BAD BOYS BAD BOYS!! Undercover Security

[Pixie Princess]

My five-year old son is *obsessed* with security...playing police or even mall security while other boys play spider man! On our December 2011 trip he fell in love with Disney security...almost not wanting to enter the parks because he'd rather watch the security officers checking bags at the gate!!!

Once home mall security pretend play turned into Disney security. He spent hours on his iTouch googling it and we learned that once the undercover Disney security officers were called foxes. He wears summer clothes, carries a bag with a toy walkie talkie in it and becomes a "fox"...

Not too long ago he asked me at bedtime..." who makes more money...a Disney security officer or you, mom?". Proceeded by " what college do I need to go to to become a Disney security officer?".

The pictures of the security officer and his dog on this thread will make his day today when I show him!!!

That is the cutest thing ever!!!

 

[kaligal]

The only time I ever noticed security was when they followed me around in a store. I suppose I could have looked like a criminal. I was alone, browsing, had a big tote bag with me that had pretty much nothing in it.

Still and all, I'm one of those people who doesn't like being watched (even though I'm not going to steal), so I left.

 

[DznyCrzy11]

Anyway, regarding the K-9 dogs and kids not being able to read the "do not pet" signs...parents, PLEASE teach your children from the time they are toddlers to NEVER approach and pet a dog without asking the owner's permission first! This is a basic safety rule that all parents should teach their children. It can truly save your child's life or at least prevent them from a possible traumatic experience. (A few weeks ago a 9 year old boy had a chunk of his cheek bit off by a dog who was being walked by a 12 year old girl he knew. How horrible is that?!)

Yes! We have a 14 yr old Shih-tzu/Pekinese mix and a 6 yr old Chihuahua/Pomeranian mix. Sometimes when we take them to the park there are kids that want to pet them. I don't trust the kids to pet them because I'm always nervous that one of the dogs is going to bite and it would be my fault! So I always so "no, it's not a good idea to pet them because they may bite", I was feel bad saying no but better safe than sorry!

 

[Jubilee]

Number 2
As we where leaving Epcot around 9.pm. I little boy around 2 years old drops his water bottle. The mom slapped him and threw him up against a bench we were terrified along with others but didn't know what to do. There were no CM's around. We all keep walking and we are pretty far away and we hear yelling again and her a bang the kid dropped his water bottle again and she threw him up against the bench AGAIN. It was so unbelievable anyone could do this to their child! I wish I had done something but didn't know what to do.

The 3rd incident is by far the worst and went on for awhile this was August 2009 and this all happened without any security or CM's stopping it. It seems hard to believe but it is 100% true.

As we where exciting Buzz in tomorrow land and headed to the front gate for a dinner at Narcoosseeswhen we hear a woman yelling at her daughter who was probably 12. The girl wanted to go on the buzz ride which had obviously upset the mother for some reason. She started to yell at her for wanting to go on the ride she pushes her daughter on the ground grabs her by the hair and bangs her face into the pavement. The girl is crying and trying to get up and the mom pushes her down again and tells her to stop crying when she gets up the mom drags her by the ear while yelling at her in Spanish i think? to the rest of their family probably about 10 others on the way the mom pushes her down again no one in her family helps her they just keep walking acting as if everything is normal. The mom keeps yelling at her hitting her as they exit tomorrow land. Some onlookers look like they are about to intervene when the mom eventually stops after what seemed like ages. If this mother does this to her child in front of everyone in tomorrow land I can not imagine what goes on at home. Myself and Disney dad witnessed the whole thing while the rest of our party was completely oblivious and kept walking toward mainstreet. My Dis dad was about to help the little girl but the mom finally stopped. It shook us up for awhile.

See, I would probably get in trouble trying to break it up and ending up overly emotional.

Gosh, that is horrible. I never witnessed any physical abuse at the parks but one day we were eating at Pizzafari in the screened in area and outside was a man yelling and screaming at his son for about 10 minutes and its not like this guy didn't know we could hear him The son was crying as this guy was berrating him, at one point the kid was crying "You're hurting my feelings, stop yelling at me." It brought tears to my eyes and my DD(3) asked why the boy was crying. What do you say to that.

What a bully.

I can relate to that. When my daughter was two, we were in Mickey's Starland and after coming out of the gift shop, I realized my daughter was holding a stuffed Minnie Mouse, which we did not pay for. How she got a hold of it while I was carrying her is beyond me. Since the doors were one-way, we had to wait for the next person to come out so that we could go back in an return it. I'd have hated for my daughter to get a record at so early and age.

This probably happens extremely often. When my daughter wandered out with something in her stroller at age 2, we went back in and put it back...but we were pretty far away from the shop at that point and no one came and got us.

 

[Disneylovingdad]

WOW! I hope she offered a HUGE apology!!!! Sometimes security can even overstep their boundaries when they act too quickly!!!

I dont feel that is oversteping their boundries at all. I am in law enforcement and if they thought he was carrying a firearm, they certainly need to check. And the "rudness" was more than likely a bit of nervousness depending on the security guard. You have to remember they are unarmed (though i am convinced there are some that are, regardless of what Disney says, seeing as how they could respond to a major incident faster than the deputies at the park entrance, and being a major terrorist target) and unless you have approached and confronted someone beleived to be armed, it's easy to be of the opinion that it is rude, or overstepping. Of course, an appology is warranted along with an explaination, and i'm sure they provided one knowing Disney. I would have absolutely no problem being asked to lift my shirt or whatever if they felt the need to check. I would hope they would do this without hesitation whenever they felt the need seeing as how i want my family to be safe at their property.

 

[chartle]

I dont feel that is oversteping their boundries at all. I am in law enforcement and if they thought he was carrying a firearm, they certainly need to check. And the "rudness" was more than likely a bit of nervousness depending on the security guard. You have to remember they are unarmed (though i am convinced there are some that are, regardless of what Disney says, seeing as how they could respond to a major incident faster than the deputies at the park entrance, and being a major terrorist target) and unless you have approached and confronted someone beleived to be armed, it's easy to be of the opinion that it is rude, or overstepping. Of course, an appology is warranted along with an explaination, and i'm sure they provided one knowing Disney. I would have absolutely no problem being asked to lift my shirt or whatever if they felt the need to check. I would hope they would do this without hesitation whenever they felt the need seeing as how i want my family to be safe at their property.

yep, Its the times we live in. At least the gates don't have people like this.

 

[Clare Voince]

So much for Disney security being everywhere: http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2...d-after-alleged-fight-in-front-of-disney-ride

That went on way longer than it should have.

 

[Jubilee]

I saw that and I agree it was a mess.....the spraying of the man, the man himself, the hecklers, the crazy lady screaming.... I'm just glad it was DL and not WDW jkjk.....sorta.

 

[Cruella 66]

Wow!!!!

How long before Disney pulls that one? Was the dude in the blue pants with a red strip REALLY security???

 

[Bell30012]

I think security may have been a bit slow in response on that incident.

 

[Disneylovingdad]

Yeah, not good. Luckily for the guard, people jumped in and helped him out. Theres always a nut trying to reason with the guy too in most of these situations. "There are children here". Really? like that stopped him up until this point?

 

[aripantaloon]

It's interesting to see how long this incident went on given the fact that this guy was obviously impaired and was getting into a physical fight with the "security" (more like a rent-a-cop than real security from the looks of him) guy. With all the stories on here of the now-you-see-them now-you-don't incidents of security coming out of nowhere and escorting the offenders away for things that are not as bad as this in terms of physicality (like the whackado with the foil hat), you would think that guys with the earpieces would have been coming out of the woodwork for this guy. I wonder why that didn't happen?

Now I'm going to have to be on the lookout for any Disney security on our next trip. I never noticed them before, but I admit that I was not looking.

 

[Cruella 66]

I've been subscribed to this thread for a long time. I am wondering if the difference with the HM security video is that a lot of the posts here about WDW and that was at DL? Just my thought...

 

[Clare Voince]

I was reading a bit about this incident in the DL forum, and someone mentioned that this occurred on an extremely busy day, which might account for the slow response time. Others speculated that the bystanders that jumped in may have been undercover security, but I'm not sure I buy that.

 

[DizDragonfly]

Al Lutz talks about this incident . He mentions that security was also tied up in other parts of the park with two paramedic runs. Sounds like it was a busy day and they were just stretched too thin at that moment.

 

[btwiceborn]

Two years ago my wife, son, and I had an interesting Disney security experience. We were at the park at open, and went straight to the Small world ride after entry. Just as we were going to board the boat, a young man (around 15yo) got in line beside us. (there were very few people in line and the four of us were the only ones boarding the boat.) He was oddly talkative to us, but we were polite. During the ride, he was taking photos with his Iphone, and looking around. Just before the end of the ride, I thought I saw him take a pic of my son. I tried to act like I didn't see it, and hugged my son tight to me. As the ride came to a halt, he stood up very quickly and as he jumped out of the boat, I did see my son's face on his screen display. Incensed, I took off after him as I got outside, I spotted him heading toward the Dumbo Ride (old location). I oddly enough had my video camera on and decided that I would get footage as much as I could. I was only 20 feet from him when it appeared he was heading for a restroom so I called out to him. He turned, looked at me, and then bolted for the Cast member door just to the right of the restrooms. Since I had just gotten his face on video, I decided I would return to where I left my wife and ask for security. I had only begun to walk back to Small world ride, when a CM noticed me and asked if I needed any help. I told her I needed to talk to security, and literally within 30 seconds there were two "tourists" (disney security) helping out. Within minutes I has showed them the footage, and the central security people that watch the video monitors tracked the guy, found him and took care of business.
The security folks were very caring and understanding. During the hour or so that I wasted during this event, my wife, and son, along with my aunt and uncle were taken to the front of nearly every ride in the fantasyland area. After I finished talking with them, they gave us about 20 fastpasses, business cards for about 5-6 of the security guys at MK, and wished us well.
To top it off, when we arrived that evening at our resort (AKV), there was fresh cookies and milk with a handwritten note from Mickey.
My son had no idea what went on, but he had a wonderful time.
I would say that I was pleased not only with the efficiency of the Disney Security folks, but with their ability to spread around a little of the magic helped sooth things with my wife.

 

[MolonLabe]

My crazy Disney moment was at Pop Century when I was checking out and driving my car up to pick up my wife and girls and I saw....

a man by his minivan with the passenger door open and his sons about 10, 12 and 14 were glancing around and then the "dad" urinated in the parking lot.

I was in shock. He was in about the 12th spot from the front circle at about 7pm. It's not like I hadn't seen and dealt with that before but I was so in the Disney mindset...

Anyway, I parked and went directly inside to the check in desk, right up to a CM and told her what was going on. I don't think she believed me at first. Anyway she made a call and...

5 minutes later a security vehicle drove by.

I'm sure they used cameras and saw the guy and his delinquents drove off but still... Bizarre to say the least.

In May the crowds weren't heavy but I did notice a nice mix of uniformed and UC security in the parks.

Thanks so much for the thread and all th eposts, very interesting!

 

[Clare Voince]

Al Lutz talks about this incident . He mentions that security was also tied up in other parts of the park with two paramedic runs. Sounds like it was a busy day and they were just stretched too thin at that moment.

Thanks for posting that, it was an interesting read.

 

[Disneylovingdad]

btwiceborn, thats a crazy story. I'm glad everything worked out ok and your son was none the wiser and ok. It's hard to not completely let your guard down at WDW but people need to stay alert. You never know when a nut could be around. People have to remember that security (or police) can not see EVERYTHING or be EVERYWHERE at once. No matter how good of an operation they may have, people have to remember that THEY are first and foremost the person most responsible for their own safety until security or law enforcement can arrive. That applies everywhere, not just WDW. We all have a "radar" (or spidey sense, lol) and so often people ignore it. I'm a Police Officer and you would be surprised how many victims will say "i just knew something wasn't right but didn't really think much of it". If anyone feels that way, there is a very good chance something could be wrong. Like him talking a lot to the point where you mentioned it in your post. That caused you to have your guard up slightly. I only would wish more good people would pay attention to that "alarm" going off. It's not always something, but a lot of the time it is. It doesn't mean being paranoid (and im not trying to freak people out) and always looking over your shoulder but just to have some awareness of your surroundings, even at a place like WDW.

 

[tink_n_pooh]