular day of work, eat, sleep, repeat!
Honestly an optimistic perspective is the best thing you can do to guarantee a good time. Be easy going. Roll with the punches if there are any. Realize it is VACATION and how blessed we are to be on vacation with the people we love the most. I asked my son recently what he was most looking forward to about our trip and he said "spending time with you!" don't get me wrong. the kid LOVES Disney. In fact he does not understand why anyone would ever vacation anywhere else and it is a very rough transition for him back to reality he loves it so much. But that said even for a spoiled little american boy (as so many of them are) he gets what the point of vacation is. Disney is SO expensive it raises the stakes on all of it and if everything is not just so, it's easy to get into a snit.

I feel like I am in the sweet spot right now with enough familiarity to really get how to plan and change on the fly but it's been 2 years since I've gone and 5 years before that that it's still new, fresh and exciting for me.

I am also born and raised in Brooklyn. I am wary of ethnic foods outside of NYC but have found some decent stuff here (not the best I've ever had). I honestly won't even go to via napoli because wood fired pizza is so ubiquitous now and while it's good, it's not "disney" enough for me. I have carefully selected my restaurants for as much disney bang for the buck as possible. The only thing I was kind of unsure of was La Hacienda but the kiddo wanted it and it fits nicely into our flow and I do love me a good margarita (would have had to fit it in elsewhere or just gone into la cava with 8 year old in tow otherwise) but really, if it's tasty and hot and fresh I'm good.

I live in a tourist area now (martha's vineyard) and we are in the thick of it right now. I went to one of our winter (open year round) favorites last week and it was awful. We got there early so there was no wait but it was clear they were trying to turn the table as quickly as possible (people were stacking up behind us). We ordered and the food arrived 3 minutes later, no joke. Kid had chicken tenders ($8 for tenders with chips, fries is another $2, beverage is another $3. seriously. disney kids meal including drink and dessert is a huge bargain to me!) and I had buttermilk fried chicken breast with mashed potatoes and vegetables. The sides were ok (they do make the chips there) but all of the chicken (his and mine) was soggy. It was clearly made ahead of time and microwaved but both of those are things that don't hold up well. Then they kept trying to take my son's plate while he was eating his chips. Like he had a chip halfway to his mouth and a plate full of more chips and they are removing the plate out from under him. We hadn't even been there 20 minutes at one point. I should have sent it all back but this place usually ends up worse if you send stuff back. I asked for more peanuts (you get complimentary peanuts in the shell), more water and we settled in and played pokemon and he finished his chips and we ate peanuts for another half hour just out of spite, and then I complained to the manager (who was just a seasonal kid so I am sure it went on deaf ears). All told we were still out of there in under an hour. Sad thing is it is one of the best places on the island open year round so I'm sure we'll be back, just not in summer. But I am pretty easy going and pretty easy to please. It is not that I don't have a refined palate and am not as picky as others, I just try to set my expectations reasonably for where I am going. It's a theme park. Expectations set :) everything is salty and fatty and yummy and I need to walk 10 miles a day :)
 
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Has anyone been to Captain's Grille for lunch? I'm debating now between having a breakfast at Cape May, early lunch (11am) for 50s Prime time or early lunch at Captain's Grille (around 11:30). I'm also wondering if it's worth it coming out of the park for a lunch break..

I'm now seriously thinking about subscribing to touring plans... :crazy:
I would not trade 50's PT for Captain's Grille. 50's PT is one of those quintessential themed WDW restaurants. Captain's Grill is standard lower tier deluxe resort restaurant fare, fine but not something I'd make extra effort for when you have a coveted 50's pt adr
 
Nice! At least some is different meals! :) I have some of those- OHana (dinner instead of breakfast), California Grill (brunch instead of dinner), tusker house (dinner instead of breakfast). :)
well my last trip was to be "once in a lifetime" until I realized it really was ok for me to save up and take the kid more than once. So I did the ones I thought he'd like the most and the CA Grill was for me (my favorite sig but I like to go right when they open and it is daylight or daylight into sunset). Kid wanted characters the most and he loves stitch, I love tigger, TH has food that appealed to me the most and sci fi just seemed up his alley. I ended up adding CP on the fly because the character meals were such a huge hit and by then the thought of another harrowing QS experience had me worn down, lol. gosh those really stress me out without a second adult! Now we're going all out because next time we go the kid will be a disney adult and a lot more to feed. Hopefully by then he can help out at QS though.
 
Okay, talk to me about 50's Primetime. I think the food sounds delicious, but no one in my family wants to go because they're afraid of being forced to eat green beans or being sent to the corner or whatever. I don't mind antics and can even find them fun, but I don't like being treated like a child. If I don't care for what is on my plate, I won't finish it. Is there a way for us to enjoy this restaurant or would it be better to just go elsewhere? For instance, we're planning on going to Whispering Canyon and I expect we'll enjoy it quite a bit.
 
Okay, talk to me about 50's Primetime. I think the food sounds delicious, but no one in my family wants to go because they're afraid of being forced to eat green beans or being sent to the corner or whatever. I don't mind antics and can even find them fun, but I don't like being treated like a child. If I don't care for what is on my plate, I won't finish it. Is there a way for us to enjoy this restaurant or would it be better to just go elsewhere? For instance, we're planning on going to Whispering Canyon and I expect we'll enjoy it quite a bit.


Lol I was worried about the same thing hence was looking into captain's grille! But @Lisa F is right, it's one of the best known themed restaurant on WDW. :) I'm still not sure but there's not much choices in DHS... Lol
 
Okay, talk to me about 50's Primetime. I think the food sounds delicious, but no one in my family wants to go because they're afraid of being forced to eat green beans or being sent to the corner or whatever. I don't mind antics and can even find them fun, but I don't like being treated like a child. If I don't care for what is on my plate, I won't finish it. Is there a way for us to enjoy this restaurant or would it be better to just go elsewhere? For instance, we're planning on going to Whispering Canyon and I expect we'll enjoy it quite a bit.

I've never heard of anyone being harassed when they really didn't want to be. the only complaints I see are from people who didn't have any antics. I think that unless you give clear signals you want to play no one is going to make it uncomfortable for you. I think that would be detrimental to tip. I think if you are really worried you can say something when checking in, that you would prefer no antics at your meal. they are not there to have fun at anyone's expense, if you know what I mean... and I haven't read about antics as severe as standing in the corner in a long time. My guess is that would be for someone who REALLY was asking for it and playing along and not someone who was shy. I think if you're not completely uptight about it, if the server admonished you to finish your veggies you can just say something like "no thank you. I'm a mom myself and I get to make my own rules." they will get the hint but my guess is that they are good at reading people in the first place to avoid awkward moments. I've never read about one honestly.

Lol I was worried about the same thing hence was looking into captain's grille! But @Lisa F is right, it's one of the best known themed restaurant on WDW. :) I'm still not sure but there's not much choices in DHS... Lol
five words for you: "peanut butter and jelly milkshake. "

I am kind of sad I can't fit Mama Melrose in anywhere. Sci fi was so much fun last time, it was definitely on kiddo's list this time and ultimately decided on H&V for F!. but Mama Melrose is an old favorite.
 
Lol I was worried about the same thing hence was looking into captain's grille! But @Lisa F is right, it's one of the best known themed restaurant on WDW. :) I'm still not sure but there's not much choices in DHS... Lol

I've never heard of anyone being harassed when they really didn't want to be. the only complaints I see are from people who didn't have any antics. I think that unless you give clear signals you want to play no one is going to make it uncomfortable for you. I think that would be detrimental to tip. I think if you are really worried you can say something when checking in, that you would prefer no antics at your meal. they are not there to have fun at anyone's expense, if you know what I mean... and I haven't read about antics as severe as standing in the corner in a long time. My guess is that would be for someone who REALLY was asking for it and playing along and not someone who was shy. I think if you're not completely uptight about it, if the server admonished you to finish your veggies you can just say something like "no thank you. I'm a mom myself and I get to make my own rules." they will get the hint but my guess is that they are good at reading people in the first place to avoid awkward moments. I've never read about one honestly.


five words for you: "peanut butter and jelly milkshake. "

I am kind of sad I can't fit Mama Melrose in anywhere. Sci fi was so much fun last time, it was definitely on kiddo's list this time and ultimately decided on H&V for F!. but Mama Melrose is an old favorite.

I was torn for my HS choices this December. I went with Mama Melrose Fantasmic! and Sci-Fi Dine-In! I was so tempted to do 50's Prime Time Cafe, but I just do not have space for another HS meal. Went to look if there is an ADR for my day, but nothing at a reasonable time. IDK if I should start watching for one instead of Sci-Fi? Those fried pickles do seem tempting and I think it looks fun!

Is it true you can get that milkshake to go from 50's Prime Time? I feel like I may have read that somewhere.
 
I was torn for my HS choices this December. I went with Mama Melrose Fantasmic! and Sci-Fi Dine-In! I was so tempted to do 50's Prime Time Cafe, but I just do not have space for another HS meal. Went to look if there is an ADR for my day, but nothing at a reasonable time. IDK if I should start watching for one instead of Sci-Fi? Those fried pickles do seem tempting and I think it looks fun!

Is it true you can get that milkshake to go from 50's Prime Time? I feel like I may have read that somewhere.
The fried pickles at Sci Fi are spears and not chips, if you care. Some people have a strong pref for chips (ration of pickle to batter is lower, lol). I LOVED the atmosphere of sci fi and they have milkshakes there as well (with glow cubes! extra but so worth it!) I would prob not do Sci Fi and 50's together in one trip unless it was 2 weeks long but for me Sci Fi edges out 50's for atmosphere by a lot while 50's has slightly better food... but they are both pretty close but sci fi wins for me this time (especially with the kiddo, it is a great place for 2). You basically already have my top 2 so I'd keep them, lol. Mama Melrose's atmosphere reminds me of nostalgic old fashioned little italy restaurants like you see in the movies (they don't look like that anymore, lol) and it just always gave me the warm fuzzies. Not the best italian ever but the food is good enough and I just love sitting at the checkered tablecloths with the twinkle lights.... it's very in the "great movie ride" vein.

I am doing sci fi and H&V with F! per my son's request. He really wants to see the christmas characters. it is the one that is hardest for me to get excited about. he did 50's PT with his dad in feb and sci fi with me in 2014 and agreed that we should do one or the other but not both. we decided on sci fi again... but I wish I could be jazzed about H&V. it will probably turn out the best meal of the entire trip, lol.
 
Honestly I think that if you are going to WDW frequently, it kind of loses it's luster a bit. Places like this site tend to attract people who are frequent disney visitors. Any treat, had over and over and over again, begins to feel like less of a treat. Also the more you go, the more chances you have for places to have an off night.

Agree 100%!!
And the same is true for frequent cruisers. My DH got tired of cruises so I've gone on my last 4 cruises with my sister(s). People on the cruising message boards are just the same. Expecting 5* and then grumbling when it isn't. Complaints about quality and service degrading over time. Heck, if I complained about something so much, I wouldn't go back (let alone spend thousands of dollars on it)!! And yes, we've tried other cruise lines and we like some stuff and dislike other stuff on each trip. Still like it as an option for world travelling :-)
 
The fried pickles at Sci Fi are spears and not chips, if you care. Some people have a strong pref for chips (ration of pickle to batter is lower, lol). I LOVED the atmosphere of sci fi and they have milkshakes there as well (with glow cubes! extra but so worth it!) I would prob not do Sci Fi and 50's together in one trip unless it was 2 weeks long but for me Sci Fi edges out 50's for atmosphere by a lot while 50's has slightly better food... but they are both pretty close but sci fi wins for me this time (especially with the kiddo, it is a great place for 2). You basically already have my top 2 so I'd keep them, lol. Mama Melrose's atmosphere reminds me of nostalgic old fashioned little italy restaurants like you see in the movies (they don't look like that anymore, lol) and it just always gave me the warm fuzzies. Not the best italian ever but the food is good enough and I just love sitting at the checkered tablecloths with the twinkle lights.... it's very in the "great movie ride" vein.

I am doing sci fi and H&V with F! per my son's request. He really wants to see the christmas characters. it is the one that is hardest for me to get excited about. he did 50's PT with his dad in feb and sci fi with me in 2014 and agreed that we should do one or the other but not both. we decided on sci fi again... but I wish I could be jazzed about H&V. it will probably turn out the best meal of the entire trip, lol.
I have typically had chips, but will definitely try the spears! Good to know about the glow cubes. Will definitely need to get them too! I gravitated towards Sci-Fi before I could even book ADRs so I think I will stick with it. Was going to go during my last trip for lunch, but had to be flexible and change while we were there to a Kona ADR just because it was easier to eat at the resort that day.

Although we avoided Epcot Italian, Mama Melrose seems cute, and we can get some simple pasta or I have even seen the steak and macaroni and cheese is supposed to be really good! The atmosphere sounds like it will be great! The pictures can only do so much online. :)

We did H&V Springtime dine. The unique outfits on the characters were very cute! Not sure what the updated menu is, or if it is the same as last year, but I feel like the Holiday buffet got some of he best reviews from what I had seen! The food was hot and the buffet and tables were clean when I attended. I even had some of the kiddie options like breast nuggets so there is always something! I really liked the desserts there too. Cookies, cream puffs, chocolate covered strawberries, chocolate covered marshmallows, mini (key lime - spring) pies... they were delicious!
 
I have typically had chips, but will definitely try the spears! Good to know about the glow cubes. Will definitely need to get them too! I gravitated towards Sci-Fi before I could even book ADRs so I think I will stick with it. Was going to go during my last trip for lunch, but had to be flexible and change while we were there to a Kona ADR just because it was easier to eat at the resort that day.

Although we avoided Epcot Italian, Mama Melrose seems cute, and we can get some simple pasta or I have even seen the steak and macaroni and cheese is supposed to be really good! The atmosphere sounds like it will be great! The pictures can only do so much online. :)

We did H&V Springtime dine. The unique outfits on the characters were very cute! Not sure what the updated menu is, or if it is the same as last year, but I feel like the Holiday buffet got some of he best reviews from what I had seen! The food was hot and the buffet and tables were clean when I attended. I even had some of the kiddie options like breast nuggets so there is always something! I really liked the desserts there too. Cookies, cream puffs, chocolate covered strawberries, chocolate covered marshmallows, mini (key lime - spring) pies... they were delicious!
the glow cubes come in a lot of the signature cocktails and at sci fi it came with the boozy milkshake - which I do not recommend, you can't taste the booze in something like that and it is kind of a waste of money, i'd just get a virgin next time. But I could not order that for me and no glow cube for the kiddo. we brought them all home and use them when we need a disney fix, they are awesome. I think they are actually worth the few $$ they cost, way more than the characters. They have several modes where you can change the color to be on solid or cycle through all of the colors. so much fun, i wish I could find a dozen to buy online or something! I would definitely get yourself a few of these.

Yeah I wanted to try that steak too, lol. the steak at sci fi gets oddly good reviews also and I don't have many places where I will have steak (um... if any? MAYBE filet at CA Grill but that is it and I'd be more likely to get the pork or maybe Y&Y but I might get the seafood curry there too) so I might just do it. I just worry about the size of the meal at 11:15am with appetizer and milkshake. I want to explode thinking about it but will need to exercise restraint and eat half.

Glad to hear about h&V. I read somewhere they got a new chef at the same time they rolled out the seasonal menus. I read an awesome review of the christmas seasonal menu and I could live on the salads, butternut squash soup and if I can find an acceptable protein I'm good. There are SO many choices, they can't all be bad right? EVERYTHING looked good to me so I doubt I will go home hungry :)
 
Thanks for the advice about 50's Primetime. The food and atmosphere look so amazing to me! Our first dining table was my grandmother's and looked almost exactly like the tables and chairs at 50's PT. :)
 
five words for you: "peanut butter and jelly milkshake. "

I am kind of sad I can't fit Mama Melrose in anywhere. Sci fi was so much fun last time, it was definitely on kiddo's list this time and ultimately decided on H&V for F!. but Mama Melrose is an old favorite.
Lol, I know lots of people rave about it but it sounds a little weird to me.

I was initially trying to get MM instead of 50s but could not find a reservation... I have a touring plans alert set up for it just in case. If not, it'll be 50s... :)
 
Hi everyone!

This is a total change of topic :), but I was hoping some of you could help answer some (really stupid!) questions for me! Since I am so new to planning a wdw trip, I'm just trying to be as prepared as I can...
I know a lot of you are waiting for the Star Wars dessert package, correct? and RoL? Are these events that are NOT offered every night? I know RoL is still tentative, but I know people have mentioned that some of their plans are not definite because they're waiting for these dates/shows.

We won't be visiting HS this trip, but I'd love to see RoL if it is running....I know there is a lot that isn't known about RoL, but I figured I'd ask if anyone had an idea of what we could maybe expect based on past new attractions:

will it likely run every night?
does anyone know if this is an event that we will need to purchase tickets for when dates are released?
will it be an event like the Candlelight Processional where you can get a dining package for better seats, but everyone is still allowed to attend?

Thanks!
 
That's a great way to look at things :) hopefully I could be as positive! :) I'm getting excited talking about it though! are there any repeats on your list of ADRs? I think the only one I have is crystal palace breakfast and BoG dinner. Some are the same restaurant but different meal.

Our only repeats are CP breakfast and Tusker House. Everything else is going to be a new experience for us! :) So exciting to try new places, isn't it?! Although tried and true is always great as well.
 















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