Disney offers new premium package for Mickey's Not So Scary Halloween Party
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Yellowstonetim
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Walt would love it. It isn't Kool-Aid and people aren't being duped by a P.T. Barnum. They are paying for something they feel is worth it. I am one of those people. You don't like it, that's cool. Don't buy it. I won't waste the money on a $1M super car, but I will on this. Walt came up with every possible way to make money out of his theme park and his whole business. He came up with some ideas for making money no one had thought of before. He would love this because it is a creative way to make money and people LIKE it.
JACKNAG
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I'm sorry but $220. for 3 cup cakes a piece max that's $18.00 A CUPCAKE for a less than optimal viewing spot could never be worth it.
I go to deluxes and know I am overpaying but it is Disney. Nothing can make me feel special enough to buy everyone in my family a $18.00 cupcake. Price goes up if everyone only buys 2 thats $27.00 each. And all the free Kool aide you can drink
I go to deluxes and know I am overpaying but it is Disney. Nothing can make me feel special enough to buy everyone in my family a $18.00 cupcake. Price goes up if everyone only buys 2 thats $27.00 each. And all the free Kool aide you can drink
pilferk
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Right. Then don't buy it.
But, again, those who think this is about "desserts", and not convenience, are not really "getting" what's being offered.
And that's fine. Nobody is forcing you to buy it. You can not see the value in that convenience offer. Fair enough.
peg110
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I agree that it's pricey and I for one probably would not spend the money. If I had the money to spare, however, I might consider it.
As has been said multiple times, however, if it's not for you, then don't buy it. It is apparently for others as it does seem to sell out. I feel the same way about the "Deluxe Dining Plan" I think it's a great plan and you won't go hungry, nor do you have to "Worry" about where you are going to eat, it's just more money then I want to spend. Someone else may be more than willing.
Value is all about an individual assessment. If you don't find value in it then you don't buy it. If you do find value, then you do buy it (or consider buying it). Just like the "Fireworks" and "Optimal Viewing." To me it all depends on what you consider "Optimal". If it's about the Fireworks themselves, then as someone else pointed out, You can see them from behind the castle just as well (if not better) then you can from in front of the castle. The fireworks are UP so it's easy. If however, your "Optimal Viewing" is about the choreography of the video projected on the castle with the synched music and fireworks, then maybe the back (or side) of the castle is not as good for you. It's all about perspective and preference (and your assessment of value.)
As has been said multiple times, however, if it's not for you, then don't buy it. It is apparently for others as it does seem to sell out. I feel the same way about the "Deluxe Dining Plan" I think it's a great plan and you won't go hungry, nor do you have to "Worry" about where you are going to eat, it's just more money then I want to spend. Someone else may be more than willing.
Value is all about an individual assessment. If you don't find value in it then you don't buy it. If you do find value, then you do buy it (or consider buying it). Just like the "Fireworks" and "Optimal Viewing." To me it all depends on what you consider "Optimal". If it's about the Fireworks themselves, then as someone else pointed out, You can see them from behind the castle just as well (if not better) then you can from in front of the castle. The fireworks are UP so it's easy. If however, your "Optimal Viewing" is about the choreography of the video projected on the castle with the synched music and fireworks, then maybe the back (or side) of the castle is not as good for you. It's all about perspective and preference (and your assessment of value.)
loveshak22
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Make it a donut sundae and I'm in...otherwise I think they are recycling from breakfast!
pilferk
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As opposed to spending $25 to $50 a night for upgraded theming in a Royal Room at port orleans? A room you will likely spend very little time in? And before you object.....doing so will pretty much make my point.
We all find value in different things. We all choose to spend our money in different ways. And i promise you,again, 90% of those booking this arent doing it for the cupcakes (or donuts).
Since its not a requirement for all party goers, and since its not taking away from any regular party goers experience...i'm not sure why anyone else would have any interest in another persons value calculation or how they choose to spend their money. But thats just me, i guess....
lockedoutlogic
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I can't figure out why so much energy is being spent on the stock "if you don't like it - don't buy it" excuses.
I don't think anyone doesn't understand/get that. But that doesnt mean you have to give pass to this trend.
For me...and it's just a hunch/opinion...I think that everyone of these that sells causes them to devote more thought/ energy/ resources into coming up with more. My premise tells me that you are hurting everyone - In a way - by following the "ok, how much...dd needs it!!!!" Tact. That's just a theory.
Other things can be done that could enhance the place...how about a new menu at coral reef?
Not something that would benefit everyone...but a hell of alot moe significant than cupcakes and nametags waving lightsaber with duct tape barriers.
I don't think anyone doesn't understand/get that. But that doesnt mean you have to give pass to this trend.
For me...and it's just a hunch/opinion...I think that everyone of these that sells causes them to devote more thought/ energy/ resources into coming up with more. My premise tells me that you are hurting everyone - In a way - by following the "ok, how much...dd needs it!!!!" Tact. That's just a theory.
Other things can be done that could enhance the place...how about a new menu at coral reef?
Not something that would benefit everyone...but a hell of alot moe significant than cupcakes and nametags waving lightsaber with duct tape barriers.
JACKNAG
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Your right and well said
I think I just get upset about Disney lowering their bar for things . (Little debbie doughnuts really, where are the cupcakes from the Main street bakery? )
And people including myself willing to pay for it still, Example: dinning plan no longer including tips an appetizers and lowering it by only $2.00 that same year, we still buy it.
Sorry if I offended anyone
pilferk
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There is a fundamental difference between talking about the pluses and minuses of the offering from a business perspective....and essentially calling those who have found value in it suckers, rubes, and marks.
The responses of the "don't like it, don't buy it" vein have been pretty squarely leveled at those intimating people buying this are somehow defective in their value calculations.
As for "hurting everyone"....we see eye to eye on a lot of stuff. Not this, it seems. It's not "hurting everyone" any more than the higher occupancy of the royal and pirate rooms do (which show disney can increase room rates for a pretty cheap room refurb). It is a product...and a popular one it seems.
Its a product that offers intangibles that folks find value in...well beyond the cupcakes and coffee. The worst thing i see, really, is that it gives them an idea of what a fast pass is really worth, monetarily. I suspect they generally know that already...but this likely reinforces that.
As for resources..l think they have the spare capacity in special events to dedicate to these. And those folks working on this would have zero to do with menus, for example. Not their department. And this..this is pretty much devoid of additional resource investment beyond "sunk costs". Its the dessert party they already hold, every night, using the fp+ parade viewing area, that would have gone unused, otherwise. In terms of creative resource investment, this tips the scale at pretty close to nil. And they're charging something less than $20 a person (because there is cheap costing swag and 6 pieces of candy factored into that amount somewhere) for the parade view.
I do agree..this is disney catering to a specific market again....offering increased convenience for more of their spare capacity/funds. For many folks, the value calculation is probably going to fall short. But not everyone.
I will also follow up with: I still have a wait and see on this. I want to hear reviews on the check in and herding process...because they are going to make or break the value of the whole offering, for me. I'm not optimistic....but i'm not entirely pessimistic, either.
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lockedoutlogic
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We disagree...I don't in anyway claim to be right...but we definitely disagree.
I know how the beast operates...particularly in Orlando.
If you give them free/easy money...and there's no debate that this is at a minimum "easy money"...then that is all the focus is going to be on.
They've proven that a million times over. They will beat it to the ends of the earth.
I know how the beast operates...particularly in Orlando.
If you give them free/easy money...and there's no debate that this is at a minimum "easy money"...then that is all the focus is going to be on.
They've proven that a million times over. They will beat it to the ends of the earth.
pilferk
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Yeah, i think thats a chicken and egg argument.
I think that would be their focus given business climate and consumer behavior (and not just at Disney) over the last 20+ years. I think when you are beholden to institutional investors, and want easy balance sheet increases....thats the type of thing you see. I don't think this one product is any better, or any worse, at demonstrating it. And i think it's a generally minor offender in terms of perpetuating the climate.
And i don't think blaming the consumer for doing what consumers generally do is a realistic solution, either. I place the onus of how they do business on Disney. But in the grand scheme of things, i find this one of their least eggregious offerings. Far less than, say, the vss offered last year. That took significant resources to create, logistically make happen, and took away from the regular party offerings that were promised.
This might be easy money, but..really...its an extension of something they've been offering for years now (now, as of july, with table cloths and lanterns and a price increase)and offer during the xmas party, too. Its not really "new". Its a new use for it..and a new revenue stream. The only difference is now you get a fp+ to watch the parade with it.
Its being presented differently but, really, thats what it is. Its literally the simplest (and probably first) idea you would come up with for an add on, as an executive. Partly becase its so easy to execute, partly because you have a pretty good idea what demand will be.
I guess the question is: do you find the dessert parties, as a whole, to be objectionable (i never have), or just this one, running during the halloween...and maybe xmas...parties)?
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Oathkeeper13
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Okay there are a lot of pages to get though on this post. I've seen a lot of arguments about weather or not the price is worth it. Has anyone been to a premium party in previous years? Where is this three cupcake rule coming from because I don't see it anywhere in the official material. Are there going to be special character meet and greets in the special closed off section? Because from the first post I can't find enough info to make a judgement on this one.
pilferk
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This is the first year they've done this, so a lot of answers are based on what we know. We will know more in a week or so when folks attend and get back to us.
1) there is no 3 cupcake rule. There is no rule about how much you can consume...its a buffet...other than when some of the offerings are gone, they are gone. Since the july revamp of the wishes dessert party, which, really, is what this is based on.....there have been fewer, if any, instances of disney running out, though.
2) no special character meet and greets that anyone has been made aware of. I doubt there will be any.
Fyi: from reports, all dates are already sold out. So that might make your decision for you. Definitely check! You never know, especially after the first reviews and reports come in or as folks get closer. There may be cancellations.
Oathkeeper13
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I can't afford to go to Disney now anyway. But, I am very interested for next year.
But in general I don't like to see people trashing an idea until they have gotten to see how well it works out. You know, unless it's Avatarland.
But in general I don't like to see people trashing an idea until they have gotten to see how well it works out. You know, unless it's Avatarland.
lockedoutlogic
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All these "parties" are the same...
It's desserts and a spot to look up. I fail to see why one has to "reserve judgement".
It is what it is.
It's desserts and a spot to look up. I fail to see why one has to "reserve judgement".
It is what it is.
lockedoutlogic
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I would say if either...it's closer to the latter. But honestly I don't necessarily find either "objectionable"...more that the consumers buy them repeatedly with no accountability to quality control or value.
They are most definitely more expensive for less quality...
As little
Debbie has proven. And no...you came use "inflation" to defend all price gouging.
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