mello
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17 People, 18 Days of Disney Dining
First the tedious details, then a quick summary with ratings, then more detailed info on each restaurant.
Cast:
Our immediate family of 5: Me, DH, DS 14, DS 12, DD 5. All 3 kids are good, adventurous eaters, but our 12yo is an avowed foodie, who likes things like sushi and calamari, and analyzes the ingredients in things. This was our 3rd time on the dining plan.
The extended family of 12: Ranging in age from 5yo to 68yo; I’ll spare you the details of names & individual ages! Some are foodies & wineys, some are picky, some have food allergies, some will eat anything. This was all of their first time on the dining plan, first time at WDW for most. One couple had been to WDW back in the Halcyon Pre-DDP Days, and like us, remembered the varied menus, stellar service, and fantastic food.
The Whole Enchilada (or the boring details):
We ate in every combination from couples to the entire group, and found that on the whole, the food was average, the experiences were above average if slightly rushed, and that Disney does a better job of handling large and varied groups than most restaurants we frequent at home.
Those dealing with Celiac disease and diabetes found that it was much easier and more pleasant to dine at Disney than at most other places they’ve been. Servers, Chefs, and Counter Service CM’s were all knowledgeable and professional, accommodating and kind, and some went far out of their way to ensure a satisfactory dining experience for the celiacs particularly.
Compared to our first DDP experience in 2005, the “Dumbing Down” of the menus as a result of the plan has become painfully obvious, and sad to see. I was one who did not agree with people who said it would happen, but now I must reluctantly concede they were right. One may now compare Disney Dining to cruise ship dining. They have it down to a science, with meal seating times in waves, no more than 5 items on the menu, mass service of homogenized meals, a quick run through of the characters or entertainment, and shoosh you out the door in time for the next seating. My mom, a foodie who’s never been to WDW before, caught on by about the 4th day. She said, “I can see exactly what they do. They order a ton of beef, a ton of salmon, a ton of chicken, and a ton of penne pasta, and distribute it out to the restaurants, and then the chefs at each restaurant try to make it fit the theme. And some do a better job of it than others!” True, so true. Some do a better job than others. But how sad that it all has all been reduced to such blatant standardization, and such lack of choice on the menus. By the end of our trip I thought I’d scream and run if I saw one more dessert menu that consisted of Chocolate Cake, Cheesecake, Key Lime Pie, and Fruit Something. Where, oh where has the creativity gone? Hopefully not so far that it can’t come back! That said, we intentionally sought out restaurants with some diversity in the menus, and most of our experiences were good ones.
*A Couple Notes about the DDP Changes this Year:
Sometimes we dined in groups smaller than 6, and sometimes we didn’t, so we found we were constantly checking on whether the tip was included or “suggested”, and trying to figure out how to divide it up, who’s card to put it on, who was paying cash, how to tip up or down appropriately for the service, etc. etc. It made the end of meals far less relaxing than they had been previously. We decided that we’d rather give up desserts or even all counter service meals in order to have the tip included again, just for simplicity’s sake. True all-inclusive is just so much more relaxing for a vacation.
A few of the better servers we visited with mentioned that the changes to the tip structure have “not done anyone any favors” to quote one fabulous server we had. We were trying to figure out how to tip her more than the included 18%, and she mentioned how uncomfortable it is for her to keep having conversations about her tips with the guests! She said never in all her years of serving has she been forced to discuss her tips, and now she has to do it all the time, and she hates doing it. A couple other fantastic servers expressed similar sentiments. I have a feeling many of the good ones are being shorted with the imposed 18%, and many of the lackluster ones are skating by.
I know I’m being ambivalent here. On the one hand, I like the DDP; on the other hand, I don’t. On the one hand, it’s convenient and a good value (or used to be, anyway); but on the other hand it’s quite possible that it has ruined the whole table service experience as it once was. I know you can’t have it both ways, but I’m sure many of you know just what I mean. It’s a love/hate relationship. But right now, I’m leaning much farther away from the love, lol.
Places We Ate & Quick Ratings:
A Quick Note on Ratings: 1=Worst and 10=Best;
Food includes freshness, quality, flavor, uniqueness, presentation, etc.
Service includes promptness, efficiency, professionalism, and above all, friendliness.
Atmosphere includes themeing, character interaction, entertainment, appropriateness of lighting and noise levels, space, and will inevitably reflect to some degree where we were seated in the restaurant. And yes, most rate higher than average in atmosphere just because, well, they’re in Disney World!
Sat May 10: Chef Mickey’s Breakfast: Food:5 Service:5 Atmosphere:6
Sat May 10: Ohana Dinner: Food:9 Service:9 Atmosphere:6 (more on that later)
Sun May 11: Garden View Lounge Tea: Food:8 Service:7 Atmosphere:9
Mon May 12: Liberty Tree Tavern Dinner: Food:6+ Service:9 Atmosphere:8
Tues May 13: Biergarten Dinner: Food:5 Service:8 Atmosphere:9
Wed May 14: Sunshine Seasons Lunch: Food:5 Service:Quick Service Atmosphere:4
Wed May 14: Garden Grill Dinner: Food:7 Service:2 Atmosphere:4
Thur May 15: 50’s Prime Time Lunch: Food:6 Service:8 Atmosphere:8
Fri May 16: Sci Fi Lunch: Food:6 Service:9 Atmosphere:9
Fri May 16: Artist Point Dinner: Food:8 Service:7 Atmosphere:7
Sat May 17: Artists Palette Lunch: Food:7 Service: QS Atmosphere:6
Sat May 17: Wolfgang Puck Express Dinner: Food:9 Service:8 Atmosphere:6
Sun May 18: Grand Gathering Safari w/ Tusker House Dinner Food:6 Service:5 Atmosphere:7
Mon May 19: Cantina in Mexico Lunch: Food:6 Service:QS Atmosphere:9
Mon May 19: Marrakesh Dinner: Food:6 Service:6 Atmosphere:8
Tues May 20: 1900 Park Fare Dinner: Food:6 Service:6 Atmosphere:9
Wed May 21: Garden View Lounge Tea: Food:8 Service: 8 Atmosphere:9
Wed May 21: Whispering Canyon Café Dinner: Food:8 Service:9 Atmosphere:8
Thur May 22: Seafire Inn (SeaWorld) Lunch: Non-Disney Overall:5
Thur May 22: Olivia’s Dinner: Food: 7 Service:9 Service:9 Atmosphere:7
Fri May 23: Discovery Cove Lunch: Non-Disney Overall:8
Fri May 23: Earl of Sandwich Dinner: Food:7 Service:QS Atmosphere:5
Sat May 24: Cinderella’s Royal Table Lunch: Food:8 Service:7 Atmosphere:10
Sat May 24: Columbia Harbor House Dinner: Food:6 Service:10 Atmosphere:7
Sun May 25: Artists Palette Lunch: Food:7 Service:QS Atmosphere:6
Sun May 25: Raglan Road Dinner: Food: 6 Service:4 Atmosphere:6
Mon May 26: Cosmic Ray’s Dinner: Food: 5 Service:QS+ Atmosphere:6
Mon May 26: Pecos Bill’s 2nd Dinner: Food:4 Service: QS Atmosphere:5
Tues May 27: Boulangerie Patisserie Lunch: Food:7 Service:QS Atmosphere:9
Tues May 27: Narcoosee’s Dinner: Food:10 Service: 9 Atmosphere9
Wed May 28: Wolfgang Puck’s Express Lunch: Food:9 Service:8 Atmosphere 6
First the tedious details, then a quick summary with ratings, then more detailed info on each restaurant.
Cast:
Our immediate family of 5: Me, DH, DS 14, DS 12, DD 5. All 3 kids are good, adventurous eaters, but our 12yo is an avowed foodie, who likes things like sushi and calamari, and analyzes the ingredients in things. This was our 3rd time on the dining plan.
The extended family of 12: Ranging in age from 5yo to 68yo; I’ll spare you the details of names & individual ages! Some are foodies & wineys, some are picky, some have food allergies, some will eat anything. This was all of their first time on the dining plan, first time at WDW for most. One couple had been to WDW back in the Halcyon Pre-DDP Days, and like us, remembered the varied menus, stellar service, and fantastic food.
The Whole Enchilada (or the boring details):
We ate in every combination from couples to the entire group, and found that on the whole, the food was average, the experiences were above average if slightly rushed, and that Disney does a better job of handling large and varied groups than most restaurants we frequent at home.
Those dealing with Celiac disease and diabetes found that it was much easier and more pleasant to dine at Disney than at most other places they’ve been. Servers, Chefs, and Counter Service CM’s were all knowledgeable and professional, accommodating and kind, and some went far out of their way to ensure a satisfactory dining experience for the celiacs particularly.
Compared to our first DDP experience in 2005, the “Dumbing Down” of the menus as a result of the plan has become painfully obvious, and sad to see. I was one who did not agree with people who said it would happen, but now I must reluctantly concede they were right. One may now compare Disney Dining to cruise ship dining. They have it down to a science, with meal seating times in waves, no more than 5 items on the menu, mass service of homogenized meals, a quick run through of the characters or entertainment, and shoosh you out the door in time for the next seating. My mom, a foodie who’s never been to WDW before, caught on by about the 4th day. She said, “I can see exactly what they do. They order a ton of beef, a ton of salmon, a ton of chicken, and a ton of penne pasta, and distribute it out to the restaurants, and then the chefs at each restaurant try to make it fit the theme. And some do a better job of it than others!” True, so true. Some do a better job than others. But how sad that it all has all been reduced to such blatant standardization, and such lack of choice on the menus. By the end of our trip I thought I’d scream and run if I saw one more dessert menu that consisted of Chocolate Cake, Cheesecake, Key Lime Pie, and Fruit Something. Where, oh where has the creativity gone? Hopefully not so far that it can’t come back! That said, we intentionally sought out restaurants with some diversity in the menus, and most of our experiences were good ones.
*A Couple Notes about the DDP Changes this Year:
Sometimes we dined in groups smaller than 6, and sometimes we didn’t, so we found we were constantly checking on whether the tip was included or “suggested”, and trying to figure out how to divide it up, who’s card to put it on, who was paying cash, how to tip up or down appropriately for the service, etc. etc. It made the end of meals far less relaxing than they had been previously. We decided that we’d rather give up desserts or even all counter service meals in order to have the tip included again, just for simplicity’s sake. True all-inclusive is just so much more relaxing for a vacation.
A few of the better servers we visited with mentioned that the changes to the tip structure have “not done anyone any favors” to quote one fabulous server we had. We were trying to figure out how to tip her more than the included 18%, and she mentioned how uncomfortable it is for her to keep having conversations about her tips with the guests! She said never in all her years of serving has she been forced to discuss her tips, and now she has to do it all the time, and she hates doing it. A couple other fantastic servers expressed similar sentiments. I have a feeling many of the good ones are being shorted with the imposed 18%, and many of the lackluster ones are skating by.
I know I’m being ambivalent here. On the one hand, I like the DDP; on the other hand, I don’t. On the one hand, it’s convenient and a good value (or used to be, anyway); but on the other hand it’s quite possible that it has ruined the whole table service experience as it once was. I know you can’t have it both ways, but I’m sure many of you know just what I mean. It’s a love/hate relationship. But right now, I’m leaning much farther away from the love, lol.
Places We Ate & Quick Ratings:
A Quick Note on Ratings: 1=Worst and 10=Best;
Food includes freshness, quality, flavor, uniqueness, presentation, etc.
Service includes promptness, efficiency, professionalism, and above all, friendliness.
Atmosphere includes themeing, character interaction, entertainment, appropriateness of lighting and noise levels, space, and will inevitably reflect to some degree where we were seated in the restaurant. And yes, most rate higher than average in atmosphere just because, well, they’re in Disney World!
Sat May 10: Chef Mickey’s Breakfast: Food:5 Service:5 Atmosphere:6
Sat May 10: Ohana Dinner: Food:9 Service:9 Atmosphere:6 (more on that later)
Sun May 11: Garden View Lounge Tea: Food:8 Service:7 Atmosphere:9
Mon May 12: Liberty Tree Tavern Dinner: Food:6+ Service:9 Atmosphere:8
Tues May 13: Biergarten Dinner: Food:5 Service:8 Atmosphere:9
Wed May 14: Sunshine Seasons Lunch: Food:5 Service:Quick Service Atmosphere:4
Wed May 14: Garden Grill Dinner: Food:7 Service:2 Atmosphere:4
Thur May 15: 50’s Prime Time Lunch: Food:6 Service:8 Atmosphere:8
Fri May 16: Sci Fi Lunch: Food:6 Service:9 Atmosphere:9
Fri May 16: Artist Point Dinner: Food:8 Service:7 Atmosphere:7
Sat May 17: Artists Palette Lunch: Food:7 Service: QS Atmosphere:6
Sat May 17: Wolfgang Puck Express Dinner: Food:9 Service:8 Atmosphere:6
Sun May 18: Grand Gathering Safari w/ Tusker House Dinner Food:6 Service:5 Atmosphere:7
Mon May 19: Cantina in Mexico Lunch: Food:6 Service:QS Atmosphere:9
Mon May 19: Marrakesh Dinner: Food:6 Service:6 Atmosphere:8
Tues May 20: 1900 Park Fare Dinner: Food:6 Service:6 Atmosphere:9
Wed May 21: Garden View Lounge Tea: Food:8 Service: 8 Atmosphere:9
Wed May 21: Whispering Canyon Café Dinner: Food:8 Service:9 Atmosphere:8
Thur May 22: Seafire Inn (SeaWorld) Lunch: Non-Disney Overall:5
Thur May 22: Olivia’s Dinner: Food: 7 Service:9 Service:9 Atmosphere:7
Fri May 23: Discovery Cove Lunch: Non-Disney Overall:8
Fri May 23: Earl of Sandwich Dinner: Food:7 Service:QS Atmosphere:5
Sat May 24: Cinderella’s Royal Table Lunch: Food:8 Service:7 Atmosphere:10
Sat May 24: Columbia Harbor House Dinner: Food:6 Service:10 Atmosphere:7
Sun May 25: Artists Palette Lunch: Food:7 Service:QS Atmosphere:6
Sun May 25: Raglan Road Dinner: Food: 6 Service:4 Atmosphere:6
Mon May 26: Cosmic Ray’s Dinner: Food: 5 Service:QS+ Atmosphere:6
Mon May 26: Pecos Bill’s 2nd Dinner: Food:4 Service: QS Atmosphere:5
Tues May 27: Boulangerie Patisserie Lunch: Food:7 Service:QS Atmosphere:9
Tues May 27: Narcoosee’s Dinner: Food:10 Service: 9 Atmosphere9
Wed May 28: Wolfgang Puck’s Express Lunch: Food:9 Service:8 Atmosphere 6