Disney parks now requiring immunization record for admittance?

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while at the same time autism diagnosis have skyrocketed.

Just wanted to point out that in the late 80's early 90's the diagnostic criteria for Autism was modified which has lead to more people being diagnosed with autism or an autism spectrum disorder than had been previously. So the rise in the rate of autism that can be seen on charts and graphs could be due to the way autism is now being diagnosed vs how it was diagnosed previously. So it is highly possible and probably that the rates of autism haven't skyrocketed, just the diagnosis of autism.

I'm of the opinion that your rights end where they start infringing on others rights. While someone may have the right to not get a vaccine, if they then cause an outbreak within the population (remember, no vaccine is 100% effective) they then start infringing on the right to life of others. I say if you want to go about unvaccinated, feel free, but also feel free not to participate in the rest of society that is vaccinated. If schools want to require vaccines to attend then the unvaccinated can start their own schools as it's their choice to not participate in the common good of a vaccinated society.
 
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I'm of the opinion that your rights end where they start infringing on others rights. While someone may have the right to not get a vaccine, if they then cause an outbreak within the population (remember, no vaccine is 100% effective) they then start infringing on the right to life of others. I say if you want to go about unvaccinated, feel free, but also feel free not to participate in the rest of society that is vaccinated. If schools want to require vaccines to attend then the unvaccinated can start their own schools as it's their choice to not participate in the common good of a vaccinated society.


Just being the Devil's advocate here. If you want to make unvaccinated people responsible for the spreading of disease how do not hold recently vaccinated people responsible? Just read these 3 links:
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm376937.htm

http://www.babycenter.com/404_is-it...an-cause-the-disease-it-was-meant_10310768.bc

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/those-vaccinated-pertussis-vaccine-are-spreading-disease


I also found this article about the measles in Disneyland interesting.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-measles-spread-20150122-story.html
 
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Just being the Devil's advocate here. If you want to make unvaccinated people responsible for the spreading of disease how do not hold recently vaccinated people responsible? Just read these 3 links:
http://www.fda.gov/NewsEvents/Newsroom/PressAnnouncements/ucm376937.htm

http://www.babycenter.com/404_is-it...an-cause-the-disease-it-was-meant_10310768.bc

http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/those-vaccinated-pertussis-vaccine-are-spreading-disease


I also found this article about the measles in Disneyland interesting.
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-measles-spread-20150122-story.html


With regards to the pertussis links mentioned, the first FDA study showed that those with the vaccine were still capable of carrying the disease but were not ill from the disease, so if everyone is getting vaccinated then you don't have any illness associated with the virus. I don't see how that is a bad thing? Unvaccinated people are still more likely to get the virus, get ill from it which can then last upwards of 10 weeks or longer. http://www.cdc.gov/pertussis/about/signs-symptoms.html I'd rather be vaccinated against it so if I'm around the virus and contract it, I don't get ill.
 
Honestly I don't even know where to start responding to some of these anti-vaccine posts so I'll just post my 3 favorite pro-vaccine reads:

http://www.upworthy.com/16-years-ag...tely-made-up-and-it-made-us-all-sicker?c=ufb4

http://www.xojane.com/issues/vaccin...ce=FBPAGE&utm_medium=post&utm_campaign=Issues

http://www.slate.com/articles/life/...ifestyle_couldn_t_prevent_many_childhood.html

I could quote statistics all day from credible public health agencies all over the world but statistics don't seem to matter to those who think vaccines don't work, will make their kid sick, etc.
 
It really is a good idea to be a little skeptical of the very one-sided reporting that is occurring right now. Also, anyone who resorts to name-calling and humiliation to make an argument is not very trustworthy, IMO. Personally, I will side with and believe the parents (of the vaccine injured) over the pharmaceutical companies any day. They are not crazy, they are not ignorant, and they have suffered enough. Here is an interesting link for those of you who are so sure in "the science" supporting absolutely, positively no link whatsoever, between vaccines and autism. This is from the Former Director of the National Institutes of Health: http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/healy-on-vaccine-autism-link/
Time to wake up, America...
 
It really is a good idea to be a little skeptical of the very one-sided reporting that is occurring right now. Also, anyone who resorts to name-calling and humiliation to make an argument is not very trustworthy, IMO. Personally, I will side with and believe the parents (of the vaccine injured) over the pharmaceutical companies any day. They are not crazy, they are not ignorant, and they have suffered enough. Here is an interesting link for those of you who are so sure in "the science" supporting absolutely, positively no link whatsoever, between vaccines and autism. This is from the Former Director of the National Institutes of Health: http://www.cbsnews.com/videos/healy-on-vaccine-autism-link/
Time to wake up, America...


I'm sorry, but you are doing the same thing listening to 1 side. The parents have kids that have been diagnosed with a disability, they immediately want to look to someone else to blame. Sure there are risks with getting vaccines, but all current science shows that autism is not a risk. If studies can come out and prove a link then I'll be the first to admit I'm currently wrong. But so far, every study that has been done that can be repeated and gets the same results show no link. The only studies that have shown a link so far have been disproved by further studies. I feel for the parents of kids of parents with autism and for any that may have complications that are actually due to vaccines, but the incident rate of complications due to vaccines are extremely rare. http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/vaccinfosheets/en/
 
I'm sorry, but you are doing the same thing listening to 1 side. The parents have kids that have been diagnosed with a disability, they immediately want to look to someone else to blame. Sure there are risks with getting vaccines, but all current science shows that autism is not a risk. If studies can come out and prove a link then I'll be the first to admit I'm currently wrong. But so far, every study that has been done that can be repeated and gets the same results show no link. The only studies that have shown a link so far have been disproved by further studies. I feel for the parents of kids of parents with autism and for any that may have complications that are actually due to vaccines, but the incident rate of complications due to vaccines are extremely rare. http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/vaccinfosheets/en/

I do not think that parents are "look(ing) to someone else to blame". What a sad thing to say to parents.

I am glad you admit there are risks and that is all I am trying to say.

Also if you follow the money trail to who did the studies on the "no link" thing, you will find that the study was sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies that make the vaccines. Gosh I wonder what the results might be? LOL! Personally I have theory about the routine use of prenatal ultrasound and a possible link to the incidence of autism. I also have some ideas about the routine use of an injection of artificial coal tar based Vitamin K to newborns, and the increase in childhood cancers. Both could make for some interesting studies but getting funding is always a game and normally political.

You mention the Pertussis study about contagiousness. Some may not get sick but they are still carrying and shedding the disease. Some of those who get sick are completely vaccinated so just saying oh well, I am vaccinated therefore it is not my problem, is not necessarily true. I know a family who was completely vaccinated for Pertussis who all became ill from it. The mother was a nurse and carried it home from a sick child in the hospital. Yes, it was nasty but being vaccinated did not help them. This particular vaccine needs work just like the oral polio vaccine here in the states did.

Polio vaccine is quite a story and I was very involved in making the changes in that procedure so that it is now a safer thing for people here in the US.

I know very few people who are completely anti-vax. Many are selective vaxers and do so not because they are lazy, poor, rich, uneducated, self centered, or evil people. There are simply caring parents. It is a very helpless feeling when you child is injured from a vaccine. You feel that somehow you caused your child damage and the guilt is horrific! You would do anything to protect your child and all of a sudden your word is upside down. Please be just a little kind!
 
Also if you follow the money trail to who did the studies on the "no link" thing, you will find that the study was sponsored by the pharmaceutical companies that make the vaccines. Gosh I wonder what the results might be? LOL!

This is why no matter what study you throw at people they won't listen. I even said as much earlier. All the pharmaceutical companies are evil. It doesn't matter if you get killed using their products because they are just that greedy. No employee is going to come forward because they're all evil.

Government = in bed with industy.

Doctors = stupid.

Universities = money from industry.

Well informed people = sheep.

So in the anti vaccine crowd everyone not on their side is evil, greedy, or stupid. This is why you can't have a logical debate...
 
I'm sorry, but you are doing the same thing listening to 1 side. The parents have kids that have been diagnosed with a disability, they immediately want to look to someone else to blame. Sure there are risks with getting vaccines, but all current science shows that autism is not a risk. If studies can come out and prove a link then I'll be the first to admit I'm currently wrong. But so far, every study that has been done that can be repeated and gets the same results show no link. The only studies that have shown a link so far have been disproved by further studies. I feel for the parents of kids of parents with autism and for any that may have complications that are actually due to vaccines, but the incident rate of complications due to vaccines are extremely rare. http://www.who.int/vaccine_safety/initiative/tools/vaccinfosheets/en/
We all know the mainstream view on vaccines. That is the starting point. The question is, are you going to just accept that information as factual, or are you going to ask more questions. We should all be asking more questions. And that was a very insensitive and inaccurate comment about parents of children with a disability. I am thinking you did not watch the link I posted. A high ranking official is admitting that we lack good studies on the issue of vaccines and autism.
 
As a physician and a mother of 2, I can only say that I and EVERY doctor I have met who has children has vaccinated their children, so we are practicing what we preach. We are convinced by the vast swathes of data produced by meta-analysis (where the results of multiple studies are pooled and analysed) by independent (i.e. non-Pharma funded) organisations such as the Cochrane reviews (UK institute set up to promote the "new" science of evidence based medicine), plus an awareness of the appalling true story behind the researcher who first publicised the idea that there might be a link between vaccines and autism (TLDR, the sample size was very small, and many of these did not fulfil the criteria for the disease he was studying, the unethical methods of recruiting, and mostly, the complete failure to disclose several conflicts of interest: that he had received large sums of money prior to the research while advising lawyers for parents who believed their children had been damaged, and that he had patented his own vaccine, which would have made a lot of money for him had people stopped using MMR. He was subsequently struck off by the GMC (body that licences doctors to practice in the UK) for, among other things, performing clinically unnecessary procedures such as lumbar punctures and colonoscopy on children.

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(97)11096-0/abstract

The editorial related to the extraction stated :"Following the judgment of the UK General Medical Council's Fitness to Practise Panel on Jan 28, 2010, it has become clear that several elements of the 1998 paper by Wakefield et al are incorrect, contrary to the findings of an earlier investigation. In particular, the claims in the original paper that children were "consecutively referred" and that investigations were "approved" by the local ethics committee have been proven to be false. Therefore we fully retract this paper from the published record."

I've picked some US reviews that support the safety of vaccines; Note that in no cases do they say that they are 100% safe, and no medical intervention would be able to claim that. It's a matter of risk vs benefit, and in the vast majority of cases, the benefit from the vaccine to the child and the community hugely outweigh the risk. The diseases themselves carry a small, but catastrophic risk of death or disability, that that risk is many times greater than the risk from vaccination.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/24814559 - meta-analysis of over 1.25 million children

http://www.iom.edu/reports/2004/immunization-safety-review-vaccines-and-autism.aspx

http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/109/1/124.full

The British Royal Colleges have been mentioned earlier. I am a member of the Royal College of Physicians and the only link I can find for their involvement with vaccine injury is a historical involvement with a compensation scheme for children who have suffered adverse events linked to vaccination (which no sensible doctor would deny is a possibility), but I can find no document that supports the wider contentions held by current vaccine opponents, although I would be happy to be corrected.

It's clearly a very emotive subject though, and I would close by referencing my opening remark, that it is exceptional to find a doctor's child unvaccinated, because we have weighed the evidence and decided that the balance of risks and benefits favours vaccines.
 
Just wanted to point out that in the late 80's early 90's the diagnostic criteria for Autism was modified which has lead to more people being diagnosed with autism or an autism spectrum disorder than had been previously. So the rise in the rate of autism that can be seen on charts and graphs could be due to the way autism is now being diagnosed vs how it was diagnosed previously. So it is highly possible and probably that the rates of autism haven't skyrocketed, just the diagnosis of autism.

I'm of the opinion that your rights end where they start infringing on others rights. While someone may have the right to not get a vaccine, if they then cause an outbreak within the population (remember, no vaccine is 100% effective) they then start infringing on the right to life of others. I say if you want to go about unvaccinated, feel free, but also feel free not to participate in the rest of society that is vaccinated. If schools want to require vaccines to attend then the unvaccinated can start their own schools as it's their choice to not participate in the common good of a vaccinated society.

Bingo

Ask any medical or public health professional and they will tell you that tbe rate of "autism"has risen conversely on a curve to a decline in what was classified as "mental retardation"
What that means is nothing has actually changed except for the label.

And since the British researchers that published the study linking autism to vaccinations originally were forced to invalidate their argument/research ...the argument can't be confirmed.

Are we over vaccinated? Maybe...is there a valid argument that outweighs the current policies in favor of public risk? No.
 
Completely fake. Gomer Blog is a medical satire website.
It even says so in the graphic on the top of the article.

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Um, yes? Because science is not up for debate. That's why it's science.
That's not quite right. Science is the process of proving and disproving hypothesis based off of evidence, testing, and gaining greater understanding. The problem that many face, is they don't have the expertise in the fields they share their opinion about. Their opinion, instead of being based off of fact is built on emotional, illogical, and biased information. This does not mean at a future date that vaccines couldn't be proven completely useless. It's just every test we've ever done has proven their usefulness.

So using our best knowledge and understanding about a topic at a given moment, the world must craft policy and social thinking on the issue. We have to make the best decisions based off of what is currently known.

It just so happens that the best information available says vaccines work...
 
That's not quite right.

Well, sure, if you are going to get technical. Conclusions are based on experiments, people run experiments, and people make mistakes. I get that (heck, look at the "gravitational waves" debacle for example.)

But a lot of the time you see "sheeple" getting thrown around at people who have the audacity to take scientific conclusions at face value. So you start seeing "mainstream" and "factual" used as a way of undermining the conclusion of countless studies on a subject. You see "teach the controversy" about topics where the vast majority of research points to one conclusion. These kinds of things really aren't debatable.
 
Well, sure, if you are going to get technical. Conclusions are based on experiments, people run experiments, and people make mistakes. I get that.

But a lot of the time you see "sheeple" getting thrown around at people who have the audacity to take scientific conclusions at face value. So you start seeing "mainstream" and "factual" used as a way of undermining the conclusion of countless studies on a subject. You see "teach the controversy" about topics where the vast majority of research points to one conclusion. These kinds of things really aren't debatable.
Largely agree. As a pro vaccine person myself, I just don't want to fall in the trap of losing science in this debate. We can't just stop our work and say we're done, and any other idea brought forward is stupid. If they bring up a new issue, we'll squash it using facts, testing, and research. If we start getting emotional about this we'll still be right, just no better then the other side.
 
The bottom line here is that does WDW or any park , concert or any venue. Need to review if people.and.children who are not vaccinated need.to be prevented from.entry.

Seems their is honest risk to the very young and older folks.

AKK
 
The bottom line here is that does WDW or any park , concert or any venue. Need to review if people.and.children who are not vaccinated need.to be prevented from.entry.

Seems their is honest risk to the very young and older folks.

AKK

Please remember that anyone who is recently vaccinated with a 'LIVE' vaccine is even more of a risk to to others than some one who has not been recently vaccinated.
 
Please remember that anyone who is recently vaccinated with a 'LIVE' vaccine is even more of a risk to to others than some one who has not been recently vaccinated.

Good point...would these people then also be refused entry?....how would WDW determine that and.who?
 
I am supportive of vaccinations. Both of my children are vaccinated, as required by our state. We initially never questioned not vaccinating. My parents warned me, of our families history. I felt with my 1st child going to day care, not vaccinating was more of a risk. We had many issues after 1 set of shots. We delayed some vaccinations because of her extreme reaction. My ped witnessed and agreed we should hold off.
Many in our family have had issues related to viruses, and/or vaccinations. I could list all but I really don't want to take up your time to do that.
For this reason we chose to wait with our second child. I will never know if my choice to vaccinate my daughter is what caused her health conditions. I can't disprove it either.
I have a brother that is mildly mentally disabled after recieving vaccinations,that did cause his brain to swell. (That is what my parents were told many years ago. ) it was a known side effect. He was not old enough to speak and just slept a lot,and was cranky they had no idea. There are others but these are the closest to me.
I have a doctor who understands. We waited until my son was walking and talking. We spaced them out. Health care is always personal. I live in America. I have freedom to choose what is best for us. It was a really difficult choice. It was so stressful thinking either way you could be making a wrong choice for your child.There is a lot of twisted facts on both sides. Hope this adds a little perspective.
 
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