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Updated ADA rules posted today

Discussion in 'disABILITIES!' started by Justin Jett, Jul 26, 2010.

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  1. KPeveler

    KPeveler Moderator Moderator

    I doubt that you will find people checking for proof of disability before renting the Segways. In fact, if the person needs it for a disability, it would be illegal to ask for proof of a disability, just like Disney cannot ask for proof of a disability before renting out an ECV or wheelchair. And a disability placard does not mean anything other than the person cannot walk more than 200 feet without some kind of assistance or is blind etc... I had a wheelchair for months before getting my disability placard. Some people do not have one because they live in cities and do not drive, etc.

    Asking if a person has experience with a Segway is perfectly legal and SHOULD be asked. I doubt, however, that many companies will. I am guessing that many companies that already rent wheelchairs and ECVs will just add Segways to their websites...
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  3. peemagg

    peemagg <font color=blue>We are doing the AKL tri-fecta<br

    Personally I think it is kind of like the difference with using a manual wheelchair and a power wheelchair. Most of the people who use a power chair have to have experience with it before renting from an outside company. Does that stop me a person who has never used one from renting one? No. I can lie and say that I have experience and the company has to take my word on it. I think the same will go with the Segways and rental companies. Anyone who wants to rent one will be allowed to if they have the cash. A company will have no way of knowing whether or not I know how to use one safely. They might even just have you get on and show them you can ride a bit (anyone who has done one of the tours could bluff their way through this. It doesn't mean that they are experienced or have any right on the thing unsupervised), then leave and the person is on their own. No real safe way to judge how it can be safely rented to anyone, without going against ADA laws and asking for proof of disability and proof of experience.
  4. fredkap

    fredkap Earning My Ears

    The new regs create two tiers of mobility devices. Tier one are devices designed predominantly as mobility devices which retain the present legal protections and tier two which predominately covers Segways which are devices that were not predominately designed as mobility devices but are used as mobility devices by some of their users. Tier 2/Segway users are permitted access under the new rules where they must provide a valid state issued disability placard or may give a verbal representation not contradicted by visual observation.

    A business renting Segways for use within Disney would want to verify that their customer and machine are not turned away at the door. They would be within their rights to request a copy of a state issued disability placard. They would be within their rights to verify that the potential user has sufficient experience to use the device within the Disney parks. I would guess that those that want to use a machine without presenting a placard might have their experience verified more carefully. Disney could have all Segway users stop by their Segway tours location and be verified by the staff there. At this point in time there are probably less than 100 requests per year from qualified individuals to use a Segway within both Disneyland and Disney World. This is very manageable.
  5. livndisney

    livndisney DIS Veteran

    So ANYONE could use a Segway in the park by simply saying "I need one". The point many are trying to make here is who at Disney (or any other park for that matter) is qualified or will actually tell a guest no based on "visual observation"?

    As far as "probably less than 100 requests" a year...... What is this based on?
  6. kaytieeldr

    kaytieeldr Reserving the right to make jokes out of typos - b

    I don't think the concern is with disabled Seqway users. I think the concern is the fakers. How do you safely chase down someone speeding on a Segway?

    :confused3 See, that standard makes no sense to me. Someone with no vehicle and no access to a vehicle won't have a state-issued disability placard. Its sole purpose is for parking. On the other hand, my sibling and my dad each had one, yet neither of them should ever have gone near a Segway!
  7. BillSears

    BillSears Mouseketeer

    Asking for a disabled parking permit makes no sense. My parking permit would be back at my car in the handicapped parking spot.
  8. kaytieeldr

    kaytieeldr Reserving the right to make jokes out of typos - b

    This makes no sense to me. How can I park my car in a handicap parking space if I have to present the placard to use a Segway as my mobility assistance device in the park? What if I have a plate and not a placard?
    Really? A copy isn't valid anywhere else.
    You know this is the World Wide Web, where information spreads faster than wildfire, right? There are ALREADY websites with detailed descriptions how to change out the keys so the fast keys look slow, along with what the abled need to say and do to use Segways in the parks. No rental company needs to do anything shady. Human nature has THAT covered.
  9. Gwinfred

    Gwinfred Earning My Ears

    Look folks Disney isn't an island if this nightmare you envision were going to happen why hasn't it already happened at Universal they've allowed Segways for years!

    No issues at all Nada!
  10. livndisney

    livndisney DIS Veteran

    Again apples to oranges. Universal is in no way as accessible as Disney and has fewer guests per year.
  11. SueM in MN

    SueM in MN <font color=red>It's like combining the teacups wi Moderator

    I am going to close this thread at this time because there has been some argument (which I deleted).
    It may be opened back up after KPeveler and I have a chance to discuss it.

    For right now, I am leaving with some links to past threads. The issues are different, but there are quite a few interesting facts and interesting discussion:
    Segway discussion June 2009

    Segway discussion October 2007 (with a link in the first page in my post to an earlier thread).
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