Any other passholders annoyed at rumors of possible 60 day blackouts for new attactions?

[lockedoutlogic]

Sorry but no, you didn't see that and are misrepresenting my earlier post (rumors board...attendance/performance.)

MSEP is a brilliant move to increase local AP visits at DL. And they'll market to them when the river attractions reopen. And again when F! goes live. That'll be a really big deal, DL'ers looooove their F!. I wouldn't be surprised if they did AP showings.

I could have gone on in that post about other ways DL will market to AP's (the 100's of thousands that live in SoCal), but I didn't since it didn't seem neccessary to draw the point out further. The point of the post being about DL's inherent flexibility to market smaller stuff to get the AP's in more frequently, in order to weather attendance declines until new stuff opens. Such as AP days going on this month, there will be more, count on it. Blah, blah, blah....the point is that DL can capture loads of visits with relatively minimal efforts. It's a drive over after work, not a vacation. Money is still spent in the parks, everyone's happy.

And no, MSEP isn't enough to get us Califonians into DL at $450 a room, $125 a day, $1050 a year. It would take a lot more than that. That's cause most of us don't stay in the hotel most of our visits, certainly not for a week. Most of us still don't have the $1,000+ passes, even though those numbers have climbed. And while plenty of locals do visit DL as day guests, that's not what was being discussed. MSEP though IS enough to get lots of us excited to drive in more frequently. As is F!. And for true locals (which I'm not), even the river.

As to the topic of this thread though, I'm not worried at all about this happening at DL. I mean, who would be in the parks if they added 2 months to the blackouts? If this doesn't happen at either park though, please be sure to thank California

Sorry to paraphrase you and lose the "spirit" of it...

But recently planning a Disneyland trip...it becomes quickly apparent that everyone is on the price bandwagon pretty much hook line and sinker.

And I hold Disneylanders in much higher esteemed than swampers...so that pains me. I usually write the decenting opinion for the east coast segment...the one that counters "it's worth it to ME...because it's so magical"

...Yeah...that...

 

[grnflash]

Sorry to paraphrase you and lose the "spirit" of it...

But recently planning a Disneyland trip...it becomes quickly apparent that everyone is on the price bandwagon pretty much hook line and sinker.

And I hold Disneylanders in much higher esteemed than swampers...so that pains me. I usually write the decenting opinion for the east coast segment...the one that counters "it's worth it to ME...because it's so magical"

...Yeah...that...

It's all good. And I get where you're coming from. Truly. And I hope your DL trip is a success.

 

[newdeal]

They don't believe that...while they've probably calculated that some will go that route...they feel the majority will swallow it and push their outlay to Disney up that year and every following.

They know their adversary well. And remember: it's all about "premium", "luxury", and "exclusive" now...
...after all, you can make reservations for space mountain...and not stand in line with the peasants

I bought DVC and feel a bit trapped now because of their changes to the perks for resale members if I sold it and rebought I would lose my perks. That said we will still go to Disney once per year and use our DVC points, and buy tickets when we go. But we used to go three times a year, with annual passes, some trips on DVC and some during free dining. They priced us out of that habit though.

 

[DebbieB]

I bought DVC and feel a bit trapped now because of their changes to the perks for resale members if I sold it and rebought I would lose my perks. That said we will still go to Disney once per year and use our DVC points, and buy tickets when we go. But we used to go three times a year, with annual passes, some trips on DVC and some during free dining. They priced us out of that habit though.

You should rent your points if you don't go. That way you retain the benefits.

 

[LadyD]

Sorry to paraphrase you and lose the "spirit" of it...

But recently planning a Disneyland trip...it becomes quickly apparent that everyone is on the price bandwagon pretty much hook line and sinker.

And I hold Disneylanders in much higher esteemed than swampers...so that pains me. I usually write the decenting opinion for the east coast segment...the one that counters "it's worth it to ME...because it's so magical"

...Yeah...that...

The California parks are an interesting beast. As a DL AP holder, I am definitely not thrilled with a lot of the decisions that have come down the past several years, but it hasn't stopped me from buying in at this point since it has not significantly impacted my overall guest experience yet. However, I do foresee quite a few changes coming down in the next several years that may very well make or break my DL resort relationship, and I think a lot of DL AP holders are in that boat.

DL has historically been a locals park, but they are clearly trying to push away from that to an extent and grab more profits from people staying on property as a destination vacation. With regard to the new attraction blackout date possibility, if anything at all is implemented, I do believe whatever happens in FL and whatever happens in CA will ultimately look different to cater to the differing guest base.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

You should rent your points if you don't go. That way you retain the benefits.

If that continues to be the trend...which it definitely seems to have picked up...they will eliminate that too...

DVC renting takes those away that could buy rack...or
Better yet buy DVC for themselves

 

[bigalpf1]

the only thing they accomplished with their stupid blackouts is to take a DVC family who routinely bought annual passes here, and turn them into ones who do not anymore

I would reconsider flying as opposed to driving,not getting AP ,eating offsite ,visiting and staying at other parks and getting rid of myDVC

 

[bigalpf1]

You won't get it and they don't care.

Here's the reality: they don't get the ancillary spending per gate entry from AP holders that they do from the one timers (which includes the "only 681 days till we're in the World again!!" Signature folks...sorry)...and they have now decided that they aren't gonna tolerate it anymore.

So what do they do? Increase passes dramatically...then limit access to try and force more costly purchases.

Here's the part where you blame California...they held the line on DCA and caused Disney to do something substantial...but then swallowed huge price increase after and won't stay away.

I saw somebody the other day talking about the electrical parade being "enough of a draw" to ride out until Star Wars opens...with exclusive merchandise...

Really? The electrical parade?

Enough for $450 hotel rooms and $125 tickets and $1050 annual passes?

That's all it takes.

The CEO continues to look for ways to boost stock price so he can bail out...and the park patrons are getting abused...but they find reasons to line up for more. Have to break the circle.

Also forgot to say goodbye Disney Stock

 

[shh]

And now that you mention it, what about stockholders? In the cruise industry, the big players like RCI and Carnival Corp all offer incentives for stockholders - not much - just a little onboard credit. But it's a nice little thank you for those who have it (I don't.) But disney has never offered a thing to stockholders. Yes the stock grew, but so did all the cruise stocks. Still wouldn't hurt to offer a little gesture if your "owners" visit the parks - even a few FPs that cost nothing.

 

[bigalpf1]

And now that you mention it, what about stockholders? In the cruise industry, the big players like RCI and Carnival Corp all offer incentives for stockholders - not much - just a little onboard credit. But it's a nice little thank you for those who have it (I don't.) But disney has never offered a thing to stockholders. Yes the stock grew, but so did all the cruise stocks. Still wouldn't hurt to offer a little gesture if your "owners" visit the parks - even a few FPs that cost nothing.

Yes and they are making the food prices so high and raising the price of TIW that it seems they are trying to push DDP on us.Guess what lots of good offsite restaraunts

 

[Dean Marino]

Yes and they are making the food prices so high and raising the price of TIW that it seems they are trying to push DDP on us.Guess what lots of good offsite restaraunts

...and CABS . Keep it up - Bull&Bear, here we come .

 

[lockedoutlogic]

Yes and they are making the food prices so high and raising the price of TIW that it seems they are trying to push DDP on us.Guess what lots of good offsite restaraunts

That was what was going to happen with the dining plan since day one.

It's not even a good deal anymore...but as long as you "pre-pay" for it...you blow more loot when you get there...that was the point.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

I am just curious if I am the only one out there who feels like Disney doesn't give a crap about their most loyal customer base, the APs!? We already get the short end of the stick on so many things, but they keep raising the prices and taking away benefits. Sorry....I love Disney A LOT....but they are starting to grate on my last nerve with this stuff. Anyone else have these feelings?

1) Then, WHY buy an annual pass?
2) AP-Holders already get park access for a specific time period.
3) A non-delay on new attractions was never a promise.
4) They want people to spend NEW money to pay-back the price of the new ride.
5) They already have your money.
6) So, this does make sense.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

1) Then, WHY buy an annual pass?
2) AP-Holders already get park access for a specific time period.
3) A non-delay on new attractions was never a promise.
4) They want people to spend NEW money to pay-back the price of the new ride.
5) They already have your money.
6) So, this does make sense.

Going to the "you were never promised anything" is a little low rent coming from you...

You know better...you know the greed...you know how far they've pushed it...and you know how dangerous it is to push your most loyal and overall highest spenders...the "per day" figure is not to be trusted and that is a fact.

Don't poke the bear. Restrictions on annual passes for "new" things would represent a Waterloo for me...I can't be alone...and frankly that's a lot of money spent now and the future to lose.

 

[cmash95]

its actually simple. Just open the attraction during the blackout period and that will take care of things.

 

[TheRustyScupper]

Restrictions on annual passes for "new" things would represent a Waterloo for me...I can't be alone...and frankly that's a lot of money spent now and the future to lose.

1) I full agree.
2) Unfortunately, there is nothing in the Annual Pass Holder Agreement that forbids this.

 

[lockedoutlogic]

1) I full agree.
2) Unfortunately, there is nothing in the Annual Pass Holder Agreement that forbids this.

Sounds a lot like "I'm just following orders"

...I'll assume you've been hacked and a low IQ Disney drone is using your signon

 

[mello]

Actually, unless you're staying onsite and can book your FPs at 60 days out, you're effectively blocked out of new rides anyway - often for much longer than 60 days. AP's not staying onsite can book FP's 30 days out, which means most locals with FP's, unless staying onsite, have not yet had the opportunity to get FPs for the new "Frohstrom" at all (not that I care all that much), or even 7DMT very often - I think I've seen FP availability for that once or twice in the last couple years. We've been able to get FPs for Soarin' around a week or so out, but that's because of the increased capacity. I don't think they care too much about hurting locals' feelings. The people who would are really hurt most by all their tampering with AP's will be DVCers and other regular travelers who buy APs for once or twice a year extended trips. IMHO they might want to think twice before alienating that group too much, as that group not only spends a lot, but is probably some of their best free advertising, and it's likely their bread and butter during downturns. But what do I know?

 

[TheRustyScupper]

Sounds a lot like "I'm just following orders"
...I'll assume you've been hacked and a low IQ Disney drone is using your signon

1) New rides are designed to attract new customers (aka, "guests").
2) Why try to attract pass holders, when they already paid and WDW has their money.
3) Besides
. . . pass holders don't buy A LOT of souvenirs each-and-every visit
. . . new guests typically buy A LOT of souvenirs during their visit
4) If you were Ogre (oops, Iger) would you prefer
. . . new guests that spend a lot above admission prices, or
. . . pass holders who spend little on extras every visit, and who you already have their admission cash

 

[lockedoutlogic]

1) New rides are designed to attract new customers (aka, "guests").
2) Why try to attract pass holders, when they already paid and WDW has their money.
3) Besides
. . . pass holders don't buy A LOT of souvenirs each-and-every visit
. . . new guests typically buy A LOT of souvenirs during their visit
4) If you were Ogre (oops, Iger) would you prefer
. . . new guests that spend a lot above admission prices, or
. . . pass holders who spend little on extras every visit, and who you already have their admission cash

1. You do a good job of telling the "tale of the tape"
2. We all know the "tale of the tape"
3. I'm not yet ready to shrug my shoulders and say "eh...it's a business...what time is wishes?"
4. I don't even disagree with a thing you said...just disappointed that your saying the company line...even if sardonically