1BR Villas?

[muppets3d]

I think December is just where it is the worst - see my last post.

If you compare savings using points instead of cash rates, September is right behind December last I checked. And, again, September used to be one of those months people didn't go to WDW because kids were back in school. Well, you've got a lot of Disney adults and probably even plenty of families willing to take kids out of school for a week in September. And, with the points being the lowest and savings over rack rates, why not? Of course, still pretty darn hot and in the middle of hurricane season, so it isn't for me, but I understand the appeal.

Rack rates are fugazi.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

So all you've proven is it doesn't matter what the point difference is, they'll still be hard to book. Simply because there are only 18 of them and thousands of AKV members. Thank you!

Right. I’m not going for them. I’d rather less points for the resort and savanna views. And you are quite welcome happy human being!

 

[airjay75]

Rack rates are fugazi.

Agreed, to an extent. But, if the savings over rack rates are already at a maximum and they aren't discounting it like they are in summer, it is indicative of demand imbalances IMO.

 

[muppets3d]

Right. I’m not going for them. I’d rather less points for the resort and savanna views. And you are quite welcome happy human being!

As you're probably aware, they took points away from savanna views and gave them to club level for the '27 chart. Which I think is good for the membership at-large.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

As you're probably aware, they took points away from savanna views and gave them to club level for the '27 chart. Which I think is good for the membership at-large.

Yes, well aware. Hope however they switch points, it amounts to less for resort and savanna views. Thanks for listening!

 

[Mirabell Rose]

So all you've proven is it doesn't matter what the point difference is, they'll still be hard to book. Simply because there are only 18 of them and thousands of AKV members. Thank you!

Disagree. The studios could be the same point value as regular standard and simply be the last ones to be rented. Studios sell out the quickest so they likely will still rent and the benefit would be spread across all owners.

 

[WinterSolider]

Rack rates are fugazi.

Rack rates are a proxy for demand.

 

[muppets3d]

Rack rates are a proxy for demand.

On the hotel side perhaps but even then not really because nearly everyone books some sort of package deal. Certainly not on the DVC side.

 

[muppets3d]

Disagree. The studios could be the same point value as regular standard and simply be the last ones to be rented. Studios sell out the quickest so they likely will still rent and the benefit would be spread across all owners.

Maybe they should do that then. Some people who book resort view studios or 1 bedrooms will be given rooms on the giraffe or ostrich trails. Their rooms will just be smaller.

 

[WinterSolider]

On the hotel side perhaps but even then not really because nearly everyone books some sort of package deal. Certainly not on the DVC side.

Okay I'll make one more attempt at explaining this.

1. Cash Prices are a Direct Reflection of Organic Demand
In the cash marketplace, room availability remains roughly equal throughout the year. Because supply is static, the transparent, publicly available cash prices act as the sole mechanism to balance the quantity demanded. Therefore, when cash prices rise during periods like spring break or Christmas, it is not arbitrary; it is a direct, quantifiable measurement of increased organic consumer demand for that specific timeframe. The cash price is the mathematical translation of how badly people want to travel at that time.

2. The DVC and Cash Populations Share Identical Demand Curves
There's no reason to assume that demand patterns between cash guests and points guests are anything other than homogenous. The desire to travel during holidays, school breaks, or prime weather seasons does not change simply because of the currency the guest is using to book the room. If underlying seasonal demand spikes for a cash guest, it inherently spikes for a points guest.

3. The Structural Obligation to Balance
Disney has a mandate to balance the points charts to ensure the quantity of rooms demanded by timeshare members is equalized throughout the year. Because the points population has the exact same seasonal demand spikes as the cash population (Premise 2), the property owner must use the points chart exactly how the open market uses cash prices: raising the "cost" during peak times and lowering it during off-peak times to flatten the demand curve.

 

[IsDVCForMe?]

Okay I'll make one more attempt at explaining this.

1. Cash Prices are a Direct Reflection of Organic Demand
In the cash marketplace, room availability remains roughly equal throughout the year. Because supply is static, the transparent, publicly available cash prices act as the sole mechanism to balance the quantity demanded. Therefore, when cash prices rise during periods like spring break or Christmas, it is not arbitrary; it is a direct, quantifiable measurement of increased organic consumer demand for that specific timeframe. The cash price is the mathematical translation of how badly people want to travel at that time.

2. The DVC and Cash Populations Share Identical Demand Curves
There's no reason to assume that demand patterns between cash guests and points guests are anything other than homogenous. The desire to travel during holidays, school breaks, or prime weather seasons does not change simply because of the currency the guest is using to book the room. If underlying seasonal demand spikes for a cash guest, it inherently spikes for a points guest.

3. The Structural Obligation to Balance
Disney has a mandate to balance the points charts to ensure the quantity of rooms demanded by timeshare members is equalized throughout the year. Because the points population has the exact same seasonal demand spikes as the cash population (Premise 2), the property owner must use the points chart exactly how the open market uses cash prices: raising the "cost" during peak times and lowering it during off-peak times to flatten the demand curve.

Your first 2 points were easily understood in your initial posts. And I would have assumed the same. I’m not familiar with the last point but I’ll take your word for it lol.

 

[muppets3d]

Okay I'll make one more attempt at explaining this.

1. Cash Prices are a Direct Reflection of Organic Demand
In the cash marketplace, room availability remains roughly equal throughout the year. Because supply is static, the transparent, publicly available cash prices act as the sole mechanism to balance the quantity demanded. Therefore, when cash prices rise during periods like spring break or Christmas, it is not arbitrary; it is a direct, quantifiable measurement of increased organic consumer demand for that specific timeframe. The cash price is the mathematical translation of how badly people want to travel at that time.

2. The DVC and Cash Populations Share Identical Demand Curves
There's no reason to assume that demand patterns between cash guests and points guests are anything other than homogenous. The desire to travel during holidays, school breaks, or prime weather seasons does not change simply because of the currency the guest is using to book the room. If underlying seasonal demand spikes for a cash guest, it inherently spikes for a points guest.

3. The Structural Obligation to Balance
Disney has a mandate to balance the points charts to ensure the quantity of rooms demanded by timeshare members is equalized throughout the year. Because the points population has the exact same seasonal demand spikes as the cash population (Premise 2), the property owner must use the points chart exactly how the open market uses cash prices: raising the "cost" during peak times and lowering it during off-peak times to flatten the demand curve.

You are now conflating "cash prices" and "rack rates" which are two different things in an attempt to be correct. Goodbye.