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[dennis99ss]

Bush lied -- what utter nonsense. The previous administration and UN security council have had the same info. and many in the US congress have made many speeches re Saddam and Iraq stressing the need to take serious action over the past many years. Our President and many allies finally took real action. Thank God.

Your head is so far down in the sand, you haven't seen what has been happening for the last couple years. Lets see, nobody has found WMD's, Powell says it is the greatest mistake he ever made, and, has indicated that he resents having had gone to the UN.....etc. Bush went to the UN, and to the senate, and said WMD's, we must go now. Unfortunately, it was al untrue. Lets see, didn't the CIA come have some thoughts before the war that the WMD's were not there?

And, while other presidents may have stressed action, the action they stressed did not include putting Americans in harm's way. The others didn't go to war. This president planned for Iraq before he had a reason, and then jumped on WMD's and terrorism when it was convienent for him to do so. The war was started on a lie! The people who have died and have been injured over there did so under a false pretense.

Those saying to "cut and run" or that this fight against terrorism is not worth it are the ones who would have our soldiers die in vain.

How is having cut and run making our soldiers die in vain? Just because this president has killed over 2000 soldiers in Iraq does not mean that we who want to save additional lives are responsible for their dying in vain. If they have died in vain, it is because of the underlying policy. If they leave now, there will be no more dying in Iraq. If they stay, as you hope, there will be more who die in vain.

I believe wholeheartedly that our armed forces are helping the Iraqis tremendously. I also believe that these brave souls would be ready to defend our land and our freedom if either were ever threatened. There is no denying that these men and women are true heroes.

I agree. But, if they are in Iraq, how are they going to defend MY freedom?

First off, none of us "sent our husbands to Iraq" the military did. A military that they freely and voluntarily joined. Because of the courage, dedication and selflessness of our fighting men and women, you have the freedom to sit comfortably in your living room and disparage them, their families and everything they believe in.

They did freely join. They joined because they believed they would never be used for false purposes. Yet, they are. First, the dedication of the men, etc. has no bearing on this issue. Their fight in Iraq has nothing to do with my freedom. It has nothing to do with protecting me from attack. Now, getting rid of Al Queda, that has merit. By the way, why haven't we found Bin Laden? Maybe becasue all of the fighting men are in Iraq, fighting an increasing insurgency, fueled by Al Queda. Just think, if there was no Al Queda, Iraq may not have been the problem you believe it was, and, it may not have had the avenues to attack us, as you seem to believe it was capable of. So, the men being in Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with my ability to sit in my living room. If anything, their being in Iraq has made it more dangerous to sit in my living room, because they are causing (they being through their actions/orders/etc.) an increase of hate against us, which is simply playing into Al Queda's hands, which, of course, is the enemy we should be fighting.

 

[bimshire]

Too many follow bu$h blindly and parrot for his causes.

bu$h has now killed 2000 Americans and more that 100,000 Iraqis.

Remember, when Clinton lied, nobody died!

 

[richiebaseball]

Remember, when Clinton lied, nobody died!

Polly want a cracker?

 

[dennis99ss]

Bimshire, I like it. Can I hijack that comment from time to time

 

[Laura]

I believe wholeheartedly that our armed forces are helping the Iraqis tremendously. I also believe that these brave souls would be ready to defend our land and our freedom if either were ever threatened. There is no denying that these men and women are true heroes.

I completely agree with you.

Our troops are the best!

 

[Jynohn]

First, the dedication of the men, etc. has no bearing on this issue. Their fight in Iraq has nothing to do with my freedom. It has nothing to do with protecting me from attack. Now, getting rid of Al Queda, that has merit. By the way, why haven't we found Bin Laden? Maybe becasue all of the fighting men are in Iraq, fighting an increasing insurgency, fueled by Al Queda. Just think, if there was no Al Queda, Iraq may not have been the problem you believe it was, and, it may not have had the avenues to attack us, as you seem to believe it was capable of. So, the men being in Iraq has absolutely nothing to do with my ability to sit in my living room.

Their dedication absolutely has a bearing on this issue. You stated that you can't believe they would sacrifice their own lives and those of their families in order to blindly follow a president who is only in it for oil money, etc. That, in my opinion, is pretty insulting. If you honestly believe that then you obviously do not have much respect for them. They are dedicated to defending this country in whatever way they are called to do so. Soldiers don't get to pick and choose the battles they engage in. They can and do voice their opinions however in the voting booth and in their decisions to re-enlist (which my husband proudly did).

They are defending our country by fighting terrorism over there so they don't have to do it in our back yard. If you don't believe that to be the case, so be it. But the men and women who are putting their very lives on the line obviously do. It's easy for you to call their decisions and beliefs into question when you're not the one out there fighting.

 

[dennis99ss]

They are defending our country by fighting terrorism over there so they don't have to do it in our back yard.

Where have I heard that before? Sounds like a Bush commercial

 

[Jynohn]

Where have I heard that before? Sounds like a Bush commercial

Nope, not a commercial. Just the sentiments of a guy actually over there fighting....

 

[DisneyDotty]

Don't confuse this horrible war with the warriors who bravely go where they are sent and do their duty at a high cost to them and their families.

I don't support George Bush or the war in Iraq but I honor and support those who serve and the veterans who went before them.

May God bless the souls of those 2000 and comfort their families and friends.

I agree 100%. We expect our military to serve as they've been called to do--whether or not they believe in the mission is almost irrelevant, isn't it? How can a soldier do his/her job if he/she is constantly second-guessing the command? Our soldiers deserve our respect and praise. OTOH, our leadership--those in BOTH parties who got us into this mess--deserve a one-way ticket home come next elections...

 

[dennis99ss]

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How dare these military people not blindly follow orders, and not blindly accept what the Government tells them. I guess that means they are somehow mistaken.

Sentiments from a guy over there. I'm sorry, but I find it hard to believe that one soldier, on the ground, can have more insight into the war, than people higher up. Just think, if there was a direct link between Iraq and terrorism in the US, Bush would be plastering it all over the press in an attempt to increase his approval rating. his lack of doing so clearly indicates that he has no such information, as no such information exists. I too can say people are over there to protect us and stop the fight from coming to our land. But, if someone asked me for the basis of such a statement, I would have to say, well, that's what I was told, but I can't point to any specific threat that was stopped by being in Iraq. However, I bet you could point to several threats that are the result of Iraq. I bet London could, Spain could, Bali could, Australia could......

 

[beattyfamily]

Their dedication absolutely has a bearing on this issue. You stated that you can't believe they would sacrifice their own lives and those of their families in order to blindly follow a president who is only in it for oil money, etc. That, in my opinion, is pretty insulting. If you honestly believe that then you obviously do not have much respect for them. They are dedicated to defending this country in whatever way they are called to do so. Soldiers don't get to pick and choose the battles they engage in. They can and do voice their opinions however in the voting booth and in their decisions to re-enlist (which my husband proudly did).

They are defending our country by fighting terrorism over there so they don't have to do it in our back yard. If you don't believe that to be the case, so be it. But the men and women who are putting their very lives on the line obviously do. It's easy for you to call their decisions and beliefs into question when you're not the one out there fighting.

Jynohn, I just wanted to say thank you so much for your family's sacrifice and the wonderful job your DH does for our country. He and all our soldiers are true and real heros. I hope things are ok with you and I hope your DH remains safe.

Please try and egnore posts like the ones you are replying to. No good can come from it. They are filled with hate and venom and nothing you say regarding your DH will change their minds.

Please don't get upset by these few posts because for every one of them, there are thousands of us who truly appreciate what you, your DH and all his fellow soldiers do for our country every single day.

God bless you and your DH and all our great soldiers!!

 

[Tigger_Magic]

Jynohn, I just wanted to say thank you so much for your family's sacrifice and the wonderful job your DH does for our country. He and all our soldiers are true and real heros. I hope things are ok with you and I hope your DH remains safe.

Please try and egnore posts like the ones you are replying to. No good can come from it. They are filled with hate and venom and nothing you say regarding your DH will change their minds.

Please don't get upset by these few posts because for every one of them, there are thousands of us who truly appreciate what you, your DH and all his fellow soldiers do for our country every single day.

God bless you and your DH and all our great soldiers!!

Well said! The only thing I can add is ditto to everything quoted.

 

[lyeag]

Their dedication absolutely has a bearing on this issue. You stated that you can't believe they would sacrifice their own lives and those of their families in order to blindly follow a president who is only in it for oil money, etc. That, in my opinion, is pretty insulting. If you honestly believe that then you obviously do not have much respect for them. They are dedicated to defending this country in whatever way they are called to do so. Soldiers don't get to pick and choose the battles they engage in. They can and do voice their opinions however in the voting booth and in their decisions to re-enlist (which my husband proudly did).

They are defending our country by fighting terrorism over there so they don't have to do it in our back yard. If you don't believe that to be the case, so be it. But the men and women who are putting their very lives on the line obviously do. It's easy for you to call their decisions and beliefs into question when you're not the one out there fighting.

Well said. My dh has been over there and we are awaiting word on if he will be leaving us again in a few months. Don't be discouraged, there are plenty of people who support the military.

 

[Jynohn]

I hope things are ok with you and I hope your DH remains safe.

Please try and egnore posts like the ones you are replying to. No good can come from it. They are filled with hate and venom and nothing you say regarding your DH will change their minds.

Please don't get upset by these few posts because for every one of them, there are thousands of us who truly appreciate what you, your DH and all his fellow soldiers do for our country every single day.

God bless you and your DH and all our great soldiers!!

Thank you, as always, for your kind words. You are, of course, absolutely right. I usually try to avoid replying to these threads but once in a while I stupidly allow myself to get involved. Somehow I feel like it's the only way I can do my part, to speak out on behalf of the soldiers I know personally who believe 100% in what they are fighting for. I feel so sad for them knowing that they are over there listening to all of this on the media and how it must make them feel

I think I'll take your advice and duck out of this one now too. Thanks again for your kindness!

Jynohn

 

[noseybuddy]

I support our troops. I am thankful to the military for all they do.. But I think Bush made a big mistake sending them over there. 2000 dead and I don't even know how many were injured, and no end in sight, just think it is time for them to come home. I support our troops, but I do not support Bush. Frankly I think he is not qualified to be President.