Good/Bad Internet and eBay Pin Sellers

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  1. MountNittany

    MountNittany Why is Tom Morrow going to the Moon? He has enough

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    Thanks ;)
    Like pixie said, check pinpics for possible scrappers, and check this list. Although it is not completely accurate, we try our best. I have found that most individual pins are not scrappers, with few exceptions. There may be a seller that sells scrappers but takes the time to list them all individually. Or, the seller may be selling 99.99% real pins, but that one scrapper gets through.
    They could be... but Disney seriously has low quality control. I know both are possible scrappers, because I had both as scrappers at some point. The best way that I have found to identify scrappers is to compare the official logo between rack pins you bought at the park, and the pins you question (of course, keep in mind new/old backstamp). The font should be exactly the same (sometimes older pins have a slightly different font), and the logo should look the same. If you could post a close up picture of the official logo, we could probably have a good idea.
     
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  3. ppony

    ppony Artist in residence DIS Lifetime Sponsor

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    :laughing: When it doubt, start at the beginning right? :lmao:

    Good tips there and here. ;) I never buy more than 1 at a time and tho it can still be fake, as mentioned, if they allow returns then that's a pretty good indicator that it's worth the risk. :thumbsup2 THANKS!!! I already have my esnipe bid a-waitin' to bid. Haven't bought a pin in about 9 months. :) Happy trading guys!
     
  4. DisneyRunner2009

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    I would like some input from everyone on this thread. What do you think about ebay seller starwars-weekends-2010. He has pins on cards for $1.19. Do these seem legit or scrappers on the black cards? Thanks for your help.
     
  5. pixiewings71

    pixiewings71 <marquee><font color=deeppink>Sweet!!! Totally!!!!

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    They DO re-release pins, they will change the backstamps and re-release the EXACT same pin so it's possible that could be the case with your Pluto. The Mickey heads are known to have scrappers, I have the set but I'm pretty sure some of mine aren't "real". I just made the choice not to care on those and put the set up on my cork board. :) And people say the divets (or slight dips) mean fake but they don't really.....I have some that I bought straight from PT Flea in DCA and they have divets in them...
     
  6. maburke

    maburke DIS Veteran

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    Okay, I've now read the entire thread, and am ready to post. (Though I have to admit that I tried logging into the Dis with my ebay username, I've been so focussed there!)

    First, I'd like to thank pixiewings71, MountNittany, and all the others who have put so much time into this thread, and even their own money to check out sellers when they know they're likely to get junk. When I first heard about scrappers (right after I returned from my recent trip where my daughter got into trading for the first time), I didn't want to care -- I liked going the cheap way and figured if I couldn't tell a scrapper, what difference did it make? But then I was organizing the pins I got on my last trip, and found that one of the pins in a set I had just been so pleased to complete with a trade with a cast member on my last day was an obvious, embarrassingly bad fake. (it says 4 of 6, instead of 4 of 5!!) I also now remember a trade my 6-year old daughter made with a cm who clearly knew his pins, where he pocketed the pin my daughter traded to him, and not with a convincing look when he said he was "saving it.".

    I can understand the feelings of some people who have posted who think the magic will be diminished if they find they have scrappers among their collection, or have to carry a magnifying glass in the parks. But here's a simple suggestion that will go a long way: just DON'T BUY those giant, cheap lots from the known (red) sellers. You CAN get good pins for under $2 plus shipping to trade from the green sellers if you take a little time and care. You may get an occasional scrapper that has slipped through, or you may trade for a scrapper from a cm. But if the scrappers can't make a killing by selling these giant lots, they'll stop doing it, and THAT will diminish the problem.

    Thanks for reading my thoughts.
     
  7. horselover

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    Thanks for the feedback. I ended up ordering a custom 12 pin grab bag of hidden mickey pins from sleepys_emporium. I haven't received them yet but I'll let you know how they are. I mostly just needed some new pins to trade. I like most of the pins I currently have too much to give them away. I don't however want to be responsible for putting more scrappers out there. After reading all the info here I'm going to carefully examine all my pins when we go down in Aug. I keep my pins & lanyard in my owner's locker. Don't know what I'll do if I find out I have some scrappers. I guess I'll just keep them anyway.

    Will post again when my new pins arrive.
     
  8. MountNittany

    MountNittany Why is Tom Morrow going to the Moon? He has enough

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    I'd probably trust the individual pins he is selling, but probably not the lot. You never know, though.
    VERY low quality control
    Excellent post! I agree completely.
    I hated buying from them, because I ended up keeping half of my "traders" because I liked them so much :rotfl:
     
  9. petals

    petals Irish Princess because Cinderella said so!

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    here's the pics of the backs of those pins to see if anyone can identitfy whether they're real or scrappers
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  10. MountNittany

    MountNittany Why is Tom Morrow going to the Moon? He has enough

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    It's really difficult to tell...

    Has anyone ever seen the Walt Disney Script Disney Copyright on the back?
     
  11. pixiewings71

    pixiewings71 <marquee><font color=deeppink>Sweet!!! Totally!!!!

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    Well without seeing the pins Petals I would say your Pluto pins are both real...but only because they "rack" pins and they do re-release those all.the.time.......

    Yes Mt Nittany, low QC but these were LE's in a mystery tin so you couldn't look and you can't return them after you've opened them. And they look great in every way except if you turn them a certain way you can see the divets.....

    Thank You maburke, we appreciate your kind words. :) And we appreciate your input and feedback, I hope you stick around. :)
     
  12. daisy 'n donald

    daisy 'n donald Mouseketeer

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    hi!
    i want to thank you for the recommendations for sellers....i contacted pinderellas_castle and was quoted a good price for 50 trader pins...
    they just arrived today (i think they were mailed out tuesday?)
    they're great! from what i can tell, they look legit to me (i have a scrapper i traded for unknowingly last time so i compared it to that....)
    out of the 50, there's only about a dozen we like and want to keep :)
    now we're re-thinking if 50 is enough.....we went through about 30 in 2 days last time (we just counted up how many we have) so now we're not sure if 50 is enough for 6 days....but we have plenty of time to figure it out...
    just wanted to say pinderella's castle should stay in the green!
     
  13. surfergirl602

    surfergirl602 <font color=deeppink>Well you're one step ahead of

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    we'd go through 50 in about a day. lol We usually trade a couple of hundred (maybe 2-300?) during our 10 day trips. But then again, there's also 5 of us that trade...
     
  14. petals

    petals Irish Princess because Cinderella said so!

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    Thanks for the info guys. I just got concerned if ya like over them *** one pluto was yellow compared to the one i had being a golden colour closer to the colour one would expect pluto to be.
     
  15. pixiewings71

    pixiewings71 <marquee><font color=deeppink>Sweet!!! Totally!!!!

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    Sweet! I'm glad Pindy came thru for you! I've only had great experiences with her. :) We easily go thru 2-300 pins a week too. For our weekend (think Sat-Sun only) trips I would take at least 100 pins...but we have 4 traders so keep that in mind. :) When we went for our longer trips (7 days) we took 2-300 pins and sometimes we ran out! LOL

    Well that's very true, but if they were made in different years it could account for the difference. Disney does that a lot, they like to mess with you like that......lol
     
  16. horselover

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    So I received my grab bag of 12 hidden mickey pins from sleeps_emporium today. I think I may have 4 scrappers in the mix but I just can't tell. I'll be really disappointed if 4 are fakes out of a lot of 12, but I don't want to contact the seller until I'm sure. I looked up each pin on pinpics to compare & see what they said about a possible scrapper. I'll post pics & a short description below.


    Pin #1 - This pin looks to be lighter than the pic on pinpics & the back edges are rough.
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    Pin #2 - Not sure about this one. It's a hidden mickey but it's very, very faint in the top left corner almost like it used to be there & now it's gone. Also pinpics said something about the post on the back being raised and not as close to the pin as the real ones are. It is raised but I'm not sure how high they mean. I compared it to a pin I bought in the parks & that post is raised too (different pin though).
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    Pin #3 - I'm 99% positive this is a scrapper. The colors are faint & when you turn the pin over the stamp is upside down.
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    Pin #4 - Again I'm 99% sure this is also a scrapper. I thought this one was ok at 1st but after examining it closing I realized there is something off in the stamp on the back. Pinpics says the 'C' in Mickey is an 'O' on the scrapper version of this pin. It doesn't exactly look like an "O" but the "c" is not level with the rest of the font & sort of blends into the "i". I couldn't get a good pic of the back.
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    So what do you think? Should I contact sleeps_emporium & tell them these are scrappers & I want 4 new ones?

    Thanks.
     
  17. petals

    petals Irish Princess because Cinderella said so!

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    The last pins I got were from pinderellas_castle. I think they're genuine.
    Last lot are on their way from sleepys_emporium afaik

    Also I used to get all my ebay pins from thewill and they were all brill none of the pins I got from them appear to be scrappers.. think they've stopped posting internationally now though
     
  18. MountNittany

    MountNittany Why is Tom Morrow going to the Moon? He has enough

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    Pin 1, could you give us a bit closer up view of the logo on the back if possible? That would make it a bit easier. Or, compare the font of the year with other pins you have with the older style backstamp.

    Pin 2, check for some dimples. Also, if the post is very close to the top, it probably is a scrapper. I have the orange one, and it's a scrapper. It has dimples all through it.

    Pin 3, definite 100% scrapper. The real ones have the backstamp rightsideup. I have the scrapper version too.

    Pin 4, not a clue.

    Sleepys is going to give you an honest attempt at all real pins. They buy from personal collections etc so there will be scrappers. I got about 10 in a lot of 48. They are really good at shipping you new replacements or refunding you for those pins because they offer a 100% guarantee against scrappers. They told me, "at sleepys, you don't have to settle for scrappers"
     
  19. DisneyRunner2009

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    I am interested in the Warhol pins, too. I thought pinpics mentioned something about the post being closer to the edge of the scrapper pin, as well.
     
  20. MountNittany

    MountNittany Why is Tom Morrow going to the Moon? He has enough

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    I am also going to collect them ;)
     
  21. horselover

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    Here's a closer look at the back on pin #1. (Si face pin)
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    Here's another pic of pin #2. I don't see any dimples on it, but the post is really close to the top. I've never seen so much of the pin back stick up over a pin before. Also I've posted below it the picture from pinpics. Notice how visible & bright the hidden mickey is. Is it possible for them to wear off over time? I find that hard to believe since this is a 2010 release pin.

    My pin
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    What the real pin should look like (courtesy of pinpics)
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    I'm pretty sure all 4 are scrappers, but I just don't want to go around accusing this seller & asking for a refund if I don't know what I'm talking about.

    Thanks for all your help!
     

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