Top of the world lounge??

[Deb & Bill]

... But, am always true to myself and have no problem defending a position...

Sorry, in this case, you really have no defense. Take it up with DVC Member Satisfaction.

 

[lodge]

We just get a limo or town car when we're spending lavishly. No parking problems at all!

 

[lodge]

while in principle , i can see your point based on being common sense. however, your rationalization is off track. it does matter how much green you are spending else- where on property , you still did not pay a single penny to park @ the resort. it's wdw & it is evident over & over how guests given an inch , takes a mile. don't know about towing but i saw cars there with boots. and this is our home resort...dang will i , anymore accept others parking in front our resort while i have to park in the "boonies". i will do my own lil'-problem solving.

that's as far as I read then read your signature...."lil' grumpy is really a big sweetie".... Made me laugh!

I did read on after...and the $3500k= $3,500,000.....great stuff!

Edited to say:.... and his response to that too. A little humor goes a long way, especially when you can laugh at yourself.

 

[tjkraz]

And, I 100% support you and any guest staying on-site at BLT. You do come first and I am a distant 2nd. Believe me when I tell you we took the furthest slots available and never encroached at searching down by the entrance. We had a lengthy walk - did not bother me.

Easily remedied:

Idea 1: Cordon off a large part of the lot for DVC staying members and those with Dining Ressies. You can only get in to that reserved area with a room card, magic band or parking slip given to you by the guards. This is not the exception but the rule all throughout Europe - even at hotels which charge 49 Euros a night - the technology and equipment is very, very inexpensive. If a small Best Western in a flea-bag town in Hamburg can afford it, why cant WDW?

Idea 2: BLT management, who has at their fingertips occupancy stats, make a judgement call each day and instruct the Guards on what the "Policy of the Day" should be.

Problem is, that creates uncertainties for members.

They allow you to park the first three times. Next time you visit, you're turned away due to excess capacity. Most people would be rather upset at receiving the mixed messages, and being told they must alter their plans on the fly. For many people, the uncertainty would result in there not being a fifth, sixth or seventh visit.

Contemporary guests and BLT owners are entitled to priority access to available parking. And not merely subject to the best guesses of resort management and security staff.

The Magic Kingdom bus depot is a 5 minute walk from BLT. It's one of the most easily-accessible locations in all of Walt Disney World.

 

[LisaS]

I do think it is a silly rule. And, am not asking the DIS-Board members to provide a remedy.

Remedies for extremely simple issues should be provided by a company that:

• Gave the CEO a $40 Million pay pacakge in 2012 - but - unwilling to spend 200K on more parking.
• Make huge profits on the back of Minimum Wage workers who are not given the opportunity to think for themselves.
• Encourage DVC members to come and spend money at TOTW, but, encourage you to do it on their terms.

Feel free to lobby to boot me from the Dis-Boards! Many disagree with me on this and many other topics. But, am always true to myself and have no problem defending a position.

I am a customer, and, while I support 90% of what WDW provides, am willing to be a squeaky wheel on that 10%. I think this is a great place to honestly discuss things!

If you disagree - then PM me.

You make some valid points. If I am having dinner at the CR then I'm allowed to park there. If guests plan to spend money in the TOWL it would be nice to offer them the same courtesy. The problem is that an ADR can be verified, a plan to spend money cannot. And what about the guests who go to TOWL just for the fireworks and then leave? A lot of people do that. Should they be allowed to park there too? If not, should DVC establish a minimum dollar amount you must spend to be entitled to park in the lot? How do they enforce that? And how does the guard know for sure these people are even going to TOWL? Maybe they just want a parking spot within walking distance of the MK so they can pop into the park for the parade or the fireworks.

Again, I see your point but given the abuses many have witnessed at the main parking lot at BWV, I think the current policy makes sense.

 

[Minniesgal]

Deb/Bill - I guess I started this rant. As I stated - I had zero clue of this rule. And, if you read my 1st post I said: Not sure who said you cannot park there - we flashed our room key - explained we are going up for desert and drinks at the TOW and we are DVC members. No issue's let us park there 3 nights in a row! Maybe at very busy times - you may have an issue. But, if you are planning to spend money and they have open slots. I do think it is a silly rule. And, am not asking the DIS-Board members to provide a remedy. Remedies for extremely simple issues should be provided by a company that: [*]Gave the CEO a $40 Million pay pacakge in 2012 - but - unwilling to spend 200K on more parking. [*]Make huge profits on the back of Minimum Wage workers who are not given the opportunity to think for themselves. [*]Encourage DVC members to come and spend money at TOTW, but, encourage you to do it on their terms. Feel free to lobby to boot me from the Dis-Boards! Many disagree with me on this and many other topics. But, am always true to myself and have no problem defending a position. I am a customer, and, while I support 90% of what WDW provides, am willing to be a squeaky wheel on that 10%. I think this is a great place to honestly discuss things! If you disagree - then PM me.

I don't want to be inflammatory but I do find this attitude both elitist and entitled. It shouldn't matter whether you are going to drop $3500, $ 350000 or even just $ 3.5 the rule apply to you the same as to those who are spending a lot less. I appreciate that you didn't know and to be honest security didn't help because they shouldn't have let you in but the rules clearly state no parking it is written in black and white. When people start to pick and choose which rules to follow that's when things start to breakdown for everyone. One or two extra cars isn't a problem but if everyone did it it would be a nightmare. Owners and guests will tell you parking at BLT can be very painful for residents.

To be honest if you are entertaining. Customers, staying at the Waldorf and dropping huge sums in TOTW then you should be able to afford the cost of a taxi if you don't fancy parking at TTC rather than trying to change the rules to suit your needs.

 

[Lil' Grumpy]

yes,,,i think it was on/with purpose to present his feelings
toward a situation that we only "see" @ wdw.

while i see the points....i just think it is nice to remember that
there are always 2 sides to Q-story.



*
now for a lil'wandering & since i am expression about me, i
may in~deeds.....waffle around-just a lil' bit . first things first...

...my current influence is my current world, watching in~ception.

why? a movie of make believe that like to play tricks on the
audience ...mind/mind. however, the thing i think that holds more
fascination....is "pure reality".

so much we miss by our ways of thinking when the most important
knowledge we need is/are dismissed.

will make /use the topic presented here in hopes of not losing
my points. i pounded this & similar ways of thinking, not for
winning or trying to change another feeling/s or viewpoint but
as a warning against relying on rationalization for a coping
skill or a defensive mechanism. yes , most of the topic/s
are not life or death..but practicing rationalizing can /does
leave to many of life worst disappointments and/or loss
of health, even death.

as you boldly presented, these types of intrusive behaviors are
frequently seen here , all over the boards. so the key, keys
in maintaining one's own happy feelings while @ wdw so
intruders don't take /affect the time /the expectations/ desires
for going & of course spending all that $ .....without wasting
time, precious wdw time.

fyi...i have my own theory about some of these "crossroads".
based on seeing certain types repeating rituals that they are
reporting as "magic moments". when others read , i think
too many adopt/accept the observations as prn & must do,
in order for them to have the same magical feelings. in
reality , i think it behooves every family to determine their
own magical time--that is, we make our own expectations
based on our family interests---therefore, all our trips have
been special but very , very different....& funny enough,
they include the "problems/obstacles" we have encountered
...that changed /lead us to different paths..that we would not
made if left to our own accord.....funny, huh?

yes , ok....i do, @ myself. and i like playing around
with reality because.....of discovery. all my life , in all my
travels & as far as i can remember backwards...my encounters
have been privilege, just by paying attention. in fact, i came
up with a t~test that suggested "reality" can be 2 things.
wanta know ?....( a single point and or numerous points ,
contained by 2 margins. ) yep that's me...defined by my hobby
to fine new "ways of thinking". especially those with new
ideas for improving quality of life. * but years ago, i begin
to realized their are important/significant knowledge that
a generation valued so high, that they try to passed onto
the new generation via novels, research, traditions,
cultures..so forth. we are dismissing /losing great knowledge
that will hurt all the really important values...time, sharing,
protecting, & so forth ......so much , & a good ex, is
like "don't throw the baby out with wash." wise tales are
exactly that. hidden wisdom for those that think about
it.

back to the movie. why? reality that's why....most accept that
movies / tv are not in reality, but they miss the lesson being
taught. actors/actresses ....are role playing ,& are defined to
tell the story. in true reality, all of us do not meet a specific
type...as all us are not 100% good or bad, instead we
have traits that are effected by our feelings & they changed.
sometime by the observer so that pending one choice,
you can be on their good or bad side...just for being you.

i am special for being a nobody ...that position give freedom
in being an observer & a learner. i pay attention to paying
attention because i think there are 2 types.

see? the above subject is "asking" how far can i go before i
commit a wrong. ok, here the facts i was taught & combined
with i learn from sharing with others. your rights end when
your actions/speech, begins to hurt another....& you will
recognize this boundary is listening--when the person tells
you so. ( they will only do this if they trust you or are
important to them) . otherwise , (get the wise part~)
....using logic/common sense /& past experiences for a
guide. when you become aware, you stop...& whatever you
can "add" as a corrective measure....i am sorry, so forth-
demonstrate respect/caring a personal value. cool , really is!
respect ......,

as in this case, you see all the $ you are spending has not a
single penny for stealing ( reality) of parking from a person
staying , that did pay for that space but no longer there
as it should be.....even if it is my old, beat up jalopy. truth.

...i think ( @ least 4 me) ..& especially since i rely on reality
orientation as a primary intervention ..to help others toward
health recovery, to defined it with a boundary definition ...
" reality is a fact that was true yesterday as it is today &
the same tomorrow. hint , anything meeting this definition
works well as a tool for "measurement."

human dynamics is just the reference to coping skills that
works in the real world. time is your most prized possession,
because once it is spent, cannot be restored. and being
true, means those you spend it with & share depends on
the ways you treat others. therefore, the ways you treat
others have a positive/negative results toward your
life. now that does not need any more explanation ...
except, i like to add...this lil'observation....i have
learn...( i am impressed with the ways life matters
are set up, interconnected , with all the pieces fitting
together......the designs are superior to any man knowledge.)

oh, i am leaving proper english out for "shortcuts." if
i am thinking so can you. yes i am lazy & easy going
for the most part. ,

...the above, based on placing a high value on your "time',
means it does you no good by wasting time being mean, nasty,
rude, intrusive, judging, so forth behaviors....because
such actions limit /reduce positive time for gains. there
are no second chances & your choices become your
legacy...for here, think about it.....if you spend all yuor
time hurting others to gain $ , all thru life....you are
missing the fact that you are still aging......& eventually
one day when you wake up, old /feeble 100+,
...with the realization....not a single person left that
care if you die or live, can be a real reality..... loneliness ,
an emotional pain with grief , often lead to strong
feelings toward suicide.

so is it worth it? hurting others is not so easy to forget.
in reality, we have memories. see why we suggest-
do the things today you will want to remember
tomorrow, is also the best way to prevent regret?

just one more lesson like to share...the bible speaks
a warning not to judge others. i believe the main point
(like so many others) are missed....it's primary message
is not to judge oneself...as "giving up" because all
mankind lacks the power to make the final say.

and based on human dynamics, it is evident that if we
really want to make the world a better place, then we
need to do self improvement. if we accomplished any
of that--then we effect all those we interact q day.

so if you are really paying attention ( not to me as i
am nothing but a nobody )......then you recognized
why i "hammer" the faults/dangers relying on rationalizations
to defend "behaviors" , when in reality - behooves all
of us to make a different choice. see? we can make
a difference....

the movie is done..so am i . wouldn't it be nice if we
were given second chances, i wonder?

oh, in the d.~spirit......hope this makes a lil' sense &
my best /happy thought for a day.

 

[Tink2312]

There seems to be one CM that is a stickler for the member cards. They were not there on Oct 14th when I checked in! I only had to show my room key.

And this is my favorite:

That looks delish - what is it? I'm back at BLT in 4 days

 

[NJ Dance Mom]

Here's a question:

My family and I will be arriving Monday evening. We are not DVC members, my parents are, and we are staying on their points. If I bring their membership card with me, will my family and I be granted access to the lounge?

Thanks in advance for your help!

NJDanceMom

 

[Deb & Bill]

Here's a question:

My family and I will be arriving Monday evening. We are not DVC members, my parents are, and we are staying on their points. If I bring their membership card with me, will my family and I be granted access to the lounge?

Thanks in advance for your help!

NJDanceMom

Maybe. It just depends on how closely they look at the member ID and the KTTW.

 

[bom_noite]

You make some valid points. If I am having dinner at the CR then I'm allowed to park there. If guests plan to spend money in the TOWL it would be nice to offer them the same courtesy. The problem is that an ADR can be verified, a plan to spend money cannot. And what about the guests who go to TOWL just for the fireworks and then leave? A lot of people do that. Should they be allowed to park there too? If not, should DVC establish a minimum dollar amount you must spend to be entitled to park in the lot? How do they enforce that? And how does the guard know for sure these people are even going to TOWL? Maybe they just want a parking spot within walking distance of the MK so they can pop into the park for the parade or the fireworks.

Again, I see your point but given the abuses many have witnessed at the main parking lot at BWV, I think the current policy makes sense.

Lisa - I was so hot on this issue -I self-imposed a 6 month timeout for myself. I hear what you say - but would answer back:

Disney changed the TOTW rules because they were not making enough money on the folks staying there - simply put. I dont think you can ask a guard to say - you are more then willing to park here if you intend to spend money. They set the rule - but - obviously never trained the staff. If they had - I would have been given a NO SIR and I would have had to go somewhere else to park.

Each night we were there we had 2 cars. Each night others came from parks - there WDW jobs - etc and met us there. On average - we had 10 folks and over the 3 nights I spent $600 entertaining not clients - but friends and family.

While $600 does not break me - it is $600 it is a BMW Payment. We drive down to WDW in a 98 Rodeo - not a BMW.

I drove to CR and kindly asked the guards for entry - had they said no - we would have gone and found other parking. They welcomed me with open arms.

If WDW want's to set rules - they need to enforce them. It is somewhat rude to think I felt entitled? Anyone who drives a 98 Isuzu Rodeo is not entitled. Entitled NO ridiculed YES! As I stated I had no idea of the rule - I asked kindly to enter the pearly gate and permission was granted. Please don't think I got out and forced the guard to capitulate with my personal demands. If you drive a 2013 BMW - you can do this - people who drive 98 Isuzu Rodeos need to go a different route.

I am still fired up on this issue. But, to anyone I offended - my apologies - was never my intent.

 

[bom_noite]

yes,,,i think it was on/with purpose to present his feelings
toward a situation that we only "see" @ wdw.

while i see the points....i just think it is nice to remember that
there are always 2 sides to Q-story.



*
now for a lil'wandering & since i am expression about me, i
may in~deeds.....waffle around-just a lil' bit . first things first...

...my current influence is my current world, watching in~ception.

why? a movie of make believe that like to play tricks on the
audience ...mind/mind. however, the thing i think that holds more
fascination....is "pure reality".

so much we miss by our ways of thinking when the most important
knowledge we need is/are dismissed.

will make /use the topic presented here in hopes of not losing
my points. i pounded this & similar ways of thinking, not for
winning or trying to change another feeling/s or viewpoint but
as a warning against relying on rationalization for a coping
skill or a defensive mechanism. yes , most of the topic/s
are not life or death..but practicing rationalizing can /does
leave to many of life worst disappointments and/or loss
of health, even death.

as you boldly presented, these types of intrusive behaviors are
frequently seen here , all over the boards. so the key, keys
in maintaining one's own happy feelings while @ wdw so
intruders don't take /affect the time /the expectations/ desires
for going & of course spending all that $ .....without wasting
time, precious wdw time.

fyi...i have my own theory about some of these "crossroads".
based on seeing certain types repeating rituals that they are
reporting as "magic moments". when others read , i think
too many adopt/accept the observations as prn & must do,
in order for them to have the same magical feelings. in
reality , i think it behooves every family to determine their
own magical time--that is, we make our own expectations
based on our family interests---therefore, all our trips have
been special but very , very different....& funny enough,
they include the "problems/obstacles" we have encountered
...that changed /lead us to different paths..that we would not
made if left to our own accord.....funny, huh?

yes , ok....i do, @ myself. and i like playing around
with reality because.....of discovery. all my life , in all my
travels & as far as i can remember backwards...my encounters
have been privilege, just by paying attention. in fact, i came
up with a t~test that suggested "reality" can be 2 things.
wanta know ?....( a single point and or numerous points ,
contained by 2 margins. ) yep that's me...defined by my hobby
to fine new "ways of thinking". especially those with new
ideas for improving quality of life. * but years ago, i begin
to realized their are important/significant knowledge that
a generation valued so high, that they try to passed onto
the new generation via novels, research, traditions,
cultures..so forth. we are dismissing /losing great knowledge
that will hurt all the really important values...time, sharing,
protecting, & so forth ......so much , & a good ex, is
like "don't throw the baby out with wash." wise tales are
exactly that. hidden wisdom for those that think about
it.

back to the movie. why? reality that's why....most accept that
movies / tv are not in reality, but they miss the lesson being
taught. actors/actresses ....are role playing ,& are defined to
tell the story. in true reality, all of us do not meet a specific
type...as all us are not 100% good or bad, instead we
have traits that are effected by our feelings & they changed.
sometime by the observer so that pending one choice,
you can be on their good or bad side...just for being you.

i am special for being a nobody ...that position give freedom
in being an observer & a learner. i pay attention to paying
attention because i think there are 2 types.

see? the above subject is "asking" how far can i go before i
commit a wrong. ok, here the facts i was taught & combined
with i learn from sharing with others. your rights end when
your actions/speech, begins to hurt another....& you will
recognize this boundary is listening--when the person tells
you so. ( they will only do this if they trust you or are
important to them) . otherwise , (get the wise part~)
....using logic/common sense /& past experiences for a
guide. when you become aware, you stop...& whatever you
can "add" as a corrective measure....i am sorry, so forth-
demonstrate respect/caring a personal value. cool , really is!
respect ......,

as in this case, you see all the $ you are spending has not a
single penny for stealing ( reality) of parking from a person
staying , that did pay for that space but no longer there
as it should be.....even if it is my old, beat up jalopy. truth.

...i think ( @ least 4 me) ..& especially since i rely on reality
orientation as a primary intervention ..to help others toward
health recovery, to defined it with a boundary definition ...
" reality is a fact that was true yesterday as it is today &
the same tomorrow. hint , anything meeting this definition
works well as a tool for "measurement."

human dynamics is just the reference to coping skills that
works in the real world. time is your most prized possession,
because once it is spent, cannot be restored. and being
true, means those you spend it with & share depends on
the ways you treat others. therefore, the ways you treat
others have a positive/negative results toward your
life. now that does not need any more explanation ...
except, i like to add...this lil'observation....i have
learn...( i am impressed with the ways life matters
are set up, interconnected , with all the pieces fitting
together......the designs are superior to any man knowledge.)

oh, i am leaving proper english out for "shortcuts." if
i am thinking so can you. yes i am lazy & easy going
for the most part. ,

...the above, based on placing a high value on your "time',
means it does you no good by wasting time being mean, nasty,
rude, intrusive, judging, so forth behaviors....because
such actions limit /reduce positive time for gains. there
are no second chances & your choices become your
legacy...for here, think about it.....if you spend all yuor
time hurting others to gain $ , all thru life....you are
missing the fact that you are still aging......& eventually
one day when you wake up, old /feeble 100+,
...with the realization....not a single person left that
care if you die or live, can be a real reality..... loneliness ,
an emotional pain with grief , often lead to strong
feelings toward suicide.

so is it worth it? hurting others is not so easy to forget.
in reality, we have memories. see why we suggest-
do the things today you will want to remember
tomorrow, is also the best way to prevent regret?

just one more lesson like to share...the bible speaks
a warning not to judge others. i believe the main point
(like so many others) are missed....it's primary message
is not to judge oneself...as "giving up" because all
mankind lacks the power to make the final say.

and based on human dynamics, it is evident that if we
really want to make the world a better place, then we
need to do self improvement. if we accomplished any
of that--then we effect all those we interact q day.

so if you are really paying attention ( not to me as i
am nothing but a nobody )......then you recognized
why i "hammer" the faults/dangers relying on rationalizations
to defend "behaviors" , when in reality - behooves all
of us to make a different choice. see? we can make
a difference....

the movie is done..so am i . wouldn't it be nice if we
were given second chances, i wonder?

oh, in the d.~spirit......hope this makes a lil' sense &
my best /happy thought for a day.

When will the Movie Version of this post be coming out?

 

[Sur]

When will the Movie Version of this post be coming out?

lol

 

[disneynutz]

DVC and the resort are separate units. I am sure that DVC let the resort know that they were going to increase TOWL attendance and the resort didn't want an increase in cars entering the resort or the line at security blocking traffic.

Bill

 

[LisaS]

I drove to CR and kindly asked the guards for entry - had they said no - we would have gone and found other parking. They welcomed me with open arms.

If WDW want's to set rules - they need to enforce them.

When you drove over there you didn't know the rules. You were honest with the guard at the gate about why you were there and the guard let you in. No problem. Now you know the rules so it is up to you what you do the next time.

We don't always rent a car but did have one the last time we went to TOWL. We left the car at BWV and took Disney transportation over and back. Why? because that is what we've been asked to do. But even if we were allowed to park there we would still take Disney transportation or a taxi because we don't drink and drive. Having transportation provided for us allows us to enjoy an adult beverage in the lounge and not worry about getting back to our resort afterwards. With the MK bus area within an easy walk of BLT, it's very easy to get there and back using Disney transportation.

 

[bom_noite]

DVC and the resort are separate units. I am sure that DVC let the resort know that they were going to increase TOWL attendance and the resort didn't want an increase in cars entering the resort or the line at security blocking traffic.

Bill

Bill - the most logical argument I have heard to date. I agree.

 

[bom_noite]

When you drove over there you didn't know the rules. You were honest with the guard at the gate about why you were there and the guard let you in. No problem. Now you know the rules so it is up to you what you do the next time.

We don't always rent a car but did have one the last time we went to TOWL. We left the car at BWV and took Disney transportation over and back. Why? because that is what we've been asked to do. But even if we were allowed to park there we would still take Disney transportation or a taxi because we don't drink and drive. Having transportation provided for us allows us to enjoy an adult beverage in the lounge and not worry about getting back to our resort afterwards. With the MK bus area within an easy walk of BLT, it's very easy to get there and back using Disney transportation.

Good Points Lisa - and - yes we always had Designated Drivers.