POLL: Is it okay to join your party in line?

[BecBennett]

I guess the main reason I think this way is because in most cases, having one person join the group late is not going to affect the wait time of the people behind them.

 

[dellen72]

Long time lurker, first time poster...(btw, thanks disboards for the awesome information over the years!)

- I answered "No" because the OP's question ("Is it okay to have a person join the line after getting FPs elsewhere?") implies two things: 1. the individual was never in line in the first place; & 2. the reason for joining the line is not due to an emergency but to collect FPs. Both of these things don't seem fair to the people waiting in line.

- I would have answered "Yes" if the question was "Is it okay to have a person re-join the line after an emergency?" I realize "emergency" is up to interpretation, but at least in this situation: 1. the individual was waiting in line most of the time like everyone else; & 2. an emergency would be unexpected, not for personal gain (FPs), & not a regular practice.

It seemed like several comments were about this second question (e.g. needing to take a toddler to the restroom), so just wanted to point out that the OP's question was specifically about getting FPs & then joining their group in line. While we usually don't know why people are joining the line, in this hypothetical case, we actually do know that it's because the person was getting FPs.

 

[lightweight]

I never experienced line cutting as bad as I did this summer. I admit that on 3 occasions our family was guilty of this and felt really bad, but one was child going potty, one was myself and the other was my husband joining us after work.

I had two really bad incidents this yer but one especially stood out. Ds6, dd4 and I were waiting in line for our first trip on RSR and had about a 2 hour wait. There was a family ahead of us, a mother and we 3 sons aged 8-11 I think. They never moved with the line and we were constantly waiting but whatever that happens. Then the three kids left for the washroom and the mom turned to me and let me know they would be coming back and understanding like a mother I was like yeah no problem. So they come back after a bit and start head butting each other and pushing each other in line nearly ramming into my kids a few times and mom doesn't say a word so already I am annoyed with this family but they were here first so I'm stuck. Then they start waving people in and hour into the line and another family of 4 joins them (mom, 2 daughters and a son). Annoyed but what am I going to do. Kids get worse at this point because more of them and both moms are so busy talking they pay no attention to their kids. About a half hour later they invite two more adults into line (look to be a couple). So yeah the family of 4 became a family of 10! Could not believe it! I am ok with 1 or 2 but this was ridiculous and all w ere perfectly capable of waiting in line themselves and thyroid did talk about rides they were on instead of waiting in line

And they most definitely affected our wait time because on top of numbers, they w ere the last group let through before they stopped the line to let fast passers through lol.

Looking for time to do a trip report. Had an amazing time at the Hilton!

 

[lightweight]

Just reading back and don't understand the logic of some posts. So if someone waits an hour and a half in a RSR line for example and suddenly needs to use the washroom they need get out of line??? These lines are long and hot and people are chugging water in them. Sometimes adults and a lot of time kids need to go. By this logic you could stand in line all day. What fun! I get it it can get annoying but some situations require a common sense judgement.

 

[mama2dutchies]

Okay SO I see some are very against people going through the line.. EVEN with a small child.. (PS even if you take a kid potty its not uncommon for 20 mins later for them to have to go again..)

BUT this is my question for those who don't like seeming people come through to join families..How do you feel when the person has excused themselves OUT with a child and comes back to their family? They had already done the wait.. the kid had to go (obviously) and they went back to their family.. it wasn't someone just out messing around and then joins everyone.

 

[modegard]

Okay SO I see some are very against people going through the line.. EVEN with a small child.. (PS even if you take a kid potty its not uncommon for 20 mins later for them to have to go again..)

BUT this is my question for those who don't like seeing people come through to join families..How do you feel when the person has excused themselves OUT with a child and comes back to their family? They had already done the wait.. the kid had to go (obviously) and they went back to their family.. it wasn't someone just out messing around and then joins everyone.

No problem at all. If someone says excuse me, be right back, whatever - and then comes back to where they were - totally understandable. That has no affect on the wait time of anyone. We did this once (for a potty break while waiting to see Aladdin) and asked a Cast Members permission before doing it just to make sure it was okay.

 

[sonjaandsue]

Last trip, I reacted to an incident of preceived "line" cutting. We went to WOC for the first time - you all will know that there is some chaos with WOC seating. We finally figured out the right section and got a spot behind two teenage girls who are right at the railing. About 30 minutes later the section is filled and crowded and one of the girls turns to me and said "We have a couple more people who will be coming back and will need space." I thought there is no way I'm making room for a bunch of teenagers coming in late and I said to the girl very sarcasticaly "Yea, right". She ignored me. A little while later they were joined by their mom and grandfather. I have no idea why they left the section but their return did not affect our view at all. They turned out to be very nice people. I felt like a schmuck. At the very least, I could have asked her "how many people?" or even, "happy to accomodate them as long as we can still see the show". So, now, when I am confronted by something that appears to be rude/unfair I either address it politely & directly or just let it go. Mostly just let it go.

 

[sweethannah]

Okay SO I see some are very against people going through the line.. EVEN with a small child.. (PS even if you take a kid potty its not uncommon for 20 mins later for them to have to go again..)

BUT this is my question for those who don't like seeming people come through to join families..How do you feel when the person has excused themselves OUT with a child and comes back to their family? They had already done the wait.. the kid had to go (obviously) and they went back to their family.. it wasn't someone just out messing around and then joins everyone.

I don't see how anybody can have a problem with is, after all they have been waiting in the line just like you but I presented this same situation earlier and I was met with an " it's black or white and not acceptable. The whole group must get out of the line and then go to the back of the line to start waiting again ".

To me, it's a common sense issue - they are already in line, thus no "cutting" is involved, they are just returning to their spot in line. Like somebody said, in the heat of the summer and guzzling drinks in a 45minute+ line up it's cruel to expect young children to hold their pee all that time or worse, make them feel like they need to hold it beyond the comfort point so their whole family doesn't have to get back to the end of the line or that they'll not get to do the ride they've just waited an hour for.

 

[aleighc1]

One of my favorite quotes to live by:

"In this world, you must be oh so smart, or oh so pleasant. Well, for years I was smart. I recommend pleasant. You may quote me."- Elwood P. Dowd, Harvey


My family has not yet been to Disney, but I can speak from experience in general of waiting in lines or dealing with large crowds. Because of the number of kids I have, my family has to been run with precision or else it's complete chaos. Not all families operate that way though, and I'm not going to inconvenience them more than they already are because their 3 year old suddenly has to go potty 20 minutes into a line. The time I spend with my family is precious, and I'm not going to waste a second of my time or use an ounce of my energy telling another family they cannot pass me, give them the stink eye, or worse, physically preventing them from joining their group. I just don't care. I believe in Karma, and everything will come full circle. If they are actually cutting (have no one waiting for them up in the line), or being rude by smashing into me or my kids, eventually that behavior will catch up to them in life. I'll let them pass just the same, and continue on enjoying the time with my family.

 

[HappyHaunt]

Unfortunately a good portion of the lines don't have a lot of room for one person to be standing in a spot, and then have 2-3 people come shoving their way through the same area. Doesn't matter if they say excuse me or not. Being shoved up against the wall, or the ropes so that people can get by does effect me. I've also been stepped on, elbowed, and shoved. More often then not these things happen. Sorry it's just rude, and I wouldn't be comfortable doing it. Even if I had waited in line before, once I'm out of line that's it.

One time we had two kids in front of us for Dumbo. They asked if we would hold their spot real quick so they could use the restroom. We allowed it. 20 minutes later we see them resting by the Carousel with their Mom in the shade. They tried to come back to their places after we got close to the end. Uh huh, not gonna happen. They ended up behind us. People are just plain rude and will take advantage of you if you let them.

It doesn't ruin my day, and certainly won't ruin my vacation. It's annoying, and I do consider people who do it as rude. Especially if it's because they think their kids are more special then everyone else's to wait in line. Or because they don't know how to parent their own kids to control them in line.

 

[CourtFool]

I think it is interesting to note the language being used. I have seen several people mention 'intent'. How can you really know what someone's intent is? AddictedtoDoleWhip (sorry to single you out, but you are the most vocal) states that cutting is cutting and cutting is "behaving rudely" (please correct me if I am quoting incorrectly).

I try not to assume that people are behaving rudely intentionally. We are all in a hurry at some time. We have all been caught unaware. I try to forgive others as I would hope they would forgive me. I try to give them the benefit of the doubt.

For the most part, I do not think people 'cut' to try and pull one over on others. I do not think they believe their time is more valuable than others. In fact, it may be because they believe their time is equally valuable. They may have been waiting in line longer than you when an unforeseen event arose that required them to leave the line.

It seems to me the concern is a sense of fairness. How can you know what is truly fair without knowing the full situation? In addition, who can truly judge what is fair? We all have a different perception of 'fair' that is formed from personal experiences.

 

[zumfelde]

It is not Ok it is very rude. Cedar Point in Ohio has a policy if you cut your are escorted out of the park. I have seen it happen and everyone cheers. We always plan ahead if you have kids and it is a long line you go to bathrooms first.

 

[JadeDarkstar]

Id like to say
What would Walt say?
He made this place for kids and adults and tho some cutting is rude. I dont think uncle walt would say no you cant get in line with your fam and I dont think he would have an issue with a mom taking a kid to the bathroom or a dad for that fact. I think you all need to think about it as
Do i really want to be a bully and mean and ruin some one elses vacation or do we just get along as family at a family park and wait an extra what 3mins if that? Come on.

To me I think the ops should close this thread soon some ppl are just plane rude while others are not we don't want this to turn in to an argument.

Pick and chose your battles are you really going to make a big deal about some one getting back in line? Then maybe just maybe an amusement park for family's isn't the place you need to be.

(Again a big group 4 or more wouldnt be ok but kids bathroom and parents taking them ive got no issue with no matter if my kid goes before we get in line.

Like others have said kids and adults both have to go some times and and hour or two in line opps might need to go.

 

[june@imsarc.com]

I think it is always wrong, but it is very prevalent in DLR. We were shocked when we saw it repeatedly in July (our first trip to DLR). I do not see it at WDW.

 

[dnamertz]

The fact that I stick to my morals, and follow what I was taught makes you all kinds of mad and that's sad.



See that's my biggest beef, a few years ago I was perfectly okay with certain people leaving but when they would come back they wouldn't say "excuse me", they'd just shove as hard as they could past me and I would almost topple over. And the adult not the child would LAUGH about it as if it was funny that I almost fell over. So, now, I just say I don't feel comfortable with people passing me because of said situation. Does it make me horrible? No, but one bad experience is enough to not to want to repeat that again.

First you call it "cutting" and "immoral" for someone to leave the line and then rejoin their party, and that these were morals you were taught. Now you are saying that just a few years ago you thought this was "perfectly okay". In fact, it sounds like you still think it's okay, you've just stopped allowing the "okay" behavior because others have done it rudely by shoving and not saying "excuse me". What happened to black and white?

Sounds to me that your problem is with people shoving their way back into line or not saying "excuse me", not so much with them rejoining (cutting) the line.

 

[starshine514]

First you call it "cutting" and "immoral" for someone to leave the line and then rejoin their party, and that these were morals you were taught. Now you are saying that just a few years ago you thought this was "perfectly okay". In fact, it sounds like you still think it's okay, you've just stopped allowing the "okay" behavior because others have done it rudely by shoving and not saying "excuse me". What happened to black and white?

Sounds to me that your problem is with people shoving their way back into line or not saying "excuse me", not so much with them rejoining (cutting) the line.

I think opinions can change over time. Think about when you were a kid, your parents taught you their morals, at some point in time while you were a teenager/young adult, you made decisions with which of their morals you agreed with and which you did not. As time went on, you may have realized that you were wrong on some things and your parents were correct. So, you were taught a specific thing, for a while you didn't agree with it, but now you do.

Getting shoved, pushed, and being made to move aside is part of the process of people from behind you moving ahead of you in line and is reason enough for someone to be against it in my opinion.

 

[ben1993]

If they were in the line in the first place and had to momentarily leave for whatever reason, then rejoin, well that doesn't affect my wait time so I wouldn't care, a group of obnoxious teenagers parading past everybody to join their friends, nu-uh, they ain't gettin' pass me

 

[SeanCLV]

I should also add that although it is a minor annoyance to me for people cutting in line and it is not enough for me to get into a confrontation, I have never cut in line at any Disney park.


In fact earlier this week, my 7 yo had to go to the bathroom after we waited 20 minutes on the Star Tours line. So we hopped off line and went to the restroom then got back on line again at the end of the line instead of trying to rejoin our group. My son didn't have any issues with it, he knew the consequences of having to go, and not going before we got on line. It's all part of living in a society, lines are there for a reason. If everyone starts feeling that they are more special than everyone else then things can fall apart quickly, we don't need any more narssasistic people..

My wife and I both noticed more line cutting this time at DL than the last. It is up to Disney staff IMO to make sure line cutting doesn't get out of hand. Perhaps they should put more people on that instead of constantly checking my kids' height with a micrometer to verify that they are indeed 40" tall (they are both 48"). I am not going to start getting into confrontations with people I don't know, and don't know what mental state they are in, over line cutting. I will just vote with my wallet and not go anymore, like what I did with 6 Flags.

Edit: Sorry about the rant, we had a great time at DL, it was more a commentary on people in general, and I know that 99% of people are good. It is just those minor things that a small number of people do that can get under my skin.

 

[dnamertz]

Getting shoved, pushed, and being made to move aside is part of the process of people from behind you moving ahead of you in line and is reason enough for someone to be against it in my opinion.

No, getting shoved aside is the process of people rudely shoving. People politely saying "excuse me" and not pushing is a completely different process.

I think opinions can change over time. Think about when you were a kid, your parents taught you their morals, at some point in time while you were a teenager/young adult, you made decisions with which of their morals you agreed with and which you did not. As time went on, you may have realized that you were wrong on some things and your parents were correct. So, you were taught a specific thing, for a while you didn't agree with it, but now you do.

AddictedToDoleWhip didn't say her opinion changed about rejoining the line. She said she is okay with the act but no longer allows it (even if done respectfully) because someone once did it rudely.

 

[chrissiecutie]

Long time lurker, first time poster...(btw, thanks disboards for the awesome information over the years!)

- I answered "No" because the OP's question ("Is it okay to have a person join the line after getting FPs elsewhere?") implies two things: 1. the individual was never in line in the first place; & 2. the reason for joining the line is not due to an emergency but to collect FPs. Both of these things don't seem fair to the people waiting in line.

- I would have answered "Yes" if the question was "Is it okay to have a person re-join the line after an emergency?" I realize "emergency" is up to interpretation, but at least in this situation: 1. the individual was waiting in line most of the time like everyone else; & 2. an emergency would be unexpected, not for personal gain (FPs), & not a regular practice.

It seemed like several comments were about this second question (e.g. needing to take a toddler to the restroom), so just wanted to point out that the OP's question was specifically about getting FPs & then joining their group in line. While we usually don't know why people are joining the line, in this hypothetical case, we actually do know that it's because the person was getting FPs.

I think this is an excellent point to make!

Seems we've gotten a bit off topic here and ended up with quite the heated debate. I wonder if the OP had any idea their poll would generate such a reaction?

I answered "NO" because I don't feel that it's ok to cut in line. The reason does not matter. As others have said, cutting is cutting. But that's just my opinion and I certainly respect that others have a different view. I respect your right to have your opinion and all I would ask is the same in return. We certainly don't have to agree- that's what makes life interesting sometimes right!

But I also understand that there are indeed gray areas and we don't always know the situation. I'm also a firm believer in Karma & what goes around comes around.

So it's my goal to always conduct myself in a respectful & courteous manner. I worry about me & mine. Plain & simple. I teach my child that cutting is wrong, pushing & shoving to get ahead is wrong & I teach him about forgiveness & understanding. Perhaps that LARGE group of teenagers had a spontaneous attack of diarrhea & only the MOM escaped unscathed. Because really- why else would an adult allow a large group to "join" her in line if it weren't a medical emergency. LOL- ok, clearly I'm having a little fun here...but hopefully you get my point.

No matter which side of the poll you voted for- Relax, worry about yourself & your behavior & don't forget that impressionable young children are watching. If you wouldn't say or do something in front of your child, perhaps you shouldn't say or do it at all?

At the end of the day, the only person we have to answer to is ourselves. If you're ok with your behavior, then really- that's all that matters.