BAD BOYS BAD BOYS!! Undercover Security

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They came out of nowhere....They calmly took control of the situation...

All I can think is these guys are trained by Yoda or something! "You will put down the turkey leg. You will follow us. You do not want to make Mickey cry." :rotfl2:
 
Fine by me! Some non-Disney park employees could not care less if you died in front of them, it is too much trouble. Working to protect the company you work for is a good policy, IMHO.

Keeping down lawsuits keeps my resort room affordable! ::yes::

Yup. I completely agree - my post didn't offer my own perspective, just a fuller picture of how things really are. To some, Disney might seem like a police state. They have absolute control, they watch your moves, they swoop in and make things "happy."

But it's why I fly over 8 other theme parks on my way to Disney.
 
They came out of nowhere....They calmly took control of the situation...

All I can think is these guys are trained by Yoda or something! "You will put down the turkey leg. You will follow us. You do not want to make Mickey cry." :rotfl2:

Yup x2!

I was in a situation where Disney was providing me transportation. I came out of my hotel room and down to the lobby. I didn't know know where to meet my ride, but before it mattered, I was flanked by two guys who calmly and wordlessly just started walking me to a car...
 
In December, I was walking with my DS to get in line for Aladdin's Carpets and as we were walking by the Tiki Room I heard a CM (wasn't dressed in costume) instruct a younger CM to stand right there (she was in costume) and several other CMs over by the Tiki Room were on the walkies etc. I looked and there was a stroller parked up next to the Carpet ride with a small baby sleeping it :eek: No adults in sight! It was an odd stroller with some kind of cover since it was pretty cold and would be easy not to notice the baby in there. I gave the CM standing there a wide eyed OMG look when I realixed what was happening. We got in line and I continued to watch to see what would happen. Several other CMs showed up but they all stood back near the Tiki Room discussing with only the one CM standing near the stroller and she was really several feet to the side, and then here comes what I presume was the baby's mother back through the Aladdin line, she was up near the front of the line with an older woman and a small girl. About the time they she reached the area where the stroller was, a man showed up from the direction of the Jungle Cruise (getting fp's maybe?) The CMs came over immediately and were attempting to express that it was not OK to just leave the baby unattended, the family was obviously from Asia and kept trying to walk away not seeming to understand and the CMs were saying that security was on the way and they should wait there for security. I didn't see the end because we were at a point in line where I couldn't see clearly. There was very little fuss, I doubt if most people realized anything was happening.
 


Well a couple years ago we were leaving Hollywood Studios when a group of teenage girls got into a fight. Fist Fight- hair pulling full on fight. Not a single person reacted. They were just past the turnstyle- people were watching- but NO security. There were the bag check guys 10 feet away- did nothing.
Finally I had to get a cm working that Kiosk at the entrance to call for security- in about 4 minutes they arrived and the girls scattered.

It didn't make me feel particularly positive about Disney Security.
 
So yes, they are very helpful. But they work for the one that signs their paycheck.

All I want to say is in all honesty, that may not be the case. Hopefully Disney keeps their workers happy, so they want to keep the company in good light, but a lot of workers do not care that much about their company. I know in my job, I care more for my guests than my company. I wouldn't care if they got sued, as long as I did whatever I could to make my guests happy.

Just a though. :confused3
 


All I want to say is in all honesty, that may not be the case. Hopefully Disney keeps their workers happy, so they want to keep the company in good light, but a lot of workers do not care that much about their company. I know in my job, I care more for my guests than my company. I wouldn't care if they got sued, as long as I did whatever I could to make my guests happy.

Just a though. :confused3

Yeah, you're right. Not all CMs will be like I described, only looking out for Disney's interests. Many will simply be there to make people happy, because they want to and because Disney trains them (and supports them) to make it easy.

But I also believe that most of those employees wear uniforms. Disney keeps some 'undercover' for a reason, and while occasionally those undercover people might expose themselves to help someone, I also suspect they'd more likely keep their cover in most cases and let a dressed CM help a person.

The reason is simple: they are there to do the work that Disney doesn't want guests to know is getting done. Basics like getting drunks out of the crowds, watching for pickpockets, etc. But they can also pretend to be helpful tourists while protecting Disney's interests in a very precise way...by getting you to say out loud that you're OK...by ensuring you refuse medical attention when it is offered in the freest way....by carefully looking you over to note your state (like, no limp, head moving freely, articulate)

I was involved in such an incident and have a good sense of how far Disney will take this and what their motivations are.

And those motivations aren't necessarily out of line with the guest's. It really is a free ride to the ER. It really is the best attention Disney has to offer. It really is fast and efficient - but because they really don't want you to take advantage of them. And while i went very far down that path, I very much respect the approach and patronize Disney when possible. But Disney is still a business.
 
All I want to say is in all honesty, that may not be the case. Hopefully Disney keeps their workers happy, so they want to keep the company in good light, but a lot of workers do not care that much about their company. I know in my job, I care more for my guests than my company. I wouldn't care if they got sued, as long as I did whatever I could to make my guests happy.

Just a though. :confused3

I'd also note that whatever company you work for, you probably either have attorneys on staff or on retainer. All they do is look out for the company in the way I'm describing; they aren't in customer service if you know what I mean. Doesn't mean they're bad people, just that their job is often to assume the worst in others.

Disney can't have attorneys roaming the parks- the drycleaning bills would be too high. So undercover people act as the eyes and ears of Disney when legal risks arise.
 
I'd also note that whatever company you work for, you probably either have attorneys on staff or on retainer. All they do is look out for the company in the way I'm describing; they aren't in customer service if you know what I mean. Doesn't mean they're bad people, just that their job is often to assume the worst in others.

Disney can't have attorneys roaming the parks- the drycleaning bills would be too high. So undercover people act as the eyes and ears of Disney when legal risks arise.

Just a reminder not all under cover security are Disney CM's some are off duty orange county sheriff deputes they are their to protect and help guest when in need. So they really have no vested intreats to keep Disney from getting sued so if they ask you if you need medical help it because that what they are their for that why Disney pays for them.
 
First of all, I love this thread!

My first story didn't happen at Disney, but it's a similar story with the left bags and bomb squads and everything.
My family and I were in Paris last summer and we went up in the Eiffel Tower. It was July and there were, of course, huge crowds there. While we were on the lowest of the three levels you can climb up to, we looked down through the center of the tower and there was NO ONE below us when there should have been thousands of people. It was actually kind of eerie, but really cool to see it that empty. We talked to some other American tourists who were up there with us and we figured out that someone had left a backpack on a bench; you could barely see it from where we were, and on the other side you could see crowds of people who had been escorted out of the way. They had some sort of machine aimed at the backpack and had a dog, along with someone in what looked like a spacesuit inspecting the bag. Nothing happened for a long time, so we went up to the second level, where about fifteen minutes later we heard a rather loud boom from them blowing up the bag.
It was kind of scary that they hadn't evacuated us from the tower... what if it had actually been a bomb?? But a really cool experience.
When we went back down, we went to where the backpack had been and there was a charred mark on the bench and little pieces of Eiffel Tower keychains that had been in the backpack; it was just a vendor's bag.

Secondly, this was January 2009 in EPCOT, we were at the Mexican restaurant in Mexico, when a guy who I assume had been "drinking around the world" and had mayyybe had a few too many beers RAN up the stairs of the monument thing there... (I apologize for not remembering what it's called, but it's almost two in the morning and I just finished writing a college application essay... haha) Almost immediately he was taken down and escorted very quietly away. If we hadn't been looking, we would have missed it completely. The whole process couldn't have been more than 20 seconds. Very cool.
 
Not sure if they were undercover but we were in line at the haunted mansion and where under the canopee before the doors, a group of late teens early twenties came into line, pushing people, using obsenities, wearing what I would associate with gang colors, all jeans, white tee ****es and the same color bandana's. Anyway they were getting worse then out of no where 5-6 rather guys showed up coraled them and woosh they where gone.

Rather impressive if you ask me, then everything resumed like nothing ever happened.
 
Just a reminder not all under cover security are Disney CM's some are off duty orange county sheriff deputes they are their to protect and help guest when in need. So they really have no vested intreats to keep Disney from getting sued so if they ask you if you need medical help it because that what they are their for that why Disney pays for them.

I don't see the distinction. Off-duty police or not, they are still there for Disney's benefit, including acting in ways that minimize Disney's legal exposure.

Note, for instance, that they will always ask to get a person medical attention or give them a ride to get medical attention. The undercover CMs will not offer medical treatment, they will not look at an injury and say 'looks OK to me', and they will not just let it go. The CMs will offer medical assistance and let you turn down the offer. That protects Disney.

This is often in alignment with guest needs. Protecting Disney from being sued is often compatible with what we might need at the time - medical assistance, protection from bad guys, whatever. They are also human and some things just have no legal ramifications - if a person asks where the nearest bathroon is, I'm sure they'll be super nice and respond.

So I'm not saying they aren't helping guests. Just saying that part of their job, and built into their training, are elements that minimize Disney's exposure to legal risk.
 
Last Christmas (2010) We were sitting outside chef mickey when a man came out looking very frantically for his child. Another man noticed it and said to him, "who are you looking for". The guy did not hear him but the second man walked over and told the bartender who called security. With in a minute nearly every Disney employee in the building (not really but it seemed like it) was looking for the kid. It was astounding how fast they came together. With in a couple minutes there must have been easily 20 people looking. Well anyway the kid was in chef mickey in a secluded corner looking at something just as happy as could be. From the time the father came out to the time the chef mickey manager came out with the child was no more then 10 minutes. It was extremely impressive. I would imagine this is a very common occurrence. You would have to imagine that trying to maintain security at WDW must be an absolute nightmare. The place is the size of a descent size town and all of the residents are transient. There are somethings Disney does extremely well and imho this is one of them.
 
I don't see the distinction. Off-duty police or not, they are still there for Disney's benefit, including acting in ways that minimize Disney's legal exposure.

Note, for instance, that they will always ask to get a person medical attention or give them a ride to get medical attention. The undercover CMs will not offer medical treatment, they will not look at an injury and say 'looks OK to me', and they will not just let it go. The CMs will offer medical assistance and let you turn down the offer. That protects Disney.

This is often in alignment with guest needs. Protecting Disney from being sued is often compatible with what we might need at the time - medical assistance, protection from bad guys, whatever. They are also human and some things just have no legal ramifications - if a person asks where the nearest bathroon is, I'm sure they'll be super nice and respond.

So I'm not saying they aren't helping guests. Just saying that part of their job, and built into their training, are elements that minimize Disney's exposure to legal risk.

I don't think the ocso train them in the academy to minimize Disney legal exposure and disney orobelry on trains them where things are and how to get around fast back stage. Disney use them because they are already trained to deal medical calls and other calls. Yes no one on Disney property gettin paid by Disney wants to see them getting sued but I think if someones hurt that be that last think on thee mind. If you get hurt on a ride no matter how many tines they ask you if your okay and how much medical help they give you they will still sue. So Gould they not offer you help if they know you still sue no they do it because they my care about the person in need of help.
 
Second time was last year. Again a tourist/teen looking fellow, backwards ball cap, back back, dark glasses was leaning against a railing by the boat ramp at Hollywood Studios. A uniformed guard came walking by, did a U turn and walked up and asked what he was doing there as he thought it was his day off. The undercover said no, he got called in and was working plain clothes outside the park for the day.

I'm REALLY surprised they talked to the plain clothes people. At one store I worked at Loss Prevention came in & introduced himself to us at orientation and pretty much told us to NEVER talk to him first. If he said Hi to us, then we could talk to him but otherwise, just pretend he's a regular shopper and act as if we don't know him from the man on the moon.
 
I don't think the ocso train them in the academy to minimize Disney legal exposure and disney orobelry on trains them where things are and how to get around fast back stage. Disney use them because they are already trained to deal medical calls and other calls. Yes no one on Disney property gettin paid by Disney wants to see them getting sued but I think if someones hurt that be that last think on thee mind. If you get hurt on a ride no matter how many tines they ask you if your okay and how much medical help they give you they will still sue. So Gould they not offer you help if they know you still sue no they do it because they my care about the person in need of help.

OK - we agree to disagree.

I believe they hire off duty police because they are trained to remain calm, to read situations, to react in certain ways. Basically, they have the right resume. When in Disney, they are off duty from the police and on duty for Disney, where the objective is slightly different.

And I wouldn't think any CMs, uniformed or not would change their actions based on if they think someone will sue - in fact they aren't trained even to look for that. Rather, they are trained to handle situations, ALL situations, in ways that minimize the risk of a lawsuit.

So, regardless of what they think the cause may be, or who's at fault, they will offer to get them medical assistance. They do this for two reasons:
1. It makes the guest more comfortable
2. It reduces Disney's legal exposure.

#2 is always the case. The legal exposure is simply reduced by offering to get medical assistance.

Think of it this way - if they were really just there purely to help guests, there might be topical pain killers in their fanny packs. This would provide immediate relief to a guest...but opens Disney to increased legal risk.

The training they'd give would never overtly say "you must act to reduce our legal risk." The guard at the front gate (for instance) doesn't necessarily know why they can look in some personal things and not others as you enter. They just know what they should and should not do. But there are legal reasons behind those actions, and attorneys (among others) that have decided how things like security should be approached.
 
OK - we agree to disagree.

I believe they hire off duty police because they are trained to remain calm, to read situations, to react in certain ways. Basically, they have the right resume. When in Disney, they are off duty from the police and on duty for Disney, where the objective is slightly different.

And I wouldn't think any CMs, uniformed or not would change their actions based on if they think someone will sue - in fact they aren't trained even to look for that. Rather, they are trained to handle situations, ALL situations, in ways that minimize the risk of a lawsuit.

So, regardless of what they think the cause may be, or who's at fault, they will offer to get them medical assistance. They do this for two reasons:
1. It makes the guest more comfortable
2. It reduces Disney's legal exposure.

#2 is always the case. The legal exposure is simply reduced by offering to get medical assistance.

Think of it this way - if they were really just there purely to help guests, there might be topical pain killers in their fanny packs. This would provide immediate relief to a guest...but opens Disney to increased legal risk.

The training they'd give would never overtly say "you must act to reduce our legal risk." The guard at the front gate (for instance) doesn't necessarily know why they can look in some personal things and not others as you enter. They just know what they should and should not do. But there are legal reasons behind those actions, and attorneys (among others) that have decided how things like security should be approached.



Yes your right we agree to disagree but you made really good points :thumbsup2.
 
I am one of ten children and we were lucky enough to go to Disney quite a few times throughout our childhood. When there were just nine of us kids when back when in 1989, we ventured down to WDW for our family vacation.
The three oldest, my sisters, who were 13 and 11 at the time, and my brother who was 10 went on one of those kid tours in Magic Kingdom. I don't recall the name and I don't think they still have it, but it was specifically for kids.
Anyway, somehow my brother got separated from the group. He couldn't find them and took it upon himself to walk back to the Contemporary, where we were staying. Luckily, my mother was back at the room napping the little ones (twin boys who were 2 and a infant who was about 3 months plus my little sister who was 4). She heard a knock at the door and to her surprise my brother was standing there!
She was upset that he walked all the way back to the Contemporary without ANYONE saying a word to him. She wanted to pick up my sisters from the tour and find my father but she needed help since she had the four little ones. Up came plainclothed Disney security helping her get the things together and helping her down with the triple (yes triple) stroller. They escorted her to the Magic Kingdom to get my sisters.
She said she could have made a bigger fuss, but she was happy nothing happened to my brother.

They do exist!
 
Just for reference my family owns wallis talkies that have the clear earpiece and we take them to Disney, a) it cuts down on dropped calls b) takes away from others being on our "channel" c) takes the hassle of pulling a walkie talkie out and d) others cannot overhear what is being said .. We own them for my dads job at home but they go everywhere with us and although we look like plain clothed security we are not :) but my mom will be the first one to help someone up if she sees them fall and would even stay until a cm arrived .. So no just because someone has an earpiece does not mean they are security :)
 
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