Dolphin Bite 8yr old's hand - glad I watched it

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  1. Julia Ann

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  3. wayneg

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    Saw this on Sky News a few days ago.
    I guess thats why they warn you to put the dish on the wall and not hold it up where the dolphin can see.
    I think we all get complacent in themeparks, always good to be reminded of the dangers.
     
  4. Elise79

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    I have to be honest and say I had the same misconceptions of dolphins until I did Dolphins in Depth at Epcot and since then I have seen them in a completely different light.

    The trainers (and other marine life!) at Epcot have more issues with the dolphins than the sharks in the livings seas tank!
     
  5. bex7583

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    the parents didnt realise she could get bitten?? seriously !!:confused3

    when feeding any animal surely you are aware there is a chance you may get bitten ?
     
  6. jen_uk

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    The father clearly had a lawsuit in mind by the way he forced the child to show her hand :mad: This story really annoys me as there are signs telling you what to do/not to do, its obvious that there is always going to be a small risk and if these people create a real fuss then Seaworld may end up stopping people feeding the dolphins :sad2:
     
  7. Trevski220

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    In the briefing before the feeding, you are specifically told not to move the cardboard dish once they have placed it on the wall in front of you, they go on to say that if you pick it up the dolphins will presume it is food and will likely try to get it!!

    The only people too blame are the Parents for not supervising and ensuring their daughter followed the rules, I'm not heartless and I wouldn't wish harm on anyone's child and its a shame that she was hurt, but for the family to suggest they were unaware that its possible to be hurt by a dolphin is nothing shorting a lie, I also don't understand why they felt the need to publish the video on the Internet (when they promised their daughter nobody would see the video) all they have accomplished is to make seaworld look bad and increase the possibility that children will not be allowed to feed dolphins in the future, 1 Family not following the rules and deciding to publish video on the Internet jeopardises this activity for everyone else in the future!
     
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    Agreed with ALL of the above !
     
  9. MichelinMan

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    Agree with everything that's been said.

    What happened to common sense when it comes to safety?

    Then somebody sues them, they stop the dolphin feeding, and everybody blames 'elf n safety regulations. Used to really bug me when I used to be a HSE inspector that we got blamed for stopping stuff. It wasn't because of our regulations, but because businesses are scared stiff of getting sued by mindless idiots who don't take care of themselves.
     
  10. laura_<3

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    I agree with everything that has been said.

    At the end of the day, there are rules to be followed. I know kids (and adults!) get excited when they're on holiday and in theme parks but there are always going to be risks, especially when you're feeding an animal!
     
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    Ditto.
     
  12. london75

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    I agree on the whole with what's been said but I also think there is an element of awareness by SeaWorld that this might happen hence having the warnings in the first place. Should they even offer it as an option to children just to make $7 more?

    I feel sorry for both sides really. It sounds to me like they just shouldn't offer these interactions with what are non-domesticated animals at the end of the day.
     
  13. chmurf

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    Dolphins are wild animals, even if they are trained.
    People seem to forget this, because dolphins are cute and have a "benevolent" reputation

    Now would people let their 7 year old feed a baby lion, because it's cute and trained, and let the kid wave a piece of meat in front of the cute "kitty" ?
    I guess not, or they'd be asking for trouble.

    There are safety guidelines and rules.
    Parents know if their kid can understand and heed those guidelines.

    It's sad for the little girl, but I wouldn't blame seaworld or the dolphin.

    Parents are supposed to supervise children at all times. It's written all over the place at Disneyworld's for example.

    Now what's next ? A kid gets past the restraint on Dumbo, while mommy's busy tweeting on her iphone, the kid falls and the family sues because the ride is unsafe ? Theme parks should not allow people to ride on such unsafe and dangerous rides ... let's close them down for the greater good ...

    come on ...
     
  14. london75

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    Yes but lets not be naive, SeaWorld are not just targeting adults, they are targeting anyone that will give them $7 and maybe they should just use a little more discretion. Not everyone is super-smart like us or super brilliant parents like us and like it or not, they do have a responsibility for the actions of the animals as they chose to allow minors to feed them for money!
     
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    You don't need to be "super smart" just follow the simple rule "don't pick up the tray" and I don't feel they have responsibility for anything that happens as a direct consequence of somebody breaking the rules, along the lines mentioned by another member above would it be Disney's fault if a child reached out of a boat on splash mountain and hurt their hand, despite the fact they it says everywhere and you are told to keep your hands inside at all times?
     
  16. meggiebeth

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    The parents should have been watching their child! A dolphin is a wild animal- a cute one but wild all the same.

    That said, I really dislike the way SeaWorld keeps them cooped up in such a small tank. I feel so sorry for them.

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  17. chmurf

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    I do agree with this

    BUT

    is Seaworld really targeting the younger ones to make $7 more bucks ?

    feeding the dolphins is a wonderful experience for a 7 years old.
    But on a broader spectrum, when is young too young ?

    I know some 30 years old who can't follow basic rules ... you've seen them too, many times, in the parks, queue jumping, smoking, littering, you name it ... or people who think they're too smart and the safety guidelines do not apply to them ...

    Does this means that, because some people can't behave, it's the park's responsibility to forbid the activity for everyone else ? Can we really blame them, arguing that it's all for the money ?

    it's a wide subject ...
    is it the park's responsibility to check the health record of a guest against heart or other conditions to ensure this guest is able to ride ?

    The world where seaworld is held responsible for this accident is a world where, next time you go buy a hamburger at a quick service, you'll need to provide a medical certificate proving that your cholesterol level and blood pressure are within reasonable range, so that you do not risk a heart attack as a result of eating a high calories, high fat and salt burger ...
    A world where restaurants will refuse to serve you a dish because they fear you might sue them in case you do not digest it properly.

    Note that in 2002 the British High Court rejected a complaint from 36 UK citizens against mcdonalds for coffee burns. The Judge ruled that it was not McD's responsibility to warn people that hot coffee was ... hot ...
    In that light, there are plenty of warnings at seaworld. Failure to comply is the sole responsibility of the person not complying. Or, in the case of children, it's the responsibility of the guardian/parent to make sure the kid complies.

    Very recentely, a man sued Disneyworld arguing that the Tower of Terror was too violent a ride, and the violence of that ride was not advertised properly ...
    should we close ToT down because it's too intense for some guests ? is it the responsibility of Disney to prevent these guests from riding, after all Disney's making money off these guests' admission ticket and the ride is part of what the guest is entitled to ...
    or is it the guest's responsibility to evaluate if he/she is able to handle the situation and respect the rules ?

    There is no end to this issue, because where it gets to is a place where nothing is allowed, for fear that someone will have an accident or will not be able to handle a situation.
    Here we're a bit far from the issue we're discussing here. But blaming Seaworld for allowing kids to feed the dolphins despite the risks, invariably leads, in the thought process, to a world where there is nothing left to do, and where the "autorithy" thinks and acts in your name and on your behalf, to protect you from yourself.
    It's not the world I want to live in ...
     
  18. LeaversOnTour

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    I totally agree with almost everything which has been said.

    Dolphins are beautiful majestic animals, but seriously anyone who cant grasp the fact they could bite you is not quite the full ticket.

    Yes the dolphins are trained - To an extent but they are a wild animal and will inevitably follow their natural instincts - ESPECIALLY where food is involved.

    If that were my child I would have been making damn sure that dish didnt leave the side! You can think you have the smartest kid in the world but filled with excitment kids (and adults) can be stupid!

    I feel sorry for the kid I really do, she didnt deserve to get bitten. However neither Seaworld or the dolphin deserves to be persecuted because someone "flouted" the rules.

    That being said I dont think we should all "blame the parents" - Not totally, everyone "bends" the rules. because we are of the mindset that "it'll never happen to me"

    I dont get why people feel the need to sue everyone - what happened to "oh well just one of those things" Esp when you did something you shouldnt

    Its not like it bit her arm off, just left a couple of puncture wounds, and she will always be able to say hey i was that kids that got bit by a dolphin - a war wound to be proud of in years to come lol!
     
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    I took part in this attraction on our recent trip with my DH and 2 DD's aged 5 and 13. You are told repeatedly, not, under any circumstances, to pick up the white tray as the dolphin WILL lunge for it and probably bite. Therefore I see this video as in support of Seaworld really as, to me, it just highlights why they put these safety rules in place. Not adhering to them on this occasion caused exactly what they said would happen to happen.
    It was a great experience and I would not hesitate to do it again with my kids.
    Rach
     
  20. london75

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    I'm not defending the parents but I just think if SeaWorld are fully conscious to the point of repeatedly stressing, that the dolphins may well bite, then it's an attraction too far. That's all.

    It must have been immensely stressful for the dolphin as no doubt there was a lot of commotion caused when it did bite and possible subsequent restrictions ie no doubt it was segregated and not allowed in the public pool it was used to for a while. As with the performing whales that think the trainers are playthings, maybe it's time to focus on more natural aquarium type exhibits rather than one-to-one interactions and "shows".
     
  21. wayneg

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    The chances of it happening are so small though. Especially if guidelines are stuck to.
    If we stop something like then do we stop things like owning dogs? far more injuries & deaths with dogs than Dolphins, stop kids walking on logs(reason DS broke his arm) how far do you go?
    Most things we do in life has a risk.
    I am not big fan of dolphins but if its a one off incident I don't see anything wrong with what they are doing.
     

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